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At one point are you hoarding?
For instance if I shoot a lot and have 10K rounds but it only lasts me 6 months I would say I am not hoarding. However if I never shoot and have 1K rounds I would question if that is hoarding.
Personally I keep about 500 to 1000 rounds of 9MM and about ten times that in .22LR. Everything else I have is nice to have but I do not really worry about it. At what point are you hoarding ammo?
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"hoarding: to accumulate money, food, or the like, in a hidden or carefully guarded place for preservation, future use, etc. "
I think "excessive hoarding" is when you stop shooting and you take many times (3 or 4) more than your normal usage out of the open supply and then continue to seek more.
If you normally burn thru a 1000 rounds a month and you buy ammo half a year's at a time holding 6000 or even 12000 rounds would not be hoarding. But to stop shooting and keep buying would be.
If you shoot 3 or 4 thousand rounds a month I doubt you are buying retail ammo.
I am lucky to shoot 100 to 400 rounds month mostly 22's, I would like to shoot more but $ is tight. My baseline is 50 target rounds & 25 defense rounds for each firearm. I buy 22 LR by the brick and when I get low I look for the best buy for another brick. 9mm, .38 SP and .357 I try to replace as I shoot. Holding the best part of a brick of 22's and less than 100 rounds of each of the others is my flush point.
I think it is important to try to keep normal pattern of usage, if possible. I restrict my shooting if I can not replace expended rounds.
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I really wish I had hoarded when 22 bulk packs of 550 rounds were $9.50!
The Federal 550 bulk packs I got this morning were $21.77 at wal-nuts.
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What is the difference between hoarding and strategic planning? To become aware of a potential problem and not take steps to provide a successful outcome is to ignore the the most basic tenant learned as a boy scout.
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I think the unusual buy and non-use of ammo is the issue. If you normally buy and use ten thousand rounds a month and can not buy because several someones have started to buy everything they can but don't shoot but hold.
I am hoping the bare shelves are caused by increased demand not restricted supply. The supply chain will pick up to keep pace with demand as long as there is manufacturing capapcity. Or so the theory goes.
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Isn't this whole deal with .22 ammo hoarding down right asinine. For protection (strategic planning)? A 22 might be a bit better than a sling shot - better because of the 'automatic' ability of a pistol or rifle but to believe that a 22, even a clip full, is going to stop someone coming after you is dreaming. A very cheap bullet proof vest will stop - not only stop but make the wearer feel invincible after feeling no effect from being shot - with a 22. This attacker then has the intent to act out his invincibility and probably kill you - if he didn't have that intent at the start. You're better off with a bag of fist sized rocks than a 22 - problem with the rocks is they can be thrown back! A 38 - 40 - or 45 is protection...not a plinking 22.
Seems right now everything is out of stock everywhere....and how long has this been going on? Long enough for manufacturers to step up production - but they haven't and it actually appears that there is even less supply of all ammunition. As was said: a poor farm boy trying to protect his chickens from a raccoon is SOL.
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Isn't this whole deal with .22 ammo hoarding down right asinine. For protection (strategic planning)? A 22 might be a bit better than a sling shot - better because of the 'automatic' ability of a pistol or rifle but to believe that a 22, even a clip full, is going to stop someone coming after you is dreaming. A very cheap bullet proof vest will stop - not only stop but make the wearer feel invincible after feeling no effect from being shot - with a 22. This attacker then has the intent to act out his invincibility and probably kill you - if he didn't have that intent at the start. You're better off with a bag of fist sized rocks than a 22 - problem with the rocks is they can be thrown back! A 38 - 40 - or 45 is protection...not a plinking 22.
Seems right now everything is out of stock everywhere....and how long has this been going on? Long enough for manufacturers to step up production - but they haven't and it actually appears that there is even less supply of all ammunition. As was said: a poor farm boy trying to protect his chickens from a raccoon is SOL.
A .22LR will take down most game animals for food (likely a more important consideration than defense for most situations). It is also acceptable for defense if not great. A few thousand rounds of .22LR ammo takes up a lot less space than a few thousand rounds of other ammo.
Hence why I keep a good supply of 9MM and a better supply of .22LR.
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A lot of people have been stopped by a .22. Your reply is irresponsible, at best.
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.22's have been used to dispatch livestock for slaughter for decades. They are also an advantage in subsonic form for silenced weapons due to the low mechanical noise of slight recoil cycling.
Likelihood of facing body armor on an intruder is historically low. Regular practice on a standard silhouette target, should prepare a defensive shooter to immediately move aim up for head/neck shots if center of mass does not slow BG's advance. Average gun engagements are rated at 7 yards... 7 strides to close the distance to point blank.
"Aim with care... and take care to aim." ~~~ Kit Carson (verification needed)
"Take your time... and hurry!" ~~~ Wyatt Earp
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Guilty as charged, I bought 9 cases while I could...
2 cases of 22 Long Rifle
1 case of 22 Short (high velocity)
2 cases of 22 Magnum
2 cases of thuty-thuty
1 case of 243
1 case of 12 gauge 00 Buckshot
shot placement is what's critical, I like to practice.
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WAC,
If you shoot with any degree of regularity, you use ammunition, perhaps a fair amount. If you see a possible impediment to your ability to acquire ammunition in the future you plan ahead and purchase additional amounts sufficient to meet your future needs. That is not hoarding, it is common sense. If you were never a boy scout, you can be excused for not knowing the motto.
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Wac
Wearing a vest if you break into my house will not save you from my 22. Two might if you wear one over your head also, unless you have eye holes cut out that I can see. Also do they make bullet proof shorts?
Seem like I read that 22s kill more people than all the rest of the calibers put together.
I have always figured ten 22s in the forehead was much better than one 44 in the wall.
The ten bullet thing doesn't count when all I have on hand is a mini. Should be able to rack up 7 or 8 hits with 2 minis if need be.
On hoarding, just got back from unhoarding 300 shells in 22.
Helps keep me confident that life is good when I have a 22 in hand.
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'FAILURE DRILL!" In the right hands a point two two can be deadly.
By some's definition I would classify as a hoarder. I wait until a good deal comes along and then buy by the thousands. Sometimes I shoot it sometimes I don't but my stash is always there to supply my ammunition needs. It is safe to say I have not been buying much lately though due to the lack of good deals these days.
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Posted by: WAC« on: Today at 04:21:55 PM » Isn't this whole deal with .22 ammo hoarding down right asinine. For protection (strategic planning)? A 22 might be a bit better than a sling shot - better because of the 'automatic' ability of a pistol or rifle but to believe that a 22, even a clip full, is going to stop someone coming after you is dreaming.
The 22 LR is not my first choice for defense, but I have killed deer with it, and as CavScout noted, it is what we used to kill cattle back on the farm. I figure that most guys will not like being shot, even with a 22 LR, and cease and desist. The enemy I prepare against is a thug. If it is a drug crazed maniac coming at me then I am out of luck.
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Isn't this whole deal with .22 ammo hoarding down right asinine. For protection (strategic planning)? A 22 might be a bit better than a sling shot - better because of the 'automatic' ability of a pistol or rifle but to believe that a 22, even a clip full, is going to stop someone coming after you is dreaming. A very cheap bullet proof vest will stop - not only stop but make the wearer feel invincible after feeling no effect from being shot - with a 22. This attacker then has the intent to act out his invincibility and probably kill you - if he didn't have that intent at the start. You're better off with a bag of fist sized rocks than a 22 - problem with the rocks is they can be thrown back! A 38 - 40 - or 45 is protection...not a plinking 22.
Seems right now everything is out of stock everywhere....and how long has this been going on? Long enough for manufacturers to step up production - but they haven't and it actually appears that there is even less supply of all ammunition. As was said: a poor farm boy trying to protect his chickens from a raccoon is SOL.
one of the sillier posts i have read on this site (except for black cat of course). I have to wonder why you are here since its primarily a .22 site and almost exclusive to small caliber overall.
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If the world suddenly turns sour lets all go over to boone's place and hold up for the duration :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) all of us . Bring beer .
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"If the world suddenly turns sour lets all go over to boone's place and hold up for the duration." OV-D1
We all nominate you to be the one to knock on his door. ;)
I just squeaked in an order for 1100 rounds of .44 Mag cowboy ammo. That might sound like a lot of ammo to a non-shooter, but at a rate of 100 rounds per match (50 in single-action revolvers, 50 in a lever-action rifle) and 3 area matches per month starting in April, that will get me about half-way through the season if I attend most of the matches and don't practice.
Is there a statute of limitations on hoarding? I've got a few boxes of .22s I bought in the 80's and stashed in the back of the closet, including a carton of CCI Stingers. I also have a box of .38 Special Speer shot shells (my Mom moved to rural Arkansas and there were poisonous snakes in the area).
I think stocking up when supplies are plentiful, even for long-term storage in "prepper"-quantities isn't hoarding. When supplies are tight and you buy the shelves clean, that's either hoarding - if you hang on to them - or, profiteering - if you turn around and sell them for a markup once you are the only local source for buyers to turn to.
Mel Tappan, in his classic 1992 book "Survival Guns" recommended stocking up on .22LR ammunition for use in bartering for goods, in addition to owning a generous shooting stockpile of the ammo. I think that may be in the back of the minds of more than at few purchasers.
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When it come to having a stash of ammo saved up, I perfer to call it "being ready"
Hoarding might be if you save all the empty shell boxes...
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I think the term hoarding, as it refers to an affliction, is collecting "stuff" that has no intended immediate need... and typically remains "stored" without use "just in case".
The term hoarding also applies to accumulating needed supplies, when abundant, for later consumption... usually at a surplus amount to assure the supply outlasts the need. Example, ants and squirrels.
I'll leave it up to each of you "hoarders" to decide which shoe fits! :P
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one of the sillier posts i have read on this site (except for black cat of course). I have to wonder why you are here since its primarily a .22 site and almost exclusive to small caliber overall.
Now there's a silly post - pertains to no topic just a slam since heyjoe has nothing to say - really. And 'irresponsible' post? Boy that's a big word there pal.
Some of you don't get this concept of a forum or 'discussion board'. If the topic doesn't quite fit within your tunnel vision you revert to calling names and actually calling someone out for the post. Some know but the children here ruin the forum and argue all the time. This forum is no fun - too many harsh words over what should be a friendly discussion of an opinion - opinions change - sometimes during a discussion.... Y'all fight among each-other....
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actually you are the one pouting about his post being correctly evaluated as being ridiculous. you say you are better off throwing rocks than using a .22 as self protection and you wonder why you are being laughed at? now you are taking your ball and bat and going home. better go to the 50 caliber and up forum where the real men are.
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I used to question the value of a .22LR for awhile too. Then I did an experiment while hiking. I carried 1000 rounds of .22 ammunition and barely noticed it. Try that with a .270 or other "real" rifle. To me .22MAG may be one of the great compromises in this regard by the 10-22 in 22 MAG (whatever it was called) is expensive and I have not found any other .22 MAG rifles that I really really like as survival guns. I do have one of those take-down .22 that pack into the stock but I prefer the Ruger 10/22. I know I am not going to antagonize anyone holding one.
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Hay 446 ruger just came out with a 10/22takedown of there own not sure if they did a mag verstion of .ot but you could look in to that
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ok i have to way in here. i thought my fellow wisconsinites where amuned to the ammo hoarding. alass i was wrong. i stopped into my local fleet farm to buy some 22 mags for my new wasp. i just about fell over in lease then a week they went from overflowing shelves. to only having 6 boxes of 22 shorts. if walmart is out i will be at a loss because most of the online ammo stores are back ordered with no idea to when they would get any.
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Today I stopped in at a little podunk hardware store in a podunk town, and found their untouched stock of slightly overpriced ammo leftover from hunting season. Then the cashier told me they had .22's on sale! I got a brick of Rem. Thunderbolts for under $20, when other suppliers are limiting their overpriced stuff to 4 boxes per customer. They carry mostly hunting rifle ammo, but I'm sure they will be bare (or WAY overpriced) soon. I also just bought a Rossi .22/410 yesterday at a nice price ($179, 2 barrels) giving me a great plinking/small game backpacking rifle for the impending apocalypse.
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Nice find. I have not had much luck locating any overlooked and decently priced ammo lately.
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I'm going to start stopping in at the little country quick shops that I remember having the odd shelf of ammo. The dusty boxes I saw over the last couple years suddenly are now the better priced and sought after rounds not available anywhere else. It's kinda nice to know that the price gouging of other places doesn't reach to Littletown Realamerica. Makes me feel a little better about the $28 box of rifle primers I just paid $60 for.
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I bought a brick of Aquila sub sonic .22 lr from Cheaper than Dirt a few weekscago for $25 o so, plus shipping. I checked again tonight and the same ammo is $36 and the Aquila 950 fps is $75.
When or if the prices come back to earth, I will stock up, but will remember whose prices were out of line.
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Geez! I have a brick of American Eagle .22 lr that I paid $12.99 for a while back. I shoot allot of it through a Browning lever action. Looks like I'll be hanging on to it until availability goes up and price comes down. Got several boxes of CCI stinger, Maxi mags, and shot shells. Been on a ton of web sites and all of them have the same answer...out of stock no idea on restock.
SUCKS! Do you shooters think it's more govt. buying or citizen hoarding? How about some guesses on when things may ease up?
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When or if the prices come back to earth, I will stock up, but will remember whose prices were out of line.
I agree with this. Right now I am slowly working my way through what I have and picking it up locally when I see it. That being said I am not spending a lot of money on ammo and will need to stock up when supplied become available again. Those sources that have gouged on prices now will not get my business simply by being a dollar cheaper then others when the supplies come back.
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When things do ease up, makes me wonder IF the price of ammo will go back down to the high price it was before all of this. :)
It may go down some, but I bet the price will say up for a LONG time.
You could always reload center fire ammo and help out some, but .22's are out of sight. I used to buy L.R. ammo for .50 cents a box. Peters I believe.
For 2 or 3 dollars, we would walk down the railroad tracks, stay out all day and have a pinking good time.
I still have some .22's that I paid .98cents for.
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Times like these I'm kinda glad to live in suburbia where shooting freely isn't an option besides it saves allot of ammo and I hate cleaning my guns ............. now fondling them is a different story .
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A fondling session can save a lot of money in ammo costs! Especially nowadays. ;D
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I was just thinking about the "hoarding" of ammo. There is 1000 rounds of LR ammo in my truck along with the LR cylinder for my Mini. Hate to ever not have enough.
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This ammo stuff is just like the oil shortage, artificially induced. Some shooters without a doubt are hoarding but most of us just can't spend 100s of dollars every day or week on a hobby/passtime/love or whatever. For the next five years no matter what happens with the gun laws the retailers are all going to cry "manufacturing shortfall" and keep prices up. $50.00 will buy an hour's plinking instead of a month's.
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I think it's only hoarding when you are either buying it for the sake of it, buy it to sell at a profit, or already have more than you could ever likely use. I keep ammo stocks based on what I am most likely to need if an emergency arose and ammo was not available - a bit like now really :) well not quite we still have food and the civil unrest is still under control. Therefore it's legitimate to have several thousand rounds of certain calibers for defense and providing food regardless of how many rounds you shoot on a regular basis.
Regarding 22 for defense, from a rifle and at a distance where you are keeping people at bay rather than close up combat, it could be very effective. At 100 yds a round between the eyes will kill someone as dead as anything else, so if nothing else you could preserve ammo for bigger calibers until people start getting up closer. The lower noise may also have some tactical advantages.We shouldn't forget that an NAA sized revolver has the ability to kill, but the same ammo coming from a 20" rifle barrel is in another league all together in terms of velocity and vastly better real world accuracy to ensure suitable placement.
Looking at the killing power of small calibers, I was watching a real life crime show last night where 4 people were murdered in the same incident. One was a woman the other 3 comprised of 2 good sized high school football players and another good sized former player and older brother. The murder weapon was in 25 acp which gives about the same performance that 22 mag has when fired from a small handgun. So while I would not rush to my gun cabinet and then out into the street with a 22, given some other options, it's ridiculous to imply "it's a bit better than nothing". If nothing else you have to take into the account the effect the idea of getting shot has on any would be attacker, who would certainly go to the homes of non gun owning liberals for whatever they want, before chancing their arm against a 22. Who knows order may then be restored before you ever need to find out how well your 22 will work in anger.
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I agree and do not forget that in combat the effect being sought is to take the opponent out of the fight not necessarily kill him so a .22 at 100 yards is very likely to stop the enemy from coming forward aka take him out of the fight. Same thing applies at closer ranges just not to the same effect.
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Just got back from Gander Mountain in West Palm Beach ,Fl. Well everybody must be buying 22 ammo direct anymore they had 8 boxes of 22 shorts thats it . Every sort of other ammo was everywhere with 12 gauge being in crates and everywhere also . They had plenty of 17 hmr , 22 hornet . Quite incrediable that 22 lr & 22mags are completely gone and they had limilts of how many any single person can buy from the 22 shelves any given day . THIS IS VERY STUPID THING THATS GOING ON ,what a joke on us . By the way 45 cal was extra plentiful in auto and rimmed and all prices were pretty compatable with only a maybe 15 % markup from usual if that much .. I could buy a new car and a half with what ammo I've saved over the years with these shortages .
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I agree and do not forget that in combat the effect being sought is to take the opponent out of the fight not necessarily kill him so a .22 at 100 yards is very likely to stop the enemy from coming forward aka take him out of the fight. Same thing applies at closer ranges just not to the same effect.
here is how I evaluate my cartridges effective ranges from a rifle barrel.
25 yards =.22 Short (high Velocity)
50 yards = .22 long rifle and 12 gauge buckshot
100 yards = .22 Magnum
200 yards = .30-30
300 yards = .243
note, the .22 caliber is for small game one shot kill, and the slightly larger .243 is a long range big game one shot kill.
so, the lesser cartridge will in fact perform within its limitations. shot placement is the most critical factor at any distance or caliber.
true, wounding shots involving a group of assailants has moral and logistical advantages, though nothing is more demoralizing than a one shot kill.
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Went into a local reloading supply with a buddy and found a single box of .22 long rifle for $3.95. It was his last box and he had no idea when he would get more.
Of course, I took it. 8)
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i was following an auction today on gunbroker for a lightweight baby browning. i checked out the highest bidder and saw that in another auction, he had just bid and paid $89 for 550 lr rounds. I didnt bother to check back after that.
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A friend just bought some LR from a local fellow. That fellow has a business model of watching internet sites for ammo to become available, and buying as much as he can as fast as he can in order to sell it himself. I am guessing that people like that have a lot to do with the ammo shortage. At some point the market should be flooded with enough ammo that there is no longer much profit in that business model. When that happens, probably a lot of of folks like me who used to buy ammo as they needed it will start building stockpiles of a few thousand rounds, just in case this happens again. That may well prolong the shortage again.
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this hoarding thing is getting out of control. i drove from my home in green bay to miliwakee and back all i could find for ammo in 22 cal. was bird shot. but the shelves still had .17 hmr ammo though. i found one store on a rundown part of town here in green bay who had 5 boxes of magnum round left. 4 where winchester home defense rounds each box was $16.00 a box the last box was a box of remington magnum round he wanted $14.99. really people?????? you can buy .30-.30 rounds for that price.
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To hoard, or not to hoard. Went out to the country today, as it was a beautiful winter day, and ran 300 rounds through a 3rd model Colt Woodsman. Shooting them was way more fun than saving them. Another trade off in this life that was a good time...
Some of you may remember today for the rest of your life, as the day spent watching your hoard of ammo, or looking for some.
Not me! Life is good...
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I was looking for .22 LR ammo to sell in my shop. I found a site where I could buy 120 boxes, and selected it. While doing the math, I figured I would be just slightly ahead of break even, but, it would give me an edge against all the other gunshops in the area. I had decided to go ahead and make the purchase, and started checking out. The shipping was $78!! That would have added $.65 per box just for the shipping charges!!!!
Not "No", but HECK NO!
The next time you are tempted to accuse your LGS of price gouging, stop and consider what the owner may have had to pay to get the item.
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Shipping charges for just about everything is a compleat disgrace . Thats never going to get any better , we just might as well get use to that .
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All I can get within a reasonable drive is .22 short CB caps (no powder.) I guess it's better than nothing, at least I can still plink my .22 short frame.
A local gun show was scalping the 525 round boxes for $100, the "normal people" weren't buying. Some rich guy walked up and bought 4. I was in shock and disbelief that he fed the scalpers.
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Cheaper than Dirt has Aquila CB caps a 500 round brick for $3.92 plus $11.xx for shipping. Just ordered and it went through. Will be interesting to see what they ship.I printed my orde and it says 500 rounds.
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Going to a gun show next Saturday. Can't wait to see if they have ammo, and if so the price that there asking for it. ;D
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Hopefully not an hour and a half wait just to get through the front door. With that kind of wait makes going to a gun show almost like going to work.
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TomL, let us know how your misprint price 50 round box price for 500-brick went through. I could use a couple thousand CBs.
Side note: Aguila Super Colibri fits in the NAA .22 short mini if you nip the tip off with a utility knife. There is no chamber pressure to speak of, this is like the OPPOSITE of hot rodding. Cold-rodding? Is there such a thing? (Yeah, man... it gets 50 horsepower LESS and I managed to add 6 seconds to the quarter mile on THIS baby. Jealous? :o)
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Jayne, maybe that "rich" guy at the gun show was not rich at all but perhaps needed the .22lr instead of just wanting it, and so paid the going price. What if he had already scheduled an Appleseed weekend for his family, or had the grandkids visiting and wanting Grandpa to teach them? Sometimes it's better to overpay rather than postpone something important or miss out on precious memories. Just saying we don't always know the reasons people do what they do.
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Talking with my wife today, going to attend another appleseed end of March, told her I've still got some ammo that cost around a penny each, love to shoot, no reason not to go.
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Okay, bleak and hardtack. I feel bad now, you're probably right. I am the last person who would deprive boy scouts from their merit badge, or even the girl scouts (if they did such a thing.) In fact, anyone at all who wanted to practice the sport of target shooting should be permitted to do so.
I realize now that even our future Olympics are being hurt by this. :(
Who the heck is buying out all of the .22 everywhere? They must have a mountain range of it by now. Maybe we should get them a gun in another caliber? What's a caliber that nobody likes? :D
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2GJ that's twogunjayne, funny that you should mention Scouts, I just returned from an Arrow of Light ceremony to usher three Cub Scouts into Boy Scouts, which is where I learned the rules of shooting. Spoke to a professor, who's husband is also a teacher,that was going to start homeschooling thier two teenage children because she is unhappy with the direction that the public education system is going.
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Gunshop in town has 22s on the shelf, they are avaiable IF you buy a 22 firearm. No firearm no ammo. Times are changing, they used to give 50 rounds with a purchase now you need to buy a gun to be allowed to purchase rounds at 225% increase from Dec2012.
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Woe unto the watchman if he cryeth not when he sees the evil approaching. I started buying 22 to store in 2007 when it was less than $6 per 550. Thank God. There is a storm coming be prepared.
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I have been trying to figure out how they can teach students about the second amendment if the gun word, and pictures are such a bad thing.
If not for some of those crappy kill em all, TV shows, some kids might not ever know what a gun looked like.
Old lady obama thinks all guns are all automatic. Would serve her right if somebody locked her in a gun store all night with the lights off, and real sound effects. Might make her hair curl.
I think if I could name one of my kids today, I would name him GUN. Every time the teacher called his name, everybody would duck.
Then again, with all the gun-free zones, he could be barred from school.
Here I am, thinking in print again.
More on hoarding, I still shoot faster than I can hoard.
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As expected, Cheaper than Dirt took my money and sent a singe 50 round box. After emailing them, the sales rep said I should have known better.
That really set me off so I sent him a scan of the original add and my order form, both specifying a 500 round quantity.
I told him that I don‘t make the pricing decisions for CTD and if they want to have a loss leader, that's OK by me.
I want either a full refund or the other 9 boxes.
If not, I'm done with them and will find a bottom feeding lawyer to get me compensated for my pain and suffering.
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I check Wal-mart almost every day and a couple of nights ago they had a case of Winchester bulk packs still on the cart.
Got my share. They shoot good!!! Made some awesome long shots. Missed some to. Was a good day...
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Precious metals wasted or invested??? Went shooting today Wasted 30-40 rounds throughRuger Charger( no optics point shooting at 25 yds ) Ruger 10/22 Take down (no sling stud and am removing optics to put on Charger ) Invested Beretta 21 stills groups tighter than I can HOLD 4 NAA mini's at ten feet still not able to put all on playing cards at ten feet shooting fast. Once I can consistantly do that, I'll start incresing the distance. forgot how fun it is to shoot the 4 inch mini master lg grips and real sights. Going to start having a plan before I get to the range
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Here is the original description for the 500 round brick I ordered. This comes up from the actual order I placed when you click on the item number.
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It does list a 500 round brick for sale so they cannot say it was a simple typo.
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Here is what they are offering. I am inclined to take it and then discontinue business with them. There are too many places to spend my money that won't lie to me.
I have refunded your shipping.
Chris Brown
Cheaper Than Dirt, Inc.
2524 NE Loop 820
Fort Worth, TX 76106
Phone 817-378-5100 Ext. 158
www.CheaperThanDirt.com
From: Tom Logan [
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 5:12 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Fw: RE: Order 11560798
Chris -
As I mentioned, attached please find my original order as well as the description showing this was a brick, not a single box.
I expect Cheaper than Dirt to either send the other 9 boxes or refund the entire amount, including shipping. I would never buy a product in which the shipping cost was three times the purchase cost.
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From: Tom Logan <t
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Order 11560798
Chris
If you check the order and the item you will see the add was for a brick. I will email you a copy when I return home later this week.
I only want what I ordered or a refund. If a refund, I will return the single box.
I never question deals from internet sites that are loss leaders. Since I am a current customer, I never expected a hassle or I would not have ordered.
If the order had been checked and an email sent about a mistake in pricing, I would have cancelled with no problem.
Since the order was accepted and processed, you have a moral and legal obligation to make it right.
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From: Chris Brown <[email protected]>;
To: Tom Logan
Subject: RE: Order 11560798
Sent: Tue, Mar 5, 2013 8:17:31 PM
It was a single box. That’s why it was $3.92.
Chris Brown
Cheaper Than Dirt, Inc.
2524 NE Loop 820
Fort Worth, TX 76106
Phone 817-378-5100 Ext. 158
www.CheaperThanDirt.com
From: Tom Logan
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Order 11560798
My order for item 7-A339 called for a brick, not a single box. That is what you shipped to me.
I have a print out of the original order and it did specify a brick.
Please send the balance or let me know how to return the one box for complete credit including shipping.
Thank you.
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I check Wal-mart almost every day and a couple of nights ago they had a case of Winchester bulk packs still on the cart.
Got my share. They shoot good!!! Made some awesome long shots. Missed some to. Was a good day...
I have been checking Wal-Mart in the mornings and there is nothing there but shotshells.
Yesterday morning I talked to the girl about the ammo situation and she said that the ammo comes in around 6:00 PM and never gets off the cart. People are lined up waiting for it. It is all gone before 7:00 PM.
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I have been picking up some 22s at Wal-mart, the last two times off the cart before its stocked. Most of the time I check twice a day.Still shooting them faster than I can hoard. I see that now some states are looking at in some cases, a big tax on ammo.
I think in many cases, power to rule becomes a mental problem.
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CTD has removed all previous price tags on ammo? Just noticed it while eying out for more hoarding. CHEAP ???, the little bird flutters away.
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I was going through boxes of junk and throwing stuff away. When, lo and behold, I opened a box containing about 2,000 Winchester wildcat .22 lr loose rounds in a plastic bag! :o Excellent! 8)
I found ammo that I had hoarded away from myself and forgotten about. Time to go shooting!!!
See? Hoarding isn't always a bad thing! ;D
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22 Rim-fire shelf life,
I don't know about all you out there but I have found 22 Rim fire cartridges have what could be termed a shelf lime. My experience has been the longer 22 ammo sits around the greater the fail to fire rate. Lets say I am using ammo that gives me 1 failure out of every 200. Keep ammo from the same lot on the shelf at room temps for say for 5 years and that rate goes up to 3 or 4 out of 200. Each years after the first five the rate would increase a bit until after 10 years failure would be near 10%. Also the bulk packaged and less expensive ( heavily waxed lead RN ) tended to have a higher initial rate of failure and tend to have greater failure rate over time also.
No hard data was recorded for this phenomena so numbers quite approximate. Still I have been seeing this for about 50 years of shouting. Something to think about those of you hoarding 22 out there!
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Ive not been shooting as long as you so I will defer to your stated failure ratios and projections. With the price and availability of rimfire these days, your observations are somewhat moot.
Heard what is probably a new urban legend that the Federal Government is causing the shortage by threatening ammo manufacturers to lose any military, or other government contracts if they supply the retail market.
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In February alone, we sold over 2 million guns to Americans. We have sold over 165 million guns to America since we started tracking that stuff in November of 1998.
42% of the background checks for firearm purchase have been during the Obama administration.
I imagine all of these new gun owners decided to take the gun shop guy's advice and get a .22 as well, because "they're cheap and so you can afford to practice."
If EVERY MONTH even a quarter of a million people decide to buy 10,000 rounds of .22 to learn how to shoot from scratch and 1 and three quarters of a million said "oh crap, it's hard to find ammo... BUY EVERYTHING," I imagine it would look a lot like the ammo shelves look today.
Perception leads to reality, it's just like something a relative of mine did when a cotton shortage was announced from Texas. She went and bought 10 years worth of socks and blue jeans to "get hers before the price went up." I think it's the exact same thing, except it sure does deliver a wonderful political message since it is guns and not cotton.
Another example: A rumor starts that a Bank is insolvent. Result? Everyone goes to withdraw their money at the same time. Conclusion? Perception led to the Bank actually becoming insolvent.
It's the exact same thing, people and their stupid panic-buys are the issue... people who should have been stocked already decided to "prep" and didn't realize that fish hooks and lures and vaccuum sealed bags of grits can be sometimes somewhat more important than 100,000 rounds of .22 stashed under their bed. Newbie preppers give veteran preppers a bad name with their inexperienced panic buys... buying out of proportion to future need and completely ignoring vitally important categories.
It's really sad, I know a guy who "is fine on food, he's got a couple cases of MREs." The problem? He claims to have 100,000 rounds. I asked him if he had any medical supplies. I received a blank look and he changed the subject. Got a shortwave radio? Weather radio? What are you going to do for light, heat, and clean water if grid services are disrupted? He then insisted on talking about hunting. I'm fine with that.
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I probably have close to the stated round count, unfortunately bought using traceable means of currency, but I started the accunulation in 2007, and have not bought any for over a year. I have lived a prepared lifestyle since a youth; I am an Eagle, I am prepared.. We are all probably amature preppers since we use the system to provide most of our needs, instead of manufactoring it ourselves. I have been speaking for years. THERE IS A STORM COMING, BE PREPARED. I read the end of the book, we( THOSE RESTING IN JESUS ) win.