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MR_22 · « **Reply #70 on:** 21 »

I stopped "Next Generation" when they let the little kid take the con.

Yeah, that was kind of dumb. Imagine all of the guys who had gone to the academy and worked their way up, only to have a teenager who's mom was the ship's doctor take the helm. I wouldn't want to work for a Federation that would allow such unequal appointments.

bigwheel · « **Reply #71 on:** 22 »

Well I could tell after the first episode or two..they were supporting the Religion of Evolutionism and the Radical Homo agenda. Both them items is enough to make normal folks flippy the switch. That is Tex Mex for turn the channel. I had just as soon watch Jerry Springer re-runs. Never know when the fat ladies start fighting they sometimes rip each others clothes off etc. Nobody would want to miss that most likely.

MR_22 · « **Reply #72 on:** 00 »

I must admit that I was rather annoying by some of the liberal plots in the show, but I was quite forgiving. To me, The Next Generation IS Star Trek. The old series, although classic, was just wanna-be Star Trek. (And, yes, I did grow up watching reruns of Star Trek in the 70's and 80's.)

G50AE · « **Reply #73 on:** 00 »

I never found Star Trek to be particularly liberal. Perhaps the fact that under the United Federation of Planets laws, there was only one Death Penalty Offence, Violation of General Order 4 relating to contacting the Talosians or venturing to their system.

bigwheel · « **Reply #74 on:** 01 »

Even the early stuff was liberal. They were just trying to get us to buy into the poison Kool Aid on a gradual basis. We are a speck of dust in a doomed solar system..there are smarter folks out there than us. All that nonsense has been invented by the Dark Children to poison the mind of the Children of the Light. Kindly dont fall for it. Thanks.

G50AE · « **Reply #75 on:** 12 »

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Wow ... help me out here Bigwheel. You're saying that you are wondering what we're Huffing ..... while you are sitting there in your "crib", mumbling to yourself that it has floppywobblers & pointytointies & waggymaggies & collapsybuttsies & flashyslashies ..... ?

Can I use that as my signature line?

TwoGunJayne · « **Reply #76 on:** 12 »

Oh yes... PLEASE! Yes.... YESS!

MR_22 · « **Reply #77 on:** 14 »

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I never found Star Trek to be particularly liberal.

There was one episode that I found a bit offensive. It's about a planet that had only one gender. When people started to gravitate toward male or female, they would "fix them" by some sort of brainwashing. It was a very politically-motivated statement. I didn't much care for it.

Another one that didn't offend me, but was along the same lines, was about a society where people would prevent senility by scheduling people's funerals at age 72. It was a family event where everybody would get together to say goodbye to the old person, after which the 72-year-old would basically commit suicide. It was pretty far out there. The episode starred David Ogden Stiers as the 72-year-old, who was vibrant and intelligent and VERY FAR from senility on his deathday.

In both cases, the bisexual involved was fixed and the old guy killed himself, despite attempted intervention by members of the Enterprise crew.

OV-1D · « **Reply #78 on:** 14 »

That's where our shi*head el presidentie figured out his obamacare cra* . I believe that's where he has received most of his brainstorms from serial t.v. programing . He would do better in Hollywood anyhow .....................that loser of a politican ............wouldn't even make a good ambulance chaser .

TwoGunJayne · « **Reply #79 on:** 15 »

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I never found Star Trek to be particularly liberal.

Another one that didn't offend me, but was along the same lines, was about a society where people would prevent senility by scheduling people's funerals at age 72.

That's the book Logan's Run, but killing people at 72 instead of age 18. Amusingly, they had to say age 30 in the Logan's Run movie because none of the main actors could pass for under 18. Combine this with all of the sex and drugs in that book and there you have censorship. Too racy for prime time. There was also a small independent comic book version of the story that stayed closer to the book. Let's just say that Logan didn't need a gun, he could destroy robots by punching them and took out swarms of Sandmen. The computer didn't "reprogram him." Logan was a runner.

That story about gender identity sounds like a social commentary about the state of affairs in the United States. There is usually a lot of social stigma for playing with gender roles, hence the "brainwashing" in that episode.

Star Trek has a very long history of making thinly disguised pot shots at society. A lot of science fiction intends the viewer to simply think clearly about what society is and the reasoning behind its ways of being. The two main methods are "what happens with the sci-fi setting is the same as our world," and "how would it be different if one or more perameters were changed?"

"Run, runner!"

TwoGunJayne · « **Reply #80 on:** 15 »

One of the things I like about Star Trek is that it shows a "post-scarcity" society. Money is basically meaningless, hunger and want are eliminated. You could literally make gold bars from the matter replicator... but why would you bother?

When food, shelter, and medical needs are always met 100%, society can turn its energies to other things. What's left? Boldly go somewhere, I suppose. Sounds good to me...

OV-1D · « **Reply #81 on:** 15 »

Always loved that line " Going boldly where no one else has gone before " or something like that .

Dinadan · « **Reply #82 on:** 17 »

The original Star Trek is/was ... different. I think that is why folks still watch it avidly today. (I know for a fact that they do - it happens in my house.) Roddenberry created programs that he wanted to create and that a lot of mainstream directors would never have done. A lot of it was preachy and often grating, but he did have a vision of a better future, while a lot of directors then and now might as well be moles for all the vision that they have.

Remember Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein? They believed that the positive qualities of humanity would overcome the negative qualities. Racial prejudice, superstition, sexism, ignorance, would gradually be left behind as humanity advanced. The original Star Trek fit right in with what they had been writing for decades.

OV-1D · « **Reply #83 on:** 19 »

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The original Star Trek is/was ... different. I think that is why folks still watch it avidly today. (I know for a fact that they do - it happens in my house.) Roddenberry created programs that he wanted to create and that a lot of mainstream directors would never have done. A lot of it was preachy and often grating, but he did have a vision of a better future, while a lot of directors then and now might as well be moles for all the vision that they have.

Remember Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein? They believed that the positive qualities of humanity would overcome the negative qualities. Racial prejudice, superstition, sexism, ignorance, would gradually be left behind as humanity advanced. The original Star Trek fit right in with what they had been writing for decades.

Dinadan until mankind can develop mind over matter literally , which I doubt will ever come to past , life will go on just as it has for the past 20,000 years or so except we'll just look better and maybe live longer . Technology can't change the being inside us all were still a mammal or animal so to speak . Crazy huh . Just wishing isn't going to get it done .

I · « **Reply #84 on:** 19 »

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Remember Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein?

I love you, Cassy.

.54Cal_Kidd · « **Reply #85 on:** 20 »

I remember watching the original series when I was a kid.
A great book is Beam me up Scotty by James Doohan, It's his biography and covers the making of the series and a lot of what went on then. Did anyone know that he went ashore at Normandy on D-day?

TwoGunJayne · « **Reply #86 on:** 20 »

I freaked out the day I learned that he lost some fingers in the war and they tried their best to cover it up when he was on screen. I only gained respect for the man from what I learned about him as time passed. At first, I just thought he was some guy on the screen. Wow, what a man. Seriously, I'm a little girl next to that. A few friends and I figured out a recipe for "Romulan Ale" that even has the right color. He can drink my Romulan Ale any day. I hear it's illegal in the Federation. You never heard this from me.

Dinadan · « **Reply #87 on:** 20 »

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Dinadan until mankind can develop mind over matter literally , which I doubt will ever come to past , life will go on just as it has for the past 20,000 years or so except we'll just look better and maybe live longer . Technology can't change the being inside us all were still a mammal or animal so to speak . Crazy huh . Just wishing isn't going to get it done .

I said it was a vision, I did not say it was reality. That was an era when some people felt that humanity was on an upward trajectory and that the world would be a better place within the future of this civilization. It was a humanistic vision, and I was eager to embrace it when I was young. These days ... I am more sceptical about humanism. Against Stupidity, the Gods Themselves Contend in Vain.

G50AE · « **Reply #88 on:** 00 »

Quote from: MR_22 on 14

There was one episode that I found a bit offensive. It's about a planet that had only one gender. When people started to gravitate toward male or female, they would "fix them" by some sort of brainwashing. It was a very politically-motivated statement. I didn't much care for it.

That is somewhat incorect, the race was the J'Naii only mentioned in Season 5, Episode 17, "The Outcast". In the episode they state several times that the J'Naii are genderless.

This episode is criticized because Jonathan Frakes and Michael Dorn esentially break the Kayfabe of their characters, Ryker and Worf. Their characters were too "by the book" for their actions in the last portions of the episode.

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Another one that didn't offend me, but was along the same lines, was about a society where people would prevent senility by scheduling people's funerals at age 72. It was a family event where everybody would get together to say goodbye to the old person, after which the 72-year-old would basically commit suicide. It was pretty far out there. The episode starred David Ogden Stiers as the 72-year-old, who was vibrant and intelligent and VERY FAR from senility on his deathday.

In this case it was not a member of the crew who interviened. Loxanna Troi, the ships councilor's Betazed mother, who is NOT a Star Fleet Officer or Crewman, gets romantically involved with the man in question. She tried to convince the man to go against the tradition of the society, initially suceeding, but he finds himself shut off from his work, which he finds the same as being dead. He goes along with tradition. Loxanna apeals to the Captain, who in his usual stoicism, says that he cannot get involved. Loxanna choses to attend the man's "Resolution" and he is pleased that she respects the tradition of his culture even if it conflicts with her mores.

In this episode none of the cast members broke the Kayfabe of their characters, something you should not do in either wrestling or Sci-Fi. Which I think is fitting because don't they show ECW on the Sci-Fi channel.

OV-1D · « **Reply #89 on:** 05 »

I can hear that Star Trek tune in my minds backround this morning , WOW . Thanks alot for the music worm for today . $:-\$ $:-\$

Uncle_Lee · « **Reply #90 on:** 06 »

"When food, shelter, and medical needs are always met 100%, society can turn its energies to other things."

Isn't this what obama is after?

I · « **Reply #91 on:** 06 »

No, he wants the people who aren't receiving it to pay for it and pay for their own while paying for everyone else. In Star Trek, it was just available because technology had pretty much eliminated scarcity of resources.

RogueTS1 · « **Reply #92 on:** 11 »

Quote from: TwoGunJayne on 15

One of the things I like about Star Trek is that it shows a "post-scarcity" society. Money is basically meaningless, hunger and want are eliminated. You could literally make gold bars from the matter replicator... but why would you bother?

When food, shelter, and medical needs are always met 100%, society can turn its energies to other things. What's left? Boldly go somewhere, I suppose. Sounds good to me...

We are overlooking the fact that if money was not needed and all of one's needs and supplies were overly abundant we would still need individuals or groups to do the labor or manage/maintain the operations of society. Just as on board one of the Star Cruisers the crew has to service the ship, the Dr. needs to service the crew and the Officers need to make decisions etc.

In this scenario the amount of effort and labor one has to put into a day's work would become the new "salary." I cannot say for you all but if I was a Dr. or an Engineer or something akin to thus and the individual serving drinks at the bar or watching a gauge on the warp drive is living the same life style I am and working less strenuously than I; I am going to start working only an hour or two a day for the same lifestyle. I think this mentality would be rampant throughout the society in this scenario. Basic human instincts and nature cannot be suppressed. Their is always some sort of salary, lifestyle or wealth factor involved in a society.

bud · « **Reply #93 on:** 12 »

I just found a box of 22mag in my gun safe marked 1974 on the plastic box with a tag of $2.75 on the box.

MR_22 · « **Reply #94 on:** 12 »

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I just found a box of 22mag in my gun safe marked 1974 on the plastic box with a tag of $2.75 on the box.

Wish we could invent a time machine and go back and stock up on ammo! And guns, too!

Think of all of the assaults on firearm ownership since 1974. Wish we could also bring back some sanity and some lost freedom.

MR_22 · « **Reply #95 on:** 13 »

Quote from: TwoGunJayne on 15

That's the book Logan's Run, but killing people at 72 instead of age 18. Amusingly, they had to say age 30 in the Logan's Run movie because none of the main actors could pass for under 18. Combine this with all of the sex and drugs in that book and there you have censorship. Too racy for prime time. There was also a small independent comic book version of the story that stayed closer to the book. Let's just say that Logan didn't need a gun, he could destroy robots by punching them and took out swarms of Sandmen. The computer didn't "reprogram him." Logan was a runner.

I never read the book--and never knew there was one--but I loved the movie. When I was a kid back in the 70's, I remember watching the TV series based on the movie, but I don't remember much about it. The movie was "too racy" for me to have seen by then.

Last year, I saw a mini-documentary film about the making of the movie Logan's Run, which apparently came out just before the movie was released as a sort of extended movie trailer. I think it was 20 or 30 minutes long and was fun to watch, especially seeing the references to "future technologies" they were trying to show in the film. Funny stuff. Great movie, tho. I'm disappointed Michael York never really made it big after starring as Logan.

bigwheel · « **Reply #96 on:** 13 »

Most of the old Star Trek stuff put me in mind of old cowboy movies set in the future tense. Got the same vibes only worse from Star Wars. Logans Run was one of my favorite movies during that time frame. Had some very cute nekked ladies in there. Never saw a copy of he book..which was no doubt much better. Always is. Only dumb liberals are able to convince themselves that societal evolution will lead to better circumstances. Its the theory which underlies Marxism. It do not work...but lefties cannot be convinced otherwise.

MR_22 · « **Reply #97 on:** 17 »

I always used to compare the two shows of Star Trek to Bonanza. I think they were pretty close to the same time and they almost seemed like the same show set in two very different times. Kind of like The Flintstones and The Jetsens.

bigwheel · « **Reply #98 on:** 17 »

Yeppers..very astute observation. The Enterprise was the Ponderosa. Hop Sing was Scotty. Adam was Doc..Little Joe was the chinese guy. Capn Kirk was Uncle Ben. Its all falling into place now. The one where Cap Kirk fought the giant lizzard man hand to hand was David and Goliath. Right? But think he let the lizzard guy go free at the end. David would not have handled it like that. That when you cut off their heads with their own sword in real life.

G50AE · « **Reply #99 on:** 01 »

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I stopped "Next Generation" when they let the little kid take the con.

Yeah, that was kind of dumb. Imagine all of the guys who had gone to the academy and worked their way up, only to have a teenager who's mom was the ship's doctor take the helm. I wouldn't want to work for a Federation that would allow such unequal appointments.

Yeah, they should have brought Ro Larin into the series as Helmsman a lot earlier.

The problem they started off with was that Jordi La Forge did not make for a credible Helmsman because he was blind without the visor. He made a much better engineer, because he could use his visor to see stuctural abnormalities not visible to the average eye, they would occationally upload some of the color IR imagery for cool effects.

Wesley Crusher's part should have been more of an engineering crewman, kinda like a JROTC program. His two best friends ended up being Jordi and Data, which would have played into tha role quite well. They could have also had him work with Chief O'Brien, the federation's best transporter Chief who could opperate the tranporter better than even Jordi and Data. Also their should have been more Troi appointments, as a kid playing in a grown man's starship would have been rather stressful.

Kevin · « **Reply #100 on:** 02 »

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We are overlooking the fact that if money was not needed and all of one's needs and supplies were overly abundant we would still need individuals or groups to do the labor or manage/maintain the operations of society. Just as on board one of the Star Cruisers the crew has to service the ship, the Dr. needs to service the crew and the Officers need to make decisions etc.

I had fantasies about being serviced by the doctor and the counselor.

"Energize!"

OV-1D · « **Reply #101 on:** 05 »

BET all you trekkies have made up fazzers also , my oh my . Just give me a Klingon babe in dark leathers for point lead .

Uncle_Lee · « **Reply #102 on:** 05 »

.32 acp phaser.................

OV-1D · « **Reply #103 on:** 06 »

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We are overlooking the fact that if money was not needed and all of one's needs and supplies were overly abundant we would still need individuals or groups to do the labor or manage/maintain the operations of society. Just as on board one of the Star Cruisers the crew has to service the ship, the Dr. needs to service the crew and the Officers need to make decisions etc.

I had fantasies about being serviced by the doctor and the counselor.

"Energize!"

So Kev your into prostrate exams uh and then getting to talk about it , oh boy .

TwoGunJayne · « **Reply #104 on:** 09 »

I've seen on the net more than a couple of toy phasers that have had burning lasers added so they can smoke plastic, light matches and such.