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lohman446

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Hoarding ammo
« on: February 12, 2013, 11:31:45 AM »
At one point are you hoarding? 

For instance if I shoot a lot and have 10K rounds but it only lasts me 6 months I would say I am not hoarding.  However if I never shoot and have 1K rounds I would question if that is hoarding. 

Personally I keep about 500 to 1000 rounds of 9MM and about ten times that in .22LR.  Everything else I have is nice to have but I do not really worry about it.  At what point are you hoarding ammo? 
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2013, 12:11:08 PM »
"hoarding: to accumulate money, food, or the like, in a hidden or carefully guarded place for preservation, future use, etc. "

I think "excessive hoarding" is when you stop shooting and you take many times (3 or 4) more than your normal usage out of the open supply and then continue to seek more.

If you normally burn thru a 1000 rounds a month and you buy ammo half a year's at a time holding 6000 or even 12000 rounds would not be hoarding. But to stop shooting and keep buying would be.
If you shoot 3 or 4 thousand rounds a month I doubt you are buying retail ammo.

I am lucky to shoot 100 to 400 rounds month mostly 22's, I would like to shoot more but $ is tight. My baseline is 50 target rounds & 25 defense rounds for each firearm. I buy 22 LR by the brick and when I get low I look for the best buy for another brick. 9mm, .38 SP and .357 I try to replace as I shoot. Holding the best part of a brick of 22's and less than 100 rounds of each of the others is my flush point.

I think it is important to try to keep normal pattern of usage, if possible. I restrict my shooting if I can not replace expended rounds.
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2013, 12:38:44 PM »
I really wish I had hoarded when 22 bulk packs of 550 rounds were $9.50!
The Federal 550 bulk packs I got this morning were $21.77 at wal-nuts.

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2013, 01:40:03 PM »
What is the difference between hoarding and strategic planning? To become aware of a potential problem and not take steps to provide a successful outcome is to ignore the the most basic tenant learned as a boy scout.

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2013, 02:03:55 PM »
I think the unusual buy and non-use of ammo is the issue. If you normally buy and use ten thousand rounds a month and can not buy because several someones have started to buy everything they can but don't shoot but hold.
I am hoping the bare shelves are caused by increased demand not restricted supply. The supply chain will pick up to keep pace with demand as long as there is manufacturing capapcity. Or so the theory goes.
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2013, 02:21:55 PM »
Isn't this whole deal with .22 ammo hoarding down right asinine. For protection (strategic planning)? A 22 might be a bit better than a sling shot - better because of the 'automatic' ability of a pistol or rifle but to believe that a 22, even a clip full, is going to stop someone coming after you is dreaming. A very cheap bullet proof vest will stop - not only stop but make the wearer feel invincible after feeling no effect from being shot - with a 22. This attacker then has the intent to act out his invincibility and probably kill you - if he didn't have that intent at the start. You're better off with a bag of fist sized rocks than a 22 - problem with the rocks is they can be thrown back! A 38 - 40 - or 45 is protection...not a plinking 22.

Seems right now everything is out of stock everywhere....and how long has this been going on? Long enough for manufacturers to step up production - but they haven't and it actually appears that there is even less supply of all ammunition. As was said: a poor farm boy trying to protect his chickens from a raccoon is SOL.

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2013, 02:37:03 PM »
Isn't this whole deal with .22 ammo hoarding down right asinine. For protection (strategic planning)? A 22 might be a bit better than a sling shot - better because of the 'automatic' ability of a pistol or rifle but to believe that a 22, even a clip full, is going to stop someone coming after you is dreaming. A very cheap bullet proof vest will stop - not only stop but make the wearer feel invincible after feeling no effect from being shot - with a 22. This attacker then has the intent to act out his invincibility and probably kill you - if he didn't have that intent at the start. You're better off with a bag of fist sized rocks than a 22 - problem with the rocks is they can be thrown back! A 38 - 40 - or 45 is protection...not a plinking 22.

Seems right now everything is out of stock everywhere....and how long has this been going on? Long enough for manufacturers to step up production - but they haven't and it actually appears that there is even less supply of all ammunition. As was said: a poor farm boy trying to protect his chickens from a raccoon is SOL.

A .22LR will take down most game animals for food (likely a more important consideration than defense for most situations).  It is also acceptable for defense if not great.  A few thousand rounds of .22LR ammo takes up a lot less space than a few thousand rounds of other ammo. 

Hence why I keep a good supply of 9MM and a better supply of .22LR. 
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2013, 02:39:46 PM »
A lot of people have been stopped by a .22. Your reply is irresponsible, at best.

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2013, 03:48:37 PM »
.22's have been used to dispatch livestock for slaughter for decades. They are also an advantage in subsonic form for silenced weapons due to the low mechanical noise of slight recoil cycling.

Likelihood of facing body armor on an intruder is historically low. Regular practice on a standard silhouette target, should prepare a defensive shooter to immediately move aim up for head/neck shots if center of mass does not slow BG's advance. Average gun engagements are rated at 7 yards... 7 strides to close the distance to point blank.

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2013, 04:04:52 PM »
Guilty as charged, I bought 9 cases while I could...
2 cases of 22 Long Rifle
1 case of 22 Short (high velocity)
2 cases of 22 Magnum
2 cases of thuty-thuty
1 case of 243
1 case of 12 gauge 00 Buckshot

shot placement is what's critical, I like to practice.

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2013, 04:12:56 PM »
WAC,
If you shoot with any degree of regularity, you use ammunition, perhaps a fair amount. If you see a possible impediment to your ability to acquire ammunition in the future you plan ahead and purchase additional amounts sufficient to meet your future needs. That is not hoarding, it is common sense. If you were never a boy scout, you can be excused for not knowing the motto.

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2013, 04:28:27 PM »
Wac
Wearing a vest if you break into my house will not save you from my 22. Two might if you wear one over your head also, unless you have eye holes cut out that I can see. Also do they make bullet proof shorts?

Seem like I read that 22s kill more people than all the rest of the calibers put together.

I have always figured ten 22s in the forehead was much better than one 44  in the wall.
The ten bullet thing doesn't count when all I have on hand is a mini. Should be able to rack up 7 or 8 hits with 2 minis if need be.

On hoarding, just got back from unhoarding 300 shells in 22.
  Helps  keep me confident  that life is good when I have a 22 in hand.
 

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2013, 04:38:36 PM »
'FAILURE DRILL!"  In the right hands a point two two can be deadly.

By some's definition I would classify as a hoarder. I wait until a good deal comes along and then buy by the thousands. Sometimes I shoot it sometimes I don't but my stash is always there to supply my ammunition needs. It is safe to say I have not been buying much lately though due to the lack of good deals these days.
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2013, 05:15:52 PM »
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  Posted by: WAC« on: Today at 04:21:55 PM » Isn't this whole deal with .22 ammo hoarding down right asinine. For protection (strategic planning)? A 22 might be a bit better than a sling shot - better because of the 'automatic' ability of a pistol or rifle but to believe that a 22, even a clip full, is going to stop someone coming after you is dreaming.
 
The 22 LR is not my first choice for defense, but I have killed deer with it, and as CavScout noted, it is what we used to kill cattle back on the farm. I figure that most guys will not like being shot, even with a 22 LR, and cease and desist. The enemy I prepare against is a thug. If it is a drug crazed maniac coming at me then I am out of luck.

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2013, 05:37:05 PM »
Isn't this whole deal with .22 ammo hoarding down right asinine. For protection (strategic planning)? A 22 might be a bit better than a sling shot - better because of the 'automatic' ability of a pistol or rifle but to believe that a 22, even a clip full, is going to stop someone coming after you is dreaming. A very cheap bullet proof vest will stop - not only stop but make the wearer feel invincible after feeling no effect from being shot - with a 22. This attacker then has the intent to act out his invincibility and probably kill you - if he didn't have that intent at the start. You're better off with a bag of fist sized rocks than a 22 - problem with the rocks is they can be thrown back! A 38 - 40 - or 45 is protection...not a plinking 22.

Seems right now everything is out of stock everywhere....and how long has this been going on? Long enough for manufacturers to step up production - but they haven't and it actually appears that there is even less supply of all ammunition. As was said: a poor farm boy trying to protect his chickens from a raccoon is SOL.

one of the sillier posts i have read on this site (except for black cat of course). I have to wonder why you are here since its primarily a .22 site and almost exclusive to small caliber overall.
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2013, 05:56:07 PM »
   If the world suddenly turns sour lets all go over to boone's place and hold up for the duration  :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) all of us . Bring beer .
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2013, 12:23:15 AM »
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"If the world suddenly turns sour lets all go over to boone's place and hold up for the duration." OV-D1

We all nominate you to be the one to knock on his door.  ;)

I just squeaked in an order for 1100 rounds of .44 Mag cowboy ammo. That might sound like a lot of ammo to a non-shooter, but at a rate of 100 rounds per match (50 in single-action revolvers, 50 in a lever-action rifle) and 3 area matches per month starting in April, that will get me about half-way through the season if I attend most of the matches and don't practice.

Is there a statute of limitations on hoarding? I've got a few boxes of .22s I bought in the 80's and stashed in the back of the closet, including a carton of CCI Stingers. I also have a box of .38 Special Speer shot shells (my Mom moved to rural Arkansas and there were poisonous snakes in the area).

I think stocking up when supplies are plentiful, even for long-term storage in "prepper"-quantities isn't hoarding. When supplies are tight and you buy the shelves clean, that's either hoarding - if you hang on to them - or, profiteering - if you turn around and sell them for a markup once you are the only local source for buyers to turn to.

Mel Tappan, in his classic 1992 book "Survival Guns" recommended stocking up on .22LR ammunition for use in bartering for goods, in addition to owning a generous shooting stockpile of the ammo. I think that may be in the back of the minds of more than at few purchasers.
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2013, 08:22:36 AM »
When it come to having a stash of ammo saved up, I perfer to call it "being ready"
Hoarding might be if you save all the empty shell boxes...

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2013, 01:32:25 PM »
I think the term hoarding, as it refers to an affliction, is collecting "stuff" that has no intended immediate need... and typically remains "stored" without use "just in case".

The term hoarding also applies to accumulating needed supplies, when abundant, for later consumption... usually at a surplus amount to assure the supply outlasts the need. Example, ants and squirrels.

I'll leave it up to each of you "hoarders" to decide which shoe fits!  :P
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2013, 01:58:15 PM »


one of the sillier posts i have read on this site (except for black cat of course). I have to wonder why you are here since its primarily a .22 site and almost exclusive to small caliber overall.

Now there's a silly post - pertains to no topic just a slam since heyjoe has nothing to say - really. And 'irresponsible' post? Boy that's a big word there pal.

Some of you don't get this concept of a forum or 'discussion board'. If the topic doesn't quite fit within your tunnel vision you revert to calling names and actually calling someone out for the post. Some know but the children here ruin the forum and argue all the time. This forum is no fun - too many harsh words over what should be a friendly discussion of an opinion - opinions change - sometimes during a discussion.... Y'all fight among each-other....

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2013, 03:19:47 PM »
actually you are the one pouting about his post being correctly evaluated as being ridiculous. you say you are better off throwing rocks than using a .22 as self protection and you wonder why you are being laughed at? now you are taking your ball and bat and going home. better go to the 50 caliber and up forum where the real men are.
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2013, 06:53:42 PM »
I used to question the value of a .22LR for awhile too.  Then I did an experiment while hiking.  I carried 1000 rounds of .22 ammunition and barely noticed it.  Try that with a .270 or other "real" rifle.  To me .22MAG may be one of the great compromises in this regard by the 10-22 in 22 MAG (whatever it was called) is expensive and I have not found any other .22 MAG rifles that I really really like as survival guns.  I do have one of those take-down .22 that pack into the stock but I prefer the Ruger 10/22.  I know I am not going to antagonize anyone holding one. 
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2013, 07:08:23 AM »
Hay 446 ruger just came out with a 10/22takedown of there own not sure if they did a mag verstion of .ot but you could look in to that   
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2013, 07:32:53 PM »
ok i have to way in here. i thought my fellow wisconsinites where amuned to the ammo hoarding. alass i was wrong. i stopped into my local fleet farm to buy some 22 mags for my new wasp. i just about fell over in lease then a week they went from overflowing shelves. to only having 6 boxes of 22 shorts. if walmart is out i will be at a loss because most of the online ammo stores are back ordered with no idea to when they would get any.

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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2013, 03:15:21 PM »
Today I stopped in at a little podunk hardware store in a podunk town, and found their untouched stock of slightly overpriced ammo leftover from hunting season.  Then the cashier told me they had .22's on sale!  I got a brick of Rem. Thunderbolts for under $20, when other suppliers are limiting their overpriced stuff to 4 boxes per customer.  They carry mostly hunting rifle ammo, but I'm sure they will be bare (or WAY overpriced) soon.  I also just bought a Rossi .22/410 yesterday at a nice price ($179, 2 barrels) giving me a great plinking/small game backpacking rifle for the impending apocalypse.

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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2013, 03:19:28 PM »
Nice find. I have not had much luck locating any overlooked and decently priced ammo lately.
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2013, 06:47:09 PM »
I'm going to start stopping in at the little country quick shops that I remember having the odd shelf of ammo.  The dusty boxes I saw over the last couple years suddenly are now the better priced and sought after rounds not available anywhere else.  It's kinda nice to know that the price gouging of other places doesn't reach to Littletown Realamerica.  Makes me feel a little better about the $28 box of rifle primers I just paid $60 for.

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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2013, 07:04:06 PM »
I bought a brick of Aquila sub sonic .22 lr from Cheaper than Dirt a few weekscago for $25 o so, plus shipping.  I checked again tonight and the same ammo is $36 and the Aquila 950 fps is $75.

When or if the prices come back to earth, I will stock up, but will remember whose prices were out of line.
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2013, 09:22:21 PM »
Geez!  I have a brick of American Eagle .22 lr that I paid $12.99 for a while back. I shoot allot of it through a Browning lever action.  Looks like I'll be hanging on to it until availability goes up and price comes down.  Got several boxes of CCI stinger, Maxi mags, and shot shells.  Been on a ton of web sites and all of them have the same answer...out of stock no idea on restock.
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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2013, 08:21:23 AM »
When or if the prices come back to earth, I will stock up, but will remember whose prices were out of line.

I agree with this.  Right now I am slowly working my way through what I have and picking it up locally when I see it.  That being said I am not spending a lot of money on ammo and will need to stock up when supplied become available again.  Those sources that have gouged on prices now will not get my business simply by being a dollar cheaper then others when the supplies come back. 
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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2013, 09:47:05 AM »
When things do ease up, makes me wonder IF the price of ammo will go back down to the high price it was before all of this. :)
It may go down some, but I bet the price will say up for a LONG time.
You could always reload center fire ammo and help out some, but .22's are out of sight. I used to buy L.R. ammo for .50 cents a box. Peters I believe.
For 2 or 3 dollars, we would walk down the railroad tracks, stay out all day and have a pinking good time.
I still have some .22's that I paid .98cents for.

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Re: Hoarding ammo
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2013, 12:20:08 PM »
  Times like these I'm kinda glad to live in suburbia where shooting freely isn't an option besides it saves allot of ammo and I hate cleaning my guns ............. now fondling them is a different story .
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« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2013, 04:07:28 PM »
A fondling session can save a lot of money in ammo costs! Especially nowadays. ;D

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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2013, 04:35:49 PM »
I was just thinking about the "hoarding" of ammo.  There is 1000 rounds of LR ammo in my truck along with the LR cylinder for my Mini.  Hate to ever not have enough. 
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2013, 04:44:57 PM »
This ammo stuff is just like the oil shortage, artificially induced. Some shooters without a doubt are hoarding but most of us just can't spend 100s of dollars every day or week on a hobby/passtime/love or whatever. For the next five years no matter what happens with the gun laws the retailers are all going to cry "manufacturing shortfall" and keep prices up. $50.00 will buy an hour's plinking instead of a month's.
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