Sidewinder velocities

Django2442 · October-09-16 02:10

I ran some magnum and long rifle rounds I had on hand through the chronograph, nothing too formal, setup the chronograph and positioned myself 10' away from the sensor and did my shooting, here are the results.

Created: 10/08/16 11:33 AM
Description: CCI Maxi Mag Choot en
Notes 1: CCI 0.22 JHP 40.00 0
Notes 2: NAA Sidewinder
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 40.00
Temp: 69 °F
BP: 30.13 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
12 930 76.83 37.20
11 916 74.54 36.64
10 946 79.50 37.84
9 931 77.00 37.24
8 928 76.50 37.12
7 919 75.03 36.76
6 917 74.70 36.68
5 935 77.66 37.40
4 919 75.03 36.76
3 922 75.52 36.88
2 ERROR 3
1 923 75.68 36.92
Average: 926.0 FPS
SD: 9.1 FPS
Min: 916 FPS
Max: 946 FPS
Spread: 30 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: inf FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

Created: 10/08/16 11:39 AM
Description: Speer Gold Dots
Notes 1: 0.22 mag JHP 40.00 0
Notes 2: NAA Sidewinder
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 40.00
Temp: 69 °F
BP: 30.13 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
13 922 75.52 36.88
12 951 80.34 38.04
11 987 86.54 39.48
10 931 77.00 37.24
9 888 70.05 35.52
8 946 79.50 37.84
7 940 78.49 37.60
6 981 85.49 39.24
5 921 75.35 36.84
4 924 75.84 36.96
3 938 78.16 37.52
2 952 80.51 38.08
1 988 86.71 39.52
Average: 943.8 FPS
SD: 28.9 FPS
Min: 888 FPS
Max: 988 FPS
Spread: 100 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: inf FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

Created: 10/08/16 11:44 AM
Description: Winchester.22lr super x
Notes 1: 0.22 mag JHP 40.00 0
Notes 2: NAA Sidewinder
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 40.00
Temp: 68 °F
BP: 30.13 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
14 894 71.00 35.76
13 863 66.16 34.52
12 917 74.70 36.68
11 845 63.43 33.80
10 865 66.47 34.60
9 873 67.70 34.92
8 869 67.08 34.76
7 ERROR 3
6 827 60.76 33.08
5 900 71.95 36.00
4 887 69.89 35.48
3 803 57.28 32.12
2 786 54.88 31.44
1 788 55.16 31.52
Average: 855.2 FPS
SD: 42.8 FPS
Min: 786 FPS
Max: 917 FPS
Spread: 131 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: inf FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

Created: 10/08/16 11:51 AM
Description: CCI Mini Mag 36 grain
Notes 1: 0.22lr copper plated HP
Notes 2: NAA Sidewinder
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 40.00
Temp: 69 °F
BP: 30.13 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
14 889 70.21 35.56
13 894 71.00 35.76
12 938 78.16 37.52
11 906 72.92 36.24
10 893 70.84 35.72
9 942 78.83 37.68
8 920 75.19 36.80
7 913 74.05 36.52
6 928 76.50 37.12
5 921 75.35 36.84
4 912 73.89 36.48
3 896 71.32 35.84
2 851 64.33 34.04
1 ERROR 3
Average: 907.9 FPS
SD: 24.1 FPS
Min: 851 FPS
Max: 942 FPS
Spread: 91 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: inf FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

Created: 10/08/16 11:58 AM
Description: CCI standard velocity
Notes 1: 0.22lr lead RN 40 grain
Notes 2: NAA Sidewinder
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 40.00
Temp: 70 °F
BP: 30.10 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
8 838 62.38 33.52
7 843 63.13 33.72
6 817 59.30 32.68
5 816 59.15 32.64
4 847 63.73 33.88
3 822 60.02 32.88
2 806 57.71 32.24
1 822 60.02 32.88
Average: 826.4 FPS
SD: 14.6 FPS
Min: 806 FPS
Max: 847 FPS
Spread: 41 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: inf FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

Created: 10/08/16 12:02 PM
Description: CCI Quiet
Notes 1: 0.22lr segmented HP40 grain
Notes 2: NAA Sidewinder
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 0.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 40.00
Temp: 70 °F
BP: 30.10 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
5 576 29.47 23.04
4 566 28.46 22.64
3 577 29.58 23.08
2 588 30.71 23.52
1 566 28.46 22.64
Average: 574.6 FPS
SD: 9.2 FPS
Min: 566 FPS
Max: 588 FPS
Spread: 22 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.2
True MV: inf FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

That's what I have done at the moment

Pete

Django2442 · October-24-16 06:10

I guess these post are still awaiting approval, but I found some Federal 50grain Game Shok in the meantime and here are the results, I was hoping for a little more velocity out of these, but the results put the 50 grain .22mag out of the Sidewinder's 1.5" barrel basically on par velocity wise with 50 grain 25acp out of a 2" barrel, I wanted to see how these penetrated and shot 5 rounds into a 2x4 at 15' 3 penetrated all the way through 2 got stuck on exit. I still want to test the 50 grain rounds more to see what they'll do on other mediums as far as the rounds penetration and performance.

Created: 10/23/16 01:03 PM
Description: Federal Game Shok
Notes 1: .22 mag 50grain JHP
Notes 2: NAA Sidewinder
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 0.50
Temp: 51 °F
BP: 29.52 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
10 748 0.62 0.37
9 709 0.56 0.35
8 728 0.59 0.36
7 715 0.57 0.36
6 746 0.62 0.37
5 753 0.63 0.38
4 726 0.59 0.36
3 761 0.64 0.38
2 761 0.64 0.38
1 737 0.60 0.37
Average: 738.4 FPS
SD: 18.4 FPS
Min: 709 FPS
Max: 761 FPS
Spread: 52 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 739 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

Django2442 · November-08-16 07:11

Why a month latter is this still "awaiting approval" ?

JRobyn · November-10-16 10:11

Finally came through, but it was flagged as a "read" post in my browser.

Thanks! Interesting data.

zburkett · November-10-16 11:11

Thanks, I'll print that out and tape it in the door of my gun safe. Really appreciate that you included the quite .22

Django2442 · November-10-16 12:11

Excellent, I hope these are helpful and I'm happy these finally posted, I'll be doing more testing as I come across or get my hands on different.22mag and .22lr rounds. I'll also be running the mag ammo through my wife's ported pug when I get a chance.

Pete

Uncle_Lee · November-11-16 04:11

Thanks, that goes good with coffee.
I think I will print it out also.

To Old To Run · November-11-16 05:11

Very interesting, thanks for taking the time.
Always nice to see information like this.

jennflip · November-12-16 09:11

wow,I am surprised!!! That is almost as fast as my ol chevy pickemup!!!!! lol

Django2442 · November-18-16 08:11

Ammo I've chronographed so far through the Sidewinder

Django2442 · November-18-16 08:11

Next up are some 30 grain rounds, I will hopefully get these done and posted by end of day Sunday

Sorry, no go this Sunday inclement weather has shut me down the past few Sundays, I try to not recreational shoot during hunting season, so that only leaves Sunday's, my apologies and I will hopefully be lucky next Sunday.

Django2442 · November-20-16 10:11

I got lucky with a short window between storms

Created: 11/20/16 11:03 AM
Description: CCI Maxi-Mag 22WMR HP+V
Notes 1: NAA Sidewinder
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 30.00
Temp: 50 °F
BP: 29.14 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
9 1103 81.06 33.09
8 1136 85.98 34.08
7 1128 84.77 33.84
6 1106 81.50 33.18
5 1113 82.53 33.39
4 1034 71.23 31.02
3 1116 82.98 33.48
2 999 66.49 29.97
1 1171 91.36 35.13
Average: 1100.7 FPS
SD: 52.6 FPS
Min: 999 FPS
Max: 1171 FPS
Spread: 172 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 1102 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

Created: 11/20/16 11:08 AM
Description: Winchester Varmint HV
Notes 1: NAA Sidewinder
Notes 2: Polymer Tip V-Max
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 30.00
Temp: 50 °F
BP: 29.14 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
10 1144 87.19 34.32
9 1188 94.03 35.64
8 1188 94.03 35.64
7 1161 89.81 34.83
6 1188 94.03 35.64
5 ERROR 3
4 1150 88.11 34.50
3 1204 96.58 36.12
2 1179 92.61 35.37
1 1171 91.36 35.13
Average: 1174.8 FPS
SD: 19.9 FPS
Min: 1144 FPS
Max: 1204 FPS
Spread: 60 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 1176 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

Both these rounds had respectable velocities from the Sidewinder's 1.5" barrel, both were very accurate and I know this is going to sound silly but my berm responded to this round much in the same way my 357 mag rounds do, large crater showering me with dirt and clay, not sure about what kind of penetration but I suspect if they open a large nasty shallow explosive wound like a .17hmr, and if they don't open I suspect plenty of penetration with either but I like the Winchester faster, more fpe and more consistent than the CCI, would love to hear some feedback on your thoughts on the lighter 30 grain rounds performance, as my observations are pure speculation.

OV-1D · November-20-16 15:11

You guys just want to punish these poor mini's don't you all . Good grief . Not to say anything about your hands , when is it enough when it blows apart in your mitts , be the first on your block to say "I guess its a little to powerful a cartridge " , don't forget to put it on You-Tube ..

Uncle_Lee · November-21-16 04:11

Thanks, I enjoy your tables..

Django2442 · November-21-16 05:11

Thanks for the feedback OV-1D, very constructive, but correct me if I'm wrong.
First of all firearms don't just explode, things like bad heat treatment, which with modern manufacturing techniques are almost non existent, NAA it would be safe to assume do not heat treat individual firearms, parts are being done in batches so if there was a fluke bad heat treatment it would be with multiple firearms not a random weak cylinder or frame. Then let's look at ammo failure , these are commercially manufactured rounds that adhere to the SAAMI standards, not a push or exceed the SAAMI limits hand load, doesn't matter if it's a 40, 45, 50, or 30 grain round the case pressures are the same, they are actually the same as .22lr they just remain at peak a little longer. The tolerance set by SAAMI are not so close to maximum pressure that a slight or random spike in pressure will cause a catastrophic failure most firearms are manufactured to handle more than the allotted standard. The weakest leak in the equation is the case itself it would split before the cylinder would likely give and pressure would escape in the direction of least resistance. Now the most common reason a firearm explodes is operator malfunction and not recognizing the shooter had a squib and the followup shot cannot follow the path of least resistance and there is your exploding random firearm.

Uncle_Lee · November-21-16 05:11

Quote from: Django2442 on November-21-16 05:11
Thanks for the feedback OV-1D, very constructive, but correct me if I'm wrong.
First of all firearms don't just explode, things like bad heat treatment, which with modern manufacturing techniques are almost non existent, NAA it would be safe to assume do not heat treat individual firearms, parts are being done in batches so if there was a fluke bad heat treatment it would be with multiple firearms not a random weak cylinder or frame. Then let's look at ammo failure , these are commercially manufactured rounds that adhere to the SAAMI standards, not a push or exceed the SAAMI limits hand load, doesn't matter if it's a 40, 45, 50, or 30 grain round the case pressures are the same, they are actually the same as .22lr they just remain at peak a little longer. The tolerance set by SAAMI are not so close to maximum pressure that a slight or random spike in pressure will cause a catastrophic failure most firearms are manufactured to handle more than the allotted standard. The weakest leak in the equation is the case itself it would split before the cylinder would likely give and pressure would escape in the direction of least resistance. Now the most common reason a firearm explodes is operator malfunction and not recognizing the shooter had a squib and the followup shot cannot follow the path of least resistance and there is your exploding random firearm.

That was OV's way of saying that you did a good job and I bet it hurt your hand.

OV-1D · November-21-16 05:11

Thanks Unc ............. exactly . Ha ! . So much "TA-DO" about such short barreled guns . Rifles yeah ,yeah , yeah but mini's ...... come on . Again thanks for the research though , wheres my Ruger 10/22 .

Richard58 · November-22-16 23:11

Any test on the NAA short?

Uncle_Lee · November-24-16 04:11

Quote from: OV-1D on November-21-16 05:11
Thanks Unc ............. exactly . Ha ! . So much "TA-DO" about such short barreled guns . Rifles yeah ,yeah , yeah but mini's ...... come on . Again thanks for the research though , wheres my Ruger 10/22 .

It ain't in your pocket......

Django2442 · December-04-16 12:12

Created: 12/04/16 11:14 AM
Description: Hornady .22 Mag
Notes 1: 30 Grain V-Max
Notes 2: NAA Sidewinder
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 30.00
Temp: 42 °F
BP: 30.15 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
10 1054 74.01 31.62
9 1045 72.76 31.35
8 1058 74.58 31.74
7 1079 77.57 32.37
6 1052 73.73 31.56
5 1019 69.18 30.57
4 1068 75.99 32.04
3 1036 71.51 31.08
2 1028 70.41 30.84
1 1010 67.96 30.30
Average: 1044.9 FPS
SD: 21.7 FPS
Min: 1010 FPS
Max: 1079 FPS
Spread: 69 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 1046 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

11:23 AM
Description: CCI .22Mag
Notes 1: V-Max 30 grain
Notes 2: NAA Sidewinder
Distance to Chrono(FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight(gr): 30.00
Temp: 43 °F
BP: 30.15 inHg
Altitude: 0.00
# FPS FT-LBS PF
10 926 57.13 27.78
9 1015 68.64 30.45
8 1059 74.72 31.77
7 1084 78.29 32.52
6 998 66.36 29.94
5 1022 69.59 30.66
4 1005 67.29 30.15
3 1001 66.76 30.03
2 1005 67.29 30.15
1 1028 70.41 30.84
Average: 1014.3 FPS
SD: 41.5 FPS
Min: 926 FPS
Max: 1084 FPS
Spread: 158 FPS
Shot/sec: 0.1
True MV: 1015 FPS
Group Size (in): 0.00

Django2442 · December-04-16 14:12

Out of the rounds I've tested the Speer Gold Dots 40 grain JHP and the Winchester Varmint HV 30 grain V-Max have been the two top performers velocity wise. The Speer Gold Dots average velocity at a 10' point of impact is 944 fps and 79 fpe, the Winchester Varmint HV 1176 fps and 92 fpe. The Winchester 30 grain is the clear winner but how will the 30 grain do penetration wise? I alway prefer heavier projectiles, so I did a very scientific experiment with the 4322 page Grainger catalog ( insert sarcasm ).
So all in the name of science and by science I mean fun I decided to test 3 rounds that most interest me:

Federal 50 grain Game Shok
Speer 40 grain Gold Dots
Winchester 30 grain HV

So as expected the Federal 50 grain penetrated the least amount, one round tumbled and made a pretty nice track, in the pictures you can see what page each round stopped at.

Next the Speer Gold Dots 40 grain, one round opened up gnarled and jagged and stopped on page 1027, the other fragmented stopped mostly on page 1179 and continued on doing damage until page 1425.

This Winchester surprised me I expected it to do more damage at a shallow depth, but it acted a bit like a fmj. One of the rounds started to tumble at page 1100 and kept going to page 1539 leaving a nice cavity, the other round continued on until page 2017 and made a respectable wound, you can see the 3 point triangular wound on the pages prior to its final resting spot, but it still did damage up until page 2157 and might have bounced back.

So take what you want from this test, if you have shoot a spider on page 2017 of a Grainger book the Winchester is your round.

lefty dude · December-04-16 14:12

Thank you for your test and results.

For my 22 Mini Wasp, I carry Speer Gold Dots. And now I know why.

Django2442 · December-15-16 07:12

Lefty I carry the Gold Dots in my Sidewinder also, I haven't given up on the Winchester Varmint HV, one thing I failed to mention is you could definitely see the difference in the energy transfer between the Speer GD's 79fpe the 92fpe from the Winchester Varmint HV, the last round I fired was the Winchester and for a second I thought to my surprise it passed through the whole book because it popped the twist on cap off the top of the heavy jug I had behind it and water shot up about 10"-12", I was surprised the 12-13fpe difference was that noticeable.

OV-1D · December-15-16 09:12

Thanks Django nothing like pictures to get your point across and the rest is all Greek .

bleak_window · December-15-16 16:12

Django, your research is very much appreciated. I have used the Gold Dots since they came out and have been happy with them in all my .22 Magnum handguns. I recently found a brick of the .50gr Federal Game-Shok, but they seem more suitable for longer barrels. I could not get good accuracy from shorter barreled handguns. I would like to find some of the Winchester SuperX in .40gr for testing, but so far the Gold Dots have been excellent performers.

Canoeal · December-22-16 22:12

Yep in the BW it is Gold Dots, in the 4" it is Hornady FTX...Just seems what works best. As a backup, 40gr Maxi Mags, but they add a flamethrower into the mix, and don't expand out of a handgun....

seaotter · January-31-17 09:01

Just. Want to say "Thank you!" for all of your hard work. I found the information to be extremely useful!

glock holiday · January-31-17 14:01

Wow thx for all the nice info there, not a lot of peeps get out there and do test like that....Copied and pasted thx....

Django2442 · January-31-17 16:01

No problem, I have some more ammo to test when the winter ends, also going to do the pug and 32acp, when I'm done I'll consolidate all the data.

dbrn · January-31-17 16:01

Thank you for taking the time to do this.