Shot my new Black Widow and Mini Master

dale_az · January-16-17 19:01

Today I took out 3 Mini's to shoot. My old Pug, New Black Widow and new Mini Master.
I started out shooting all three with LR rounds. All went well. I think the BW and the MM are more accurate than me, and more accurate than the Pug. Makes sense.

Next I loaded up some 22mag in each. In the PUG and BW I had many times where the Cylinder pin would come loose and move forward, not letting me "cock" the hammer. They both have the newer style cylinder pin??, I didn't think these pins had trouble with coming loose? I've never had this happen before when firing the PUG with Mags. (The BW is new) I tried tightening up my grip, but still had problems with both guns. I shot the same ammo in the MM and it didn't happened in that one.

Anyone else had this happen with the new style cylinder pins? Wondering if I should contact NNA? They seem to shoot fine other than this?

Thanks,
Dale - AZ

OV-1D · January-16-17 20:01

Can we get pictures of just where the cylinder pin ended up Dale ?

dale_az · January-17-17 19:01

Quote from: OV-1D on January-16-17 20:01
Can we get pictures of just where the cylinder pin ended up Dale ?

Hi OV-1D, I should have taken a picture while I was out shooting but I didn't think of it.
Here is a picture I just took that shows approx what I'm talking about.
(Sorry the gun is dirty, haven't cleaned it yet. )

theysayimnotme · January-17-17 19:01

If that's the way you shot it it's no wonder you had a problem The pin needs to be back in the slot. If that's how it wound up I can't possibly imagine how it could jump to there. You have to pull the whatchamacallit down to get it to go forward. Maybe a missing spring? That was a quick reply before I had even finished adding to my comment.

dale_az · January-17-17 19:01

Quote from: theysayimnotme on January-17-17 19:01
If that's the way you shot it it's no wonder you had a problem The pin needs to be back in the slot.

No, I didn't shoot it this way. The pin was in the slot. This is how it ended up after the shot was fired.

Bigbird48 · January-17-17 20:01

Yikes my BW has never done that with cci mags in it

OV-1D · January-17-17 20:01

Dale you should talk to the NAA smithy because that just doesn't happen . Sounds like a real weak spring or no spring at all . Good luck .

theysayimnotme · January-18-17 01:01

Are the cylinder pins interchangeable, they seem to be the same from the pictures? See if they all require the same amount of effort to pull the piece down. If you have a chance to fire them again you might try the pin that works in the other two. Seems very strange. I had the problem with my Black Widow but after they installed the new pin I haven't had any problem.

Scott Free · January-18-17 02:01

It seems very strange that this happened with both the "old" Pug and the "new" BW. I can't be a defect in both guns. Could the pins have gotten mixed between the two guns? In other words, could you be using the Pug pin in the BW and the BW pin in the Pug?

top dog · January-18-17 07:01

Dale,
I agree with OV-1D and you should contact NAA and ask them about this. These newer pins were designed to eliminate this problem that occurred with the older designs.

Top Dog

dale_az · January-18-17 17:01

Quote from: OV-1D on January-17-17 20:01
Dale you should talk to the NAA smithy because that just doesn't happen . Sounds like a real weak spring or no spring at all . Good luck .

Thanks OV-1D, I'll give them a call tomorrow and run it past them. I still wonder if it was my grip, but like I said I usually keep a pretty good grip, and I even tried tightening it up. Its never happened in previous outting with the PUG, but I usually shoot more LR than Mag. I just happen to have a lot of mag shells right now, so I shot more. I was shooting mostly Winchester mags, but then I tried some CCI's and the same thing happened.

Quote from: theysayimnotme on January-18-17 01:01
Are the cylinder pins interchangeable, they seem to be the same from the pictures? See if they all require the same amount of effort to pull the piece down. If you have a chance to fire them again you might try the pin that works in the other two. Seems very strange. I had the problem with my Black Widow but after they installed the new pin I haven't had any problem.

Yes, the cylinder pins are interchangeable. I didn't think to switch them out, might try that next time.

Quote from: Scott Free on January-18-17 02:01
It seems very strange that this happened with both the "old" Pug and the "new" BW. I can't be a defect in both guns. Could the pins have gotten mixed between the two guns? In other words, could you be using the Pug pin in the BW and the BW pin in the Pug?

I thought it was strange too. I was very careful to keep the pins and cylinders with their respective gun. I may try switching the pins next time out. That way I keep wondering about grip? User error? Strange. I'm not new to shooting and I always thought I have a pretty good grip even on the small frames.

Thanks all for the thoughts. I need to make another trip out to the desert to give it another go and try a few more things. In the mean time, I'll call NAA just to run it past them.

Dale - AZ

glock holiday · February-02-17 01:02

Hello dale, I hope naa resolves that problem your having...I just wanted to ask if you live near phx, I see you said out to the desert...I live west of phx out in buckeye...nice to see other peeps near me....thx Rick

dale_az · February-05-17 18:02

Quote from: glock holiday on February-02-17 01:02
Hello dale, I hope naa resolves that problem your having...I just wanted to ask if you live near phx, I see you said out to the desert...I live west of phx out in buckeye...nice to see other peeps near me....thx Rick

Hi Rick. I'm sure NAA will be helpful. To be honest, I haven't called them yet. 2 reasons...1) just been too dang busy with work and 2) I figured I would head out and shoot both guns again and get more info before I call them.
Yes, I live in the Phoenix area, Gilbert actually. So I'm on the east side. I used to keep a airplane at the Buckeye airport so I'm pretty familiar with that area too.

Dale

dale_az · March-31-17 19:03

Ok, I'm finally able to update this old thread. I took my 3 magnums (Pug, Black Widow, Mini Master) out to do some shooting again last weekend. I wanted to shoot them again before contacting NAA Customer Service just to make sure it wasn't me. Well the same thing happened with the cylinder pin jumping out when firing magnum rounds. It would happen about 1 in 5 shots, not every time. I had a friend along who is also an experienced shooter and the same thing happened while he was shooting them. I also have the 22LR cylinders for all my magnum mini's and of course it never happens with 22LR rounds.

On Wednesday I got in contact with NAA Customer Service with my serial numbers. They were as helpful as everyone says. They sent me out new cylinder pins with stronger springs in them. I received them today, and yes they are much stiffer springs than my originals. They are a little harder to pull down out of the groove, but not too bad. I like the way the new ones feel, I'm pretty confident it will rectify the issue.

I hope to get out with them in the next couple weeks and shoot them just to make sure. But like I said, I have a pretty good feeling they will work just fine. I'll update again after shooting.

Dale - AZ