Ejector system on Ranger 2?

[45flint]

Is there a difference from the Ranger 2.  On a unboxing video I saw it seemed similar but way too quick a look.

[RangerJim]

I believe Gray said it just stays extended--rather than popping back like the original Ranger--and then it retracts as you close to breaktop.

[45flint]

I believe Gray said it just stays extended--rather than popping back like the original Ranger--and then it retracts as you close to breaktop.

Didn't seem to do that on the short unboxing video?

[heyjoe]

can someone who has one please answer this question

[RangerJim]

I believe Gray said it just stays extended--rather than popping back like the original Ranger--and then it retracts as you close to breaktop.

Didn't seem to do that on the short unboxing video?

You are correct, Flint.  I just watched the video again, and it appears to snap back when Bert opens it--you can even hear it retract.  Not sure where I read that, but maybe I imagined it.  Wouldn't be the first time!   

[45flint]

I believe Gray said it just stays extended--rather than popping back like the original Ranger--and then it retracts as you close to breaktop.

Didn't seem to do that on the short unboxing video?

You are correct, Flint.  I just watched the video again, and it appears to snap back when Bert opens it--you can even hear it retract.  Not sure where I read that, but maybe I imagined it.  Wouldn't be the first time!   

No Gray did say that it didn't snap back? I looked and I think he edited it out, I know it was there at first post?  If you look at the pics under the joint, very different less rings on the Ranger 2?  Someone should post a UTube showing how the gun works, and take their time.  Opening, ejecting, gun from all the angles?

[45flint]

Actually NAA has done it.  Looks like the ejector snaps back? UTube always delivers! Lol. Jessica's video shows the same thing, wonder if Gray's just got stuck, then unstuck? Lol

https://youtu.be/EOOBoPif1n8

[boone123]

Would have to snap back in order to reload.

[RangerJim]

Cool.  Nice work, NAA detectives ...   

[rogertc1]

Gunblast.com shows it better..   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXj5ISFFspU

[RangerJim]

Gunblast.com shows it better..   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXj5ISFFspU

Yeah, he does.  Unfortunately that's the original Ranger.  Great video, though, Roger.  I've got that one bookmarked.   

[MtGoat]

As Boone123 already stated it would need to lower in order to reload the cylinder.

I am also curious on how he removed the cylinder.
Does it line up with the flutes in the cylinder or did BB covertly lift a latch slightly?

He is just teasing us 

Pat

[rogertc1]

Opps  I am bad. Here you go

[OV-1D]

  Rogerts is that the fullest push out for the ejector you have that picture of ?

[Bigbird48]

Gessh Unc don't feel bad, mines here and I still don't have it . Is it possible to miss a gun?? 

[redhawk4]

It seems that the ejector is not working properly, due to a manufacturing fault, on the Ranger II's below serial #50, you need to immediately box them up and return them to the factory, they should get to yours and have them back to you sometime in June 2018 when the Ranger II production has stabilised

[Ruger]

It seems that the ejector is not working properly, due to a manufacturing fault, on the Ranger II's below serial #50, you need to immediately box them up and return them to the factory, they should get to yours and have them back to you sometime in June 2018 when the Ranger II production has stabilised

Thanks.  That felt kinda good . . . 

[AZRanger]

It seems that the ejector is not working properly, due to a manufacturing fault, on the Ranger II's below serial #50, you need to immediately box them up and return them to the factory, they should get to yours and have them back to you sometime in June 2018 when the Ranger II production has stabilised

I contacted Jessica about the new Ranger II ejector not automatically retracting when the cylinder is fully open. This is how she explained it...


"As far as the ejector goes, all of the models will be like yours. In the video I had done, it was a pre-production model and yes, the ejector retracted back. However, we since discovered some issues with the spring that did so, and so unfortunately we had to do away with that feature. So, it is normal for the ejector not to retract until closing the cylinder."

[redhawk4]

I don't like to really mention it, but given the problems that have held up the Ranger production, there's a possibility there might be some issues with the first batch of Rangers too, not necessarily with the ejector, that was just an attempt at humor, but if there have been some out of spec parts supplied etc. - the "lucky ones" might be glad that NAA has brilliant customer service.

[grayelky]

I can't say what NAA had in mind, but, mine will raise the emptiesto a point, and the extractor will remain there until the barrel is lowered again. The BT ejector would snap back to the closed position once it reached a certain apex.

If this reminds you of mud, let me know and I'll try again.

[Bigbird48]

As soon as Rick is done making holsters with mine I'll box it and return it to NAA for fix. That should be around June 2018

It seems that the ejector is not working properly, due to a manufacturing fault, on the Ranger II's below serial #50, you need to immediately box them up and return them to the factory, they should get to yours and have them back to you sometime in June 2018 when the Ranger II production has stabilised

[Uncle_Lee]

Gessh Unc don't feel bad, mines here and I still don't have it . Is it possible to miss a gun?? 

What???

[45flint]

I can't say what NAA had in mind, but, mine will raise the emptiesto a point, and the extractor will remain there until the barrel is lowered again. The BT ejector would snap back to the closed position once it reached a certain apex.

If this reminds you of mud, let me know and I'll try again.

This is interesting cause the videos I've seen don't show this?  Could it be yours isn't working correctly?  I would think others would have said something, but maybe they don't have a Ranger 1 and have nothing to compare it to?

[Bigbird48]

What ---What???

Gessh Unc don't feel bad, mines here and I still don't have it . Is it possible to miss a gun?? 

What???

[grayelky]

I can't say what NAA had in mind, but, mine will raise the emptiesto a point, and the extractor will remain there until the barrel is lowered again. The BT ejector would snap back to the closed position once it reached a certain apex.

If this reminds you of mud, let me know and I'll try again.

This is interesting cause the videos I've seen don't show this?  Could it be yours isn't working correctly?  I would think others would have said something, but maybe they don't have a Ranger 1 and have nothing to compare it to?

I suspect the R II operates on a cam. The barrel raises up and the cam pushes the ejector up. The barrel closes, and the ejector lowers. There is a spring under the cylinder, keeping tension on the extractor. On the Break Top, the barrel raises up and the ejector raises up, and at a given point, it snaps back down. Having never shot either one, I suspect both will require the cylinder to turn towards the ground so gravity can assist with removing the empties.

I'll be very patient and wait till more hit the streets and others report back in. IF mine is supose to operate like the BT, I'll let Ms Jessica know then. I don't need this corrected any time soon, if it is needed.

[MtGoat]

I got to play with a BT Ranger today and paid particular attention to the ejector.

I am not saying this is the way it is supposed to function but rather how it did.

As Greyelky said you open the action and nothing happens for about halfway opening.
At that point the extractors start to raise until the action is fully opened.
They did not snap down like on a Ranger.
As you close the action to about halfway the extractors lower then bottom out.
I didn't have a speed loader to check but they may not fit well when the action is half closed.
The extractors opened to where they were almost the length of an empty 22LR.

I didn't get to check out much more as my turn was up but knew people were interested in how the extractors worked.

These are extractors not ejectors.  There does not appear to be any ejection going on 

Pat

[redhawk4]

You are correct, that they are extractors not ejectors. I'll be interested to see the new system on the Ranger II, the Ranger I system required a bit of practice not to open too far before flicking the shells out from what I recall, so the new version might be an improvement. In my own mind I know how I'd have it working ideally, I'd use a very steep cam angle so the shells only pop up at the end of the opening stroke, thereby giving you room to use a speed loader. I would also use a spring that would bring the barrel back to the position where it wasn't on the cam and use a "forked" follower that would pull the extractor down as well as the barrel came back  - like Desmodromic valves on a Ducati where the cam opens and shuts the valves.

[MtGoat]

A bit of an update.
Speed loaders will be no problem.
The action opens maybe 70 or 80 degrees before you "feel" the cam start to lift the extractors.
The action goes maybe 20 degrees past 90 to where the extractors are at full open.
The extractors are cut rather deep into the cylinder so they may look like they don't extend a long way they should work fine.
The tensioner actually is a bit stronger than I first recalled and assists in pulling the extractor down to a neutral position for reloading or use of a speed loader.

I hope to be able to get some photos by this weekend.
All in all it is not a Ranger but I believe everyone will be very happy with the Ranger II.

Pat

Now to find someone to actually allow me to shoot it.
I will bring the shells

Pat

[Bigbird48]

yes shooting it may be different as the casings expand some. I know sometimes on my minis I have to take the pin and push out a casing thats stuck. Hopefully the extractor is ruged enough to pull the tight casings out.

[Bigbird48]

Short video on the ejector or what ever you want to call it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rwyLlg6TWo

[45flint]

Short video on the ejector or what ever you want to call it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rwyLlg6TWo

Thanks that explains it well!

[Lemon]

It will be interesting to see how the Ranger II preforms. As I said in another post the first Rangers were, for the most part, put away as collection pieces and saw little use. I have a sidewinder and I never take it out to shoot without carrying a rod to help push out the spent casings. When the casings stick tight I do not want to stress my ejector trying to push them out. All the pressure is on your finger so you can feel just how much pressure you are applying. With the cam action of the Ranger it appears to me that the ejector rod could become damaged if forced to eject out stuck casings. And I hope that never happens but I do think the Ranger II will see more use and that it is possible to start seeing such problems appear. I enjoy my sidewinder, Mr. Pugsley, very much.

[Bigbird48]

I'll be shooting mine soon so we'll see how it works when fired

[Uncle Fatso]

Short video on the ejector or what ever you want to call it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rwyLlg6TWo

Thanks Bert!

[45flint]

It seems that the ejector is not working properly, due to a manufacturing fault, on the Ranger II's below serial #50, you need to immediately box them up and return them to the factory, they should get to yours and have them back to you sometime in June 2018 when the Ranger II production has stabilised

I contacted Jessica about the new Ranger II ejector not automatically retracting when the cylinder is fully open. This is how she explained it...


"As far as the ejector goes, all of the models will be like yours. In the video I had done, it was a pre-production model and yes, the ejector retracted back. However, we since discovered some issues with the spring that did so, and so unfortunately we had to do away with that feature. So, it is normal for the ejector not to retract until closing the cylinder."

I completely missed Jessica's explanation the first time around, must be getting old!