New and improved Hornady 45gr

[The Dawg House]

I took the flex tip out and made them true hollow points.

[Canoeal]

Already been tried. Shoot it into gelatin that way, and it expands too fast. and looses penetration. Shoot it into gel/denim, it clogs...
But go ahead,try for yourself...

[The Dawg House]

Already been tried. Shoot it into gelatin that way, and it expands too fast. and looses penetration. Shoot it into gel/denim, it clogs...
But go ahead,try for yourself...

Already tried. Got great penetration. Even better through denim. Thanks for the info though.

[Canoeal]

Good! Because my info was from the guys at the shop/range where I go to shoot. Glad it might work...

[redhawk4]

It's worrying if Hornady doesn't know best.

[The Dawg House]

It's worrying if Hornady doesn't know best.

Who said they didn't?

[heyjoe]

at worst taking the tip out may lead to the tiny hollow point becoming clogged, not opening then it will act like a fmj. 

[The Dawg House]

Already been tried. Shoot it into gelatin that way, and it expands too fast. and looses penetration. Shoot it into gel/denim, it clogs...
But go ahead,try for yourself...

In my opinion, all that shooting ammo in bare gel and denim covered gel is a ruse. It's only going to give you a generalized idea about how ammo will respond. It could never account for flesh and bone.

[grayelky]

In my opinion, all that shooting ammo in bare gel and denim covered gel is a ruse. It's only going to give you a generalized idea about how ammo will respond. It could never account for flesh and bone.

I agree. However, it will let you have an idea of how it compares to other rounds fired into the same medium.

[Canoeal]

Already been tried. Shoot it into gelatin that way, and it expands too fast. and looses penetration. Shoot it into gel/denim, it clogs...
But go ahead,try for yourself...

In my opinion, all that shooting ammo in bare gel and denim covered gel is a ruse. It's only going to give you a generalized idea about how ammo will respond. It could never account for flesh and bone.

So, apart from that, how do you prose to test it? Shoot someone? That would be the only better test...Right now as far as I know gel is the best testing we have to compare...No it ain't perfect, nothing in this world is.

[LHB]

You could spend a little bit of money, and buy several beef loins, and shoot them to test in real flesh.

Article I read in the 60 of an interview with John Thompson, and he said that there would never be tests on/for another cartridge like they did on the 45 acp, because they shot human cadavers, as well as livestock, and even 50 years ago, no one was going to OK shooting a cadaver.

[ikoiko]

Paul Harrell does various tests using "meat targets".

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC6QH13V2o68zynSa0hZy9uQ

[redhawk4]

It's worrying if Hornady doesn't know best.

Who said they didn't?

You I guess if you felt removing the tips improved performance .

[The Dawg House]

Already been tried. Shoot it into gelatin that way, and it expands too fast. and looses penetration. Shoot it into gel/denim, it clogs...
But go ahead,try for yourself...

In my opinion, all that shooting ammo in bare gel and denim covered gel is a ruse. It's only going to give you a generalized idea about how ammo will respond. It could never account for flesh and bone.

So, apart from that, how do you prose to test it? Shoot someone? That would be the only better test...Right now as far as I know gel is the best testing we have to compare...No it ain't perfect, nothing in this world is.

Funny. My point is the way a bullet responds when it hits a human body is completely different than bare gel. Better said...not entirely predictable. I've heard stories from my Law enforcement buddies of people surviving multiple 45 shots. Then some who died from one shot from a 22. Again, bare gel performance is only going to give you an "idea" of how the bullet will respond.

[OV-1D]

  Myself I just don't get wanting to put hotter and hotter loads into these little bastard minis . What did that gun do to you all , what punishment is enough . Its no wonder they fail especially with this new model . I got an idea ....stick a piece of C-4 stuffed into the casing and there you go , with Teflon tip you can penetrate 1/4 steel , gun should be good for at least four or five rounds than get out the flack jacket , maybe put that on before hand just in case . GIVE THE GUN A BREAK AND NAA FOR REPAIRS . Strictly an opinion mind ya . Biggest mistake making a magnum in minis , ask Freedom Arms which gave up the line .

[The Dawg House]

  Myself I just don't get wanting to put hotter and hotter loads into these little bastard minis . What did that gun do to you all , what punishment is enough . Its no wonder they fail especially with this new model . I got an idea ....stick a piece of C-4 stuffed into the casing and there you go , with Teflon tip you can penetrate 1/4 steel , gun should be good for at least four or five rounds than get out the flack jacket , maybe put that on before hand just in case . GIVE THE GUN A BREAK AND NAA FOR REPAIRS . Strictly an opinion mind ya . Biggest mistake making a magnum in minis , ask Freedom Arms which gave up the line .

I like the mag over the long rifle. Unfortunately, I learned the hard way that these little guys aren't really designed 1 to 2K rounds at the range. I destroyed the cylinder pin notch with my 1 5/8" barrel mini. NAA fixed but IMO that is a really bad design. The PUG cylinder pin can withstand more punishment from the mag round because of it's design.  It is my carry gun 80% of time so im not going to destroy it on the range. Only shoot about 10-15 rounds when trying new ammo.

[Canoeal]

You could spend a little bit of money, and buy several beef loins, and shoot them to test in real flesh.

Article I read in the 60 of an interview with John Thompson, and he said that there would never be tests on/for another cartridge like they did on the 45 acp, because they shot human cadavers, as well as livestock, and even 50 years ago, no one was going to OK shooting a cadaver.

Wouldn't beef loins be drained of blood? Not the same as fluid dynamics would be different.

[riadat]

I carry that load every day with the flex tips.  And the 90 grain lite pink box .38 in my air weight.  Also with the flex tips.   I always feel like i may not get the best performance but it is going do make a nice hole and someone won't like it.

[autofull]

lhb is correct. i read the thompson-la guarde testing results many years ago. very real and informative.