NAA 22 short mini revolver test

[seaotter]

Ok, this is actually a gel test of the 22 short round, but the tester is shooting it out of an NAA short mini revolver. The test isn't perfect, IMHO, but I still found it interesting, as it is the first time I have actually seen one of them used in a video. I THINK it's a 22 short mini. He shows it off pretty well. It's definately an NAA though.

https://youtu.be/OdmpFWzMulY

[Bigbird48]

The knife thing was funny LOL you notice no fabric, I think if he put that hunk of cloth over the gel and tried that with the knife he probability would of had very little penetration.    

[Rick_Jorgenson]

With the .22 Short you can keep a distance of 3 or 4 feet and you have 5 rounds

With the knife you need to be right on someone to stab them.  More than likely,  they will be fighting and you may not get the penetration shown in the gel. 

And... you may not get 5 stabs in

Safe Distance + Make the Perp uncomfortable from bleeding (Gun shot wounds, several, carry 2 NAA's) = safer than a knife fight with some crack head

Just my opinion

[seaotter]

I feel the same. I am sure that  the whole knife thing was totally a Dad Joke. I wished he had used more types of 22 short ammo, as his test group was awfully small. I personally think that the littlest rounds did pretty well!

[Rick_Jorgenson]

I feel the same. I am sure that  the whole knife thing was totally a Dad Joke. I wished he had used more types of 22 short ammo, as his test group was awfully small. I personally think that the littlest rounds did pretty well!

OK,  I'll give the knife thing a pass then.  Our dad jokes need that!! lol!!

There has been .22 short available at gun shows, there is usually only a couple brands so maybe thats what was available?

As far as penetration..... any is better then none!  No one likes to bleed out of 5 holes in their body!

[RogueTS1]

With the .22 Short you can keep a distance of 3 or 4 feet and you have 5 rounds

With the knife you need to be right on someone to stab them.  More than likely,  they will be fighting and you may not get the penetration shown in the gel. 

And... you may not get 5 stabs in

Safe Distance + Make the Perp uncomfortable from bleeding (Gun shot wounds, several, carry 2 NAA's) = safer than a knife fight with some crack head

Just my opinion

At three feet I will take my Hisshou over the .22 short. It is wicked sharp, and in the hands of a skilled sabre fencer, it will carve off pieces of flesh as well as probably limbs in a second or two. It will penetrate well further than necessary to kill. Cuts win the fight more so than stabs.     

[theysayimnotme]

With the .22 Short you can keep a distance of 3 or 4 feet and you have 5 rounds

With the knife you need to be right on someone to stab them.  More than likely,  they will be fighting and you may not get the penetration shown in the gel. 

And... you may not get 5 stabs in

Safe Distance + Make the Perp uncomfortable from bleeding (Gun shot wounds, several, carry 2 NAA's) = safer than a knife fight with some crack head

Just my opinion

A distance of 3 to 4 feet can be closed VERY quickly. You would be lucky to get in two shots with a determined attacker.

[seaotter]

Ok, I get it. I carry a knife as well. And I view my 22 Lr (I don't own a shorty) as just one defensive tool, not my only tool. If I used my mini in a self defense situation, I would use it as a screen. Hopefully the noise, flash, and pain of being shot would discourage the attacker enough that I would be able to escape. If not, then I would have to go for the knife. I see the mini as a tool to get time and space, while a knife is something else altogether.

[cbl51]

Again, a test that has little to do with reality.

Yes, 3 or 4 feet can be closed very quickly, but getting shot while attempting to close is going to hurt like hell and slow you down a bit. Maybe even result in getting shot a second or even third time. trying to use a knife against someone who has a gun, and is not a brain dead zombie, is coming from way way behind. Even a itty bitty little rimfire mini is one hell of an advantage over a knife, I don't care what kind of super duper ninja knife the other guy has and what delusions he's under. 

Sean Taylor was a pro NFL football player and was a big, fast, in shape guy. Unfortunately he had a little trouble with the law and could not have a firearm. So the night his home was invaded he had to defend it with a machete. The skinny little meth head punk shot him in the leg with 9mm, and Taylor bled to death. How many of us are as big, fast and in shape as Sean Taylor?

But as for .22 short, it's still a bullet penetrating the body which is a very bad thing. With 6 to 7 inches of penetration, that's enough to takeout a liver, heart, or other important target. How many people have been killed in past ages by a needle sharp 6 inch stiletto shoved into the body? Heck, there's been people killed in prisons with a license plate material shank a few inches long stuck into the victim. And with the .22 short, you can deliver up to 5 punctures keeping out of art reach while retreating. With the knife, you have to get close enough to touch for it to be any good. Not a good idea if the other person has any kind of firearm at all and is even a little familiar with it.

My own experience with .22 short was back in that D.C. alley in 1969. The guy with the crowbar was close enough to swing at my head, and missed only because I was young quick and scared witless. The first shot from the Italian made Sharp's derringer reproduction hit him low in the stomach and stopped him for a moment, and when he came again, the second shot he dropped the crow bar, doubled over, he slowly went to his knees, and then fell over on his side doubled up in a tight fetal position, all the while making sounds of extreme pain. I guess with only the limited penetration of the .22 short, it must have hit something that hurt like hell to double him over and stop his attack immediately. I really don't think a knife would have been a very good weapon that night.

A gun, any gun that goes bang and throws a bullet, beats a knife. No matter what kind of exotic Asian blade is being used with the way the dancing tiger or swooping canary.

[Uncle_Lee]

Or belching buzzard...

[Bigbird48]

Guess some forgot, Never Bring a Knife to a Gun Fight

anybody else having trouble with this site this morning??

[ikoiko]

No problems here.

[Uncle_Lee]

Working good for me.

[Bigbird48]

I was getting no connection errors , then it would work then it wouldn't again, seems ok now.

[swolf]

I LOVE my shorty, and have shot it more than my BW.  My shorty is the most likely gun to grab walking out the door for errands, and all the reports and info I have seen over the years just reinforce the concept that ANY gun presented (or fired) in an encounter is more effective than presenting any other weapon.

For the more daring and reckless--those not concerned with what a lawyer might say--there are rounds that can be cut to fit the shorty.  If I remember right, I think the heavy Sniper Sub Sonic has a short case and gives a heavier lead pill than the regular short round.  A search would turn up some old posts that address cool and crazy things you can do with a shorty.  I'm still waiting for .22 short bird shot or some hack to dyi.

[seaotter]

I know from personal experience that when bullets travel in my general direction, I look for cover and an escape route. I suspect most people react in the same way. Especially a criminal sort, who has nothing to gain and a whole lot to lose if he gets hit. I would hate to depend on any NAA revolver if faced by a crazed addict or terrorist, but I try to stay out of areas where such things would be likely. If someone tried to hijack my car or to mug me, I am fairly certain that a couple rounds of almost any 22 ammo would discourage them.

[RogueTS1]

Yes, 3 or 4 feet can be closed very quickly, but getting shot while attempting to close is going to hurt like heck

3 or 4 feet needs no closing. I was talking of a proper fighting knife, not a pocket knife.

I also was speaking under the assumption that we were the one being accosted at less than 4 feet and had to choose between pulling our .22 short or a larger proper fighting knife. The knife is coming out faster and at 3 feet the knife is going to be much more dangerous than a .22 short. Slice and dice and if said bad guy steps back then pull pistol and let the bullets do the chasing. 

PS: the knife wielder must have at least a bit of skill or the pistol is a better choice. One who uses his arms when wielding a blade had better stick to projectile fighting; even at super close quarters. 

I highly doubt Sean Taylor was any kind of swordsman.
"If I had to kill an Ox; a machete would be my first choice Your Grace." Mr. Archibald Cunningham; Rob Roy. 

[swolf]

Archibald Cunningham: He's a fair hand with a cleaver, it must be said.

Duke of Argyll: Oh, you do not think much of our highland weapons?

Archibald Cunningham: If I had to slaughter an ox, your grace, a Claymore would be my first choice.

[RogueTS1]

Archibald Cunningham: He's a fair hand with a cleaver, it must be said.

Duke of Argyll: Oh, you do not think much of our highland weapons?

Archibald Cunningham: If I had to slaughter an ox, your grace, a Claymore would be my first choice.

Another fan ................. I love it.

Pretty close but not quite foppish enough. LOL 

Actual: 

Duke of Argyll: Did you see Guthrie here at work Mr. Cunningham?

Archibald Cunningham: He's a fair hand with a cleaver, it must be said.

Duke of Argyll: Oh, you do not think much of our Highland tools then?

Archibald Cunningham: If I had to kill an ox; a claymore would be my ffffiiirrrrsssttt choice, Your Grace. (sneer)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7lhMAOxLxw  (1:42) Words of a true Gentleman Swordsman. 

[Bigbird48]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ua_TZ84hmEA

[swolf]

[/iArchibald Cunningham: If I had to kill an ox; a claymore would be my ffffiiirrrrsssttt choice, Your Grace. (sneer)]

If I could only own 2 videos, I would have Braveheart first, and Rob Roy second.  They both certainly take me back to the days where the honor of a blade and ability to use it superceded the scum they dispatched.  A bit of romanticism to be sure, but an inspiration to the lost arts of Integrity.  I think the romanticism of a wheel gun is possibly our modern equivelant. 

[Uncle_Lee]

I was getting no connection errors , then it would work then it wouldn't again, seems ok now.

OH Those!!!!

I think it is AT&T.
My phone and internet is down about 1/3rd of the time. This has been going on for about 3 months now.

[ikoiko]

Try rebooting your modem (and wireless router if you have one).
Disconnect from power and cable for ~ 1 minute, then connect back up. Do it to computer too.

[Uncle_Lee]

Try rebooting your modem (and wireless router if you have one).
Disconnect from power and cable for ~ 1 minute, then connect back up. Do it to computer too.

I have rebooted, turned off, turned on, disconnected, reconnected, unplugged, re-plugged, & cussed.
It is AT&T.
I have checked with them. They say they are working on it. Spending a lot of time installing new lines and systems.
Some time it off for minutes, some time days. Longest was 3 days.

[OV-1D]

 We never had this problem with pigeons .

[ikoiko]

Try rebooting your modem (and wireless router if you have one).
Disconnect from power and cable for ~ 1 minute, then connect back up. Do it to computer too.

I have rebooted, turned off, turned on, disconnected, reconnected, unplugged, re-plugged, & cussed.
It is AT&T.
I have checked with them. They say they are working on it. Spending a lot of time installing new lines and systems.
Some time it off for minutes, some time days. Longest was 3 days.

Hope they compensate you for the headaches.

[RogueTS1]

Archie makes a great Fop in this movie. Really easy to hate, though I wish at the end he had simply run Roy through rather than stand there gloating.