OK April Soapbox

[Bigbird48]

Coming up on a new soapbox soon, I'm wondering if Sandy will mention the Ranger II dilemma since he was mum last month.I hope so, I'd really like to know whats going on and how the problems are being worked out

[smokeless joe]

It will be interesting to hear what Sandy has to say this month. Wouldn't it be great to hear him say we've identified these problems and they are behind us now. Full steam ahead on the Rangers.

[Clare44man]

I still think NAA missed the mark with the Ranger II.  I'd have been very happy with a simplified design with out the troublesome extractor mechanism.  Break it open, lift out the cylinder, dump it and reload.  With a spare cylinder, you could reload in 2. Seconds, fastest of all the NAA!  It's pretty hard to make a tiny Schofield without serious tolerances issues.  So just give me a Ranger 3 without the extractor and I'll be happy, NAA will be happy, and confidence will be restored.  Think about it Sandy.

[grayelky]

I like the original the best, but feel this design is simpler and will be easy to use. I am also confident they will work out the bugs. Kinda like when an auto maker brings oout a brand new design automobile: there will be "growing pains". I can be patient.

[Kimber1911]

       Clare, did you see the pictures of big brother & little sister ? 45LC & 22Mag #EBII250. Both work perfectly.   TTFN      R

[cbl51]

I still think NAA missed the mark with the Ranger II.  I'd have been very happy with a simplified design with out the troublesome extractor mechanism.  Break it open, lift out the cylinder, dump it and reload.  With a spare cylinder, you could reload in 2. Seconds, fastest of all the NAA!  It's pretty hard to make a tiny Schofield without serious tolerances issues.  So just give me a Ranger 3 without the extractor and I'll be happy, NAA will be happy, and confidence will be restored.  Think about it Sandy.

Now that would be a cool, as it would be a modern remake of the original Smith and Wesson number 1. The great granddaddy of our mini's. I think an in detail remake of the S&W number 1 would be a very cool mini to own and use. Com[lete wit the 7 shot cylinder.

[smokeless joe]

I am also confident they will work out the bugs. Kinda like when an auto maker brings oout a brand new design automobile: there will be "growing pains". I can be patient.

I follow your line of thinking on this one grayelky.

Mine needs to go back but I'm going to wait til everything is identified and addressed then I will send it back for a final once over. Hopefully a quick in and out at that point.

[Bigbird48]

No post yet.
I email Jessica this morning about my Ranger this was her reply
I just spoke with Dustin, our lead gunsmith and we apologize for the lengthy repair time. Apparently there were some issues with the conversion cylinders, and we got that squared away. But then they found an issue with the barrel. Dustin informed me that everything should be taken care of now and we should be able to get it shipped out tomorrow. If I find out differently, I will let you know.

[Canoeal]

Great! You should have it back soon...

[smokeless joe]

No post yet.
I email Jessica this morning about my Ranger this was her reply
I just spoke with Dustin, our lead gunsmith and we apologize for the lengthy repair time. Apparently there were some issues with the conversion cylinders, and we got that squared away. But then they found an issue with the barrel. Dustin informed me that everything should be taken care of now and we should be able to get it shipped out tomorrow. If I find out differently, I will let you know.

Sweet!!!

[Bigbird48]

I'm Hopin

Great! You should have it back soon...

[Uncle_Lee]

It will be right when you get it.

[Bigbird48]

Unc did you see my post in another thread. They said its still gonna shoot High and theres nothing they can do about it Kinda sounds like they have givin up on my gun. They've had it for almost 2 months this time and now they say theres nothing they can do. So how am I suppose to feel about this, 3 times this gun been sent back and there now going to return it to me and its still not right

[smokeless joe]

Unc did you see my post in another thread. They said its still gonna shoot High and theres nothing they can do about it Kinda sounds like they have givin up on my gun. They've had it for almost 2 months this time and now they say theres nothing they can do. So how am I suppose to feel about this, 3 times this gun been sent back and there now going to return it to me and its still not right

[PaducahMichael]

Oh, Man - that is NOT good news. I've always had a lot of faith in NAA, but if they can't make a gun that shoots to poa...

This is very disheartening. I'll let you know if mine are the same when they come back.

I don't want my money back. I want my Rangers to work as they should. Doesn't seem like too much to ask.

[Bigbird48]

I agree I want my gun and I want it to shoot straight whats the point of making a gun if it cant shoot to poa

[redhawk4]

I don't think it's too much to ask that a gun shoots to POA and is accurate enough that the limiting factor is the shooter, particularly for such a small handgun. That's how my other handguns operate - big or small if they could be clamped in a rest they would be more accurate than I can achieve, even though I can get consistent groups. When target shooting that's a big part of the  fun and sense of achievement, being able to have some degree of accuracy and consistency. It's not a lot of fun when you are having to aim considerably off target in an attempt to hit the center.

In a SD situation, you might be so close that it doesn't matter and you aren't really aiming as it's virtually a contact shot, but as I mull different scenarios I can imagine situations where an accurate slightly longer distance shot may be required. You also have to take into account the collateral damage a miss could cause in addition to the fact it hasn't stopped your attacker. If you have doubt about your ability to hit the necessary target with a particular gun, that only makes things worse, since any loss of confidence, in any sort of altercation, immediately puts you at a serious disadvantage.

[seaotter]

I tend to get confused whenever someone says "it shoots high". I mean I can understand being concerned about windage, but unless you are shooting at a specific range all of the time, a shot is always going to be high or low (with fixed sights), depending on range. With a mini, if it's shooting high at 7 yards, it will probably be right on target at 25 yards (the distance I usually shoot at). Unless the sights are really off (  by a foot or so at 7 yards), then it's just a matter of compensating. I often shoot .38  10, 25, and 50 yards (sometimes at 100, although I can barely see the target at that range). I have to adjust for distance, the type of round I am shooting, and a host of other things. A firearm that shoots an inch or two high at 7 yards really isn't a problem. For me. I can't speak for anyone else. Don't misunderstand me! I am not being critical. We all have differing needs and expectations for a firearm. And it's quite possible that I don't fully understand the issue adequately! I would appreciate it very much if someone can explain it to me; there is an awful lot that I still have  to learn! But if your mini really is a foot off at 7 or 10 yards, I would certainly expect it to be fixed or replaced!

[Bigbird48]

My gun was shooting way left and way high at 10 feet. At that distance it would miss a target the size of a human body. If I aimed at the lower right hip (looking at it) left hip actually It might catch the upper left shoulder (right Shoulder) if I aimed center mass it would miss completely and thats not acceptable with any gun.     

[ikoiko]

Soapbox is up.
https://northamericanarms.com/sandys-soapbox/

[redhawk4]

I tend to get confused whenever someone says "it shoots high". I mean I can understand being concerned about windage, but unless you are shooting at a specific range all of the time, a shot is always going to be high or low (with fixed sights), depending on range. With a mini, if it's shooting high at 7 yards, it will probably be right on target at 25 yards (the distance I usually shoot at). Unless the sights are really off (  by a foot or so at 7 yards), then it's just a matter of compensating. I often shoot .38  10, 25, and 50 yards (sometimes at 100, although I can barely see the target at that range). I have to adjust for distance, the type of round I am shooting, and a host of other things. A firearm that shoots an inch or two high at 7 yards really isn't a problem. For me. I can't speak for anyone else. Don't misunderstand me! I am not being critical. We all have differing needs and expectations for a firearm. And it's quite possible that I don't fully understand the issue adequately! I would appreciate it very much if someone can explain it to me; there is an awful lot that I still have  to learn! But if your mini really is a foot off at 7 or 10 yards, I would certainly expect it to be fixed or replaced!

In terms of shooting high or low, you are to a degree correct. It's obviously going to matter what range the sights were "zeroed"  for, but based on the fixed sights, or adjustable sights, for other handguns I have, I don't experience much difference between 7 and twenty yards. When I first got my Ranger I couldn't even hit a letter sized target at 5 yards consistently because it shot way high and to the left, but also really inconsistently, so even when aiming for the bottom corner of the target, some shots would still go right past it. At 7 yards I could not get it on paper.  NAA changed the barrel on it's return and it still shoots high and left, but much less and you can get something that resembles a large group, so there is more consistency involved, but it's not comparable to other NAA's and other pocket handguns in that respect.

[cbl51]

Unc did you see my post in another thread. They said its still gonna shoot High and theres nothing they can do about it Kinda sounds like they have givin up on my gun. They've had it for almost 2 months this time and now they say theres nothing they can do. So how am I suppose to feel about this, 3 times this gun been sent back and there now going to return it to me and its still not right

That is not just disheartening, but downright unacceptable. They made it, it's off, so they need to make it right. What happened to the 'forever warrantee'?

After the third time, they need to replace the gun.

This is why I bought another brand gun instead of the new Black Widow. I'm loosing faith in NAA from what I'm seeing on this forum. 

[bill_deshivs]

It would seem almost impossible for a gun to be that far off at 10 feet, without having something visibly wrong with it.