My Rangers are coming home!

[PaducahMichael]

Received notice of shipping today - supposed to be here Thursday! I'm excited to see them and check them out. A further report will follow when I receive them.

[OV-1D]

  Just noticed Mike "Ranger"S"" , cool you got two . Did you have any problems with them or send in for check up ? I missed it if you posted any probably got mixed up in the shuffle .

[PaducahMichael]

OV, I had all of the "common" problems. Sent them back 2 months ago, so hoping they are just right now!

[Bigbird48]

I just got another update as to the accuracy check at NAA Jessica said They said they did, but it will most likely still shoot a little high, unfortunately at this time, there's nothing we can do about it...
Nothing they can do ahout the accuracy Hmmm whats up with that

[OV-1D]

  Honest BigBird these are not made for Olympic shooting events you know that. Belly guns are seldom any different in shooting , consider the closeness of the hinged area , that whats determining the outcome of the shot . If you feel lucky you can stick a metal rod down the barrel and bend it slightly in the opposite direction till it more centers out . But I didn't say that .

[Canoeal]

  Honest BigBird these are not made for Olympic shooting events you know that. Belly guns are seldom any different in shooting , consider the closeness of the hinged area , that whats determining the outcome of the shot . If you feel lucky you can stick a metal rod down the barrel and bend it slightly in the opposite direction till it more centers out . But I didn't say that .

Watch  it OV you might be called a 'Bubba Gunsmith'...By the gunsmith gods...

[redhawk4]

While no Mini is a target gun, I don't think it's too much to expect them to be able to shoot to the POA and be more accurate than the shooter can reliably achieve, after all my other small handguns can.

[Canoeal]

Maybe, send it back for a refund, and buy one after the issues are fixed?

[bbgun]

Got my 2 Ranger IIs and they needed a gorilla to cock and shoot them.    Sent them back to NAA and got them back a few days ago.   Still no good.  Thinking of trading them back in for something else.  The Ranger IIs are nothing like those smooth as silk Ranger Is.  Any ideas??

[Bigbird48]

Seriously OV, I can take any of my other 6 minis and hit a beer can at 5 feet. At 5 feet with the ranger I'm going to miss it by a foot. I don't think its asking to much to be closer then that. Sorry if you don't agree.

  Honest BigBird these are not made for Olympic shooting events you know that. Belly guns are seldom any different in shooting , consider the closeness of the hinged area , that whats determining the outcome of the shot . If you feel lucky you can stick a metal rod down the barrel and bend it slightly in the opposite direction till it more centers out . But I didn't say that .

[redhawk4]

Seriously OV, I can take any of my other 6 minis and hit a beer can at 5 feet. At 5 feet with the ranger I'm going to miss it by a foot. I don't think its asking to much to be closer then that. Sorry if you don't agree.

  Honest BigBird these are not made for Olympic shooting events you know that. Belly guns are seldom any different in shooting , consider the closeness of the hinged area , that whats determining the outcome of the shot . If you feel lucky you can stick a metal rod down the barrel and bend it slightly in the opposite direction till it more centers out . But I didn't say that .

The point is that while these guns are not meant for Olympic shooting events, any inaccuracy should be coming primarily from the small sights, short sighting radius and minimal grip, not from the gun itself. There may be some limitations based on the barrel length and so on, but compared to other comparable models there is quite a bit left to be desired. I don't expect to be able to shoot a 3" group at 20 yards, but when you are struggling at 5 yards to even keep the shots on paper without huge over correction, that's poor IMO.

[OV-1D]

Seriously OV, I can take any of my other 6 minis and hit a beer can at 5 feet. At 5 feet with the ranger I'm going to miss it by a foot. I don't think its asking to much to be closer then that. Sorry if you don't agree.

  Honest BigBird these are not made for Olympic shooting events you know that. Belly guns are seldom any different in shooting , consider the closeness of the hinged area , that whats determining the outcome of the shot . If you feel lucky you can stick a metal rod down the barrel and bend it slightly in the opposite direction till it more centers out . But I didn't say that .

  I agree totally at five foot it should be alot closer than that , that is pretty miserable . I'm glad I held off buying any of them . Send it back for refund.  Frankly speaking it was a gun that should not have been made especially taking away the value of the first Ranger 1 , I guess my curse worked , sorry guys that voodoo whodo crap you don't mess with .    
P.S. If it makes anyone feel better I wouldn't know if I shot my Ranger1's that if they would hit me in my as* or not . 

[grayelky]

Seriously OV, I can take any of my other 6 minis and hit a beer can at 5 feet. At 5 feet with the ranger I'm going to miss it by a foot. I don't think its asking to much to be closer then that. Sorry if you don't agree.

I, too, would expect "minute of beer can at 5 feet" to not be asking too much.

[heyjoe]

Bigbird send Sandy an email directly and ask him to look into it.

[redhawk4]

Bigbird send Sandy an email directly and ask him to look into it.

I think that's a good suggestion as others have similar concerns. If the current accuracy is all that can be achieved then I certainly would not buy a Ranger II, if that was made clear at outset. I'd wait until you have them back and shoot them before contacting Sandy, then you have a handle on the current state of your Ranger's accuracy to report for his comments.

[PaducahMichael]

OK - they are back home.

A cursory examination indicates they have been fired - maybe a lot. Lots of residue - a GOOD thing.

Operation seems to be just right on one - the other is a little finicky. Might come around.

The hammer is really hard to cock compared to other minis. Hammer spur dug into my thumb in about 5 cocks. Again, this may loosen up with use.

Have not been to the range - maybe tomorrow if time allows, Monday for pretty sure. Will report back after range test.

[bbgun]

Paducah, I just put a Band-Aid over my right thumb when I shoot the Ranger IIs.  I got them back and they are still too hard to cock and shoot.  They can't fix 'em. 

[redhawk4]

Mine is not hard to cock, so it's not some inherent part of the design, so somethings either awry, or someone decided they'd stop any misfires by inserting a truck leaf spring in there

[OV-1D]

 Maybe if NAA would file the frame slightly so the hammer travels closer to the point of impact it would get over this problem . So many antiques I have show point strikes on their cylinders some more so than others so the problem has been that thru the ages and corrected by letting the hammer travel right up to and on to the cylinder . I suppose back then mis-fires could be a real life do or die situation dilemma that can't be ignored . These stout main springs are not the answer to these guns mis-fires , my own opinion . Shave the frames point of contact with the hammer .

[Uncle_Lee]

Just a thought on misfires.
The hammer face (where it strikes the rim of the cartridge) may be too wedge shaped and is cutting the rim instead of mashing it.
A broader hammer face would solve this.   

[RogueTS1]

All this clammer about the Ranger II's hammers being too heavy. Just my note; mine is slightly harder to cock but not by much and of course it has not been fired yet so I believe with a little breaking in it will probably ease up as all the rest have.

[PaducahMichael]

All this clammer about the Ranger II's hammers being too heavy. Just my note; mine is slightly harder to cock but not by much and of course it has not been fired yet so I believe with a little breaking in it will probably ease up as all the rest have.

Perhaps you have stronger hands than some of us. It's all relative.

[RogueTS1]

Maybe; then again maybe I have just been lucky? We never can truly know.

[OV-1D]

  You know nobody has addressed the issue that a NAA mini gun just might not be the gun for them . Because its there to buy doesn't mean they can shoot it properly or effectively without problems . We all know they aren't total crowd pleasers but another type of gun would fit their abilities .

[Canoeal]

No gun, sold to the public, should freeze up, fail to rotate, or shoot a foot off poa @ a 5yds. Stop making excuses.

[OV-1D]

  Not excusing just stating fact for some .

[Don73]

+1 Canoeal , Your statement says it all. I would give NAA credit for trying to solve the problems.

[redhawk4]

No gun, sold to the public, should freeze up, fail to rotate, or shoot a foot off poa @ a 5yds. Stop making excuses.

I also agree. I believe we had a post a while ago from someone who was convinced the Ranger II woes were all nearly entirely due to operator error/incompetence. I believe most on the forum are relatively experienced shooters and certainly would not be doing any of the incredibly stupid things that some consumers can do, that will wreck and cause just about any thing to fail.

A gun is generally a relatively simple mechanical object that should certainly not be prone to having problems, with even the most inexperienced operator, if it's design and manufacturing quality reach reasonable standards. I'm an Engineer who is always building, repairing, fixing and modifying things, but my wife's is not remotely mechanically minded and her shooting abilities amount to loading and pulling the trigger. Of the numerous firearms we own, I've never seen her have any issues, and she can get reasonably on target with just about anything. So I don't buy the idea that somehow NAA's are only suitable for some mystical "ninja" elites who hold their mouths just right when they cock the hammer and pull the trigger. If by some chance they are, then they need some alterations to bring them in line with what other manufacturers produce, so they cannot get off the hook, based on either argument IMO.

[PaducahMichael]

OK, range report on my Rangers. Both seem to be fine in mechanical action and accuracy is as good as I deserve. Did shoot high, but only a tad. They are "keepers" now. Thanks to NAA for doing a fine job on them.

[ikoiko]

Thanks for the update, and glad they are working well.

[Bigbird48]

OK Michael were did you get those boxes?

OK, range report on my Rangers. Both seem to be fine in mechanical action and accuracy is as good as I deserve. Did shoot high, but only a tad. They are "keepers" now. Thanks to NAA for doing a fine job on them.

[nastruck]

Hey PaducahMichael where did you get the boxes? They are sweet!!!!

[Bigbird48]

OK all together now

Michael Were did you get those boxes

[PaducahMichael]

These laser engraved boxes (NICE wood!) came from NAA. Call Sue Sheetz at NAA. She can fix you up with one. For some reason these do not show up on the web site, so you need to call for them. I suppose you could email if you are phone-shy.

However - the blue interior was not part of the box. It comes with plain black foam. There is a cut out for a NAA Magnum and spare cylinder. For the Ranger II I had to re-shape the cut out (no big deal). I then covered the two pieces of foam with blue velvet. I like blue, but red would have looked good, too.

The Rangers are the most expensive NAA minis, so I thought they deserved a nice home.

[Uncle_Lee]

I'm really happy for you Mike..
Bout time they got right.