.22 Trailblazer Lifecard - Smaller Than a Mini ?

pietro · April-30-19 07:04

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https://www.gunblast.com/LifeCard.htm

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cfsharry · April-30-19 08:04

That's why I don't watch Jeff anymore. Never met a gun he couldn't make an excuse for. Give that piece to Hickok and you'll get an honest opinion.....a pretty useless piece.
In my opinion, designed for the collector of dumb guns. Mini much more practical.

bearcatter · April-30-19 09:04

Single shot, no thanks.....

heyjoe · April-30-19 10:04

Quote from: cfsharry on April-30-19 08:04
That's why I don't watch Jeff anymore. Never met a gun he couldn't make an excuse for. Give that piece to Hickok and you'll get an honest opinion.....a pretty useless piece.
In my opinion, designed for the collector of dumb guns. Mini much more practical.

some people just like to collect odd and /or small guns....nothing wrong with that...to each his own.

smokeless joe · April-30-19 17:04

Quote from: heyjoe on April-30-19 10:04
Quote from: cfsharry on April-30-19 08:04
That's why I don't watch Jeff anymore. Never met a gun he couldn't make an excuse for. Give that piece to Hickok and you'll get an honest opinion.....a pretty useless piece.
In my opinion, designed for the collector of dumb guns. Mini much more practical.

some people just like to collect odd and /or small guns....nothing wrong with that...to each his own.

I would consider buying one just for the heck of it. I put a bayonet on a mini just for the heck of it. Practical? No but I like it nonetheless.

Warthog · April-30-19 17:04

I would get one just because I like 22s and would have one to shoot now and then. It isn't a gun I would carry.

cfsharry · April-30-19 18:04

Like I said Joe, for the collector of....dumb guns, as in useless, pointless and perhaps dangerous if someone were to take it as a serious weapon for personal protection.
I think the makers take it seriously.

Canoeal · April-30-19 20:04

Quote from: cfsharry on April-30-19 08:04
That's why I don't watch Jeff anymore. Never met a gun he couldn't make an excuse for. Give that piece to Hickok and you'll get an honest opinion.....a pretty useless piece.
In my opinion, designed for the collector of dumb guns. Mini much more practical.

Twice in one week, we agree!

OV-1D · April-30-19 21:04

WOW you guys are on a roll but don't let it get to your heads .

linux_author · May-01-19 04:05

now in .22wmr (and nope, i don't have the spare Franklins for this one):

theysayimnotme · May-01-19 11:05

I feel bad enough blowing $179 + on the new Ruger revolver. There is no way I would part with even a third of what they are asking even if it were available here in the DPRK.
Now I have to wait for the new revolver to arrive BEFORE I can start the ten day waiting period to pick it up. They can't start the procedure until they have the serial number of the pistol. Save yourselves it's too late for us. It will very likely be June before I have it.

riadat · May-01-19 11:05

i own a heizer pocket shotgun. Weights 20 ounces, one shot, and sort of pointless.

Think originally 500 and i got it for 200. Now for 200 bucks, still pointless, and yet i don't mind owning it for shtf, truck gun, whatever.

So probably that gun right there? 150 bucks used, maybe if it comes along.

My lr mini with boot grip, 5 shots, and a holster weights the same as that single shot and about the same size.

linux_author · May-01-19 14:05

Quote from: riadat on May-01-19 11:05
My lr mini with boot grip, 5 shots, and a holster weights the same as that single shot and about the same size.

Dinadan · May-01-19 15:05

I am kind of surprised that the Lifecard does not fall into the the ATF's AOW (Any Other Weapon) category.

Seems like an over priced novelty item. But it is still kind of cool. If it were real cheap I would enjoy playing around with one for an hour or two.

Boisesteve · May-01-19 18:05

My guess as to why it's not an AOW, and this is only a guess (I don't pretend to make sense of ATF decisions) is that because it has to be manipulated from its collapsed state to use it, that somehow makes it OK.
I can see that it's a cool toy ("hey, check out this thing!") but not for me, especially on my budget.
Steve in Boise

top dog · May-02-19 04:05

I just saw in the most recent issue of Knife Magazine,that a custom knifemaker,Richard Wright,makes a folding knife that also shoots 22lr.

I wonder if that one requires either a $5.00 or $200. tax stamp?

Also goes into one of those "not really useful" categories.

Top Dog

bearcatter · May-02-19 10:05

Reminds me of another way to have a weapon in your wallet. An expired credit card with a sharpened edge. Some cards are pretty stiff and would take enough edge to slash someone a few times....ouch

RogueTS1 · May-02-19 12:05

To be considered an AOW the item must be a disguised firearm. In other words when ready to fire it must not resemble a firearm, but rather appear to be some other known item. When this thing is ready to be fired it appears to be a firearm, not something else.

Ex: a brief case with a smg inside that can be fired while still inside the case. A brief case that holds an smg but can be quickly accessed does not qualify as an AOW.
a wallet that holds an NAA Mini that can be fired with the Mini still inside the wallet vs a wallet that simply holds the gun but one can see that a gun is inside when it is held out.

top dog · May-03-19 04:05

Rogue,
I checked with my ATF friend and this knife/gun combo would basically be listed as an SOT/AOW (any other weapon) and would require a $5.00 tax stamp.

Looking at the photo of the knife,it does look nice but I doubt if with would be very useful as a knife or firearm.

It is one of those things that might be a conversation piece and probably quite costly at that. I do not know what the price is on the knife/gun but I am sure it is not cheap.

Top Dog

RogueTS1 · May-03-19 07:05

Top Dog; you are most likely correct on the knife gun. I would guess, have not seen a photo, that it looks like a knife and not a gun. Hence it would be an AOW and would require a tax stamp in the US.

I was referencing the "Credit Card" gun. It appears to be a gun when ready to be shot.

smokeless joe · May-03-19 07:05

Speaking of aow does anyone know which stamp the NAA wallet holster would cost? $5 or $200

RogueTS1 · May-03-19 07:05

It would cost $200 to manufacturer on a Form 1 or $5 to purchase one already made.

smokeless joe · May-03-19 07:05

Quote from: RogueTS1 on May-03-19 07:05
It would cost $200 to manufacturer on a Form 1 or $5 to purchase one already made.

So if I found and purchased one of the original NAA wallet holsters I would have to pay $5 for stamp and pair it to one of my minis? I find the process (or anything else that the government gets involved in) a bit confusing $:-\$

RogueTS1 · May-03-19 10:05

Not exactly. If you found a wallet holster that has already been registered (manufactured) to the NFA list then you would have to fill out all the proper paperwork and pay your $5.00 tax then wait forever for it to clear and then you would be legal. There is no pairing to an item. The wallet itself is the item and then could be used with any and all Minis you chose to carry it in.

If you simply found a wallet holster for sale and it was not already registered then you would have to Form 1 it (manufacture) and pay a $200.00 tax. Anybody purchasing thereafter would only have to pay a $5.00 tax. The whole NFA thing is a governmental wreck and stupid.

RogueTS1 · May-03-19 10:05

Now you want to hear something really tricky/confusing on this issue?

If I wanted to build a tactical attache case for one of my Mac smg's I would not need to pay any tax. I can simply make one and use it with my Mac's. Since the Macs being smg's are already on the list I do not have to manufacture anything. When put together they are registered due to the smg already being an NFA item and in the books.

Now that is some confusing stuff. I prefer it the way it is but it sure is hard to follow. $:-\$

smokeless joe · May-03-19 14:05

Quote from: RogueTS1 on May-03-19 10:05
Not exactly. If you found a wallet holster that has already been registered (manufactured) to the NFA list then you would have to fill out all the proper paperwork and pay your $5.00 tax then wait forever for it to clear and then you would be legal. There is no pairing to an item. The wallet itself is the item and then could be used with any and all Minis you chose to carry it in.

If you simply found a wallet holster for sale and it was not already registered then you would have to Form 1 it (manufacture) and pay a $200.00 tax. Anybody purchasing thereafter would only have to pay a $5.00 tax. The whole NFA thing is a governmental wreck and stupid.

RogueTS1 · May-04-19 16:05

Quote from: smokeless joe on May-03-19 14:05
Quote from: RogueTS1 on May-03-19 10:05
Not exactly. If you found a wallet holster that has already been registered (manufactured) to the NFA list then you would have to fill out all the proper paperwork and pay your $5.00 tax then wait forever for it to clear and then you would be legal. There is no pairing to an item. The wallet itself is the item and then could be used with any and all Minis you chose to carry it in.

If you simply found a wallet holster for sale and it was not already registered then you would have to Form 1 it (manufacture) and pay a $200.00 tax. Anybody purchasing thereafter would only have to pay a $5.00 tax. The whole NFA thing is a governmental wreck and stupid.

It is a hot confusing mess; dealing with the different Forms and tax stamps for the ATF and the NFA books.

When speaking in NFA terms, manufactured really means registered in the NFA books. Hence an NAA Mini wallet is now a restricted item, if and only if it is placed around a Mini. Prior to that it is merely a wallet with no use. To use it legally it must be "manufactured." This means one must fill out all the proper Form 1 paperwork with photos and fingerprints and a $200 payment to the ATF. After they are background checked and cleared by the ATF they will receive a tax stamp and paperwork stating they are allowed to "manufacture" said AOW. This means they can put a serial number and the name and address of the manufacturer on the wallet and then legally use it with their Mini. Anyone wishing to buy it from the present day owner would then have to file the correct Form 4 paperwork with fingerprints and photo and this time pay a $5 tax stamp to have the AOW transferred into their name and possession.

Hence what tax stamp one would have to pay for an AOW depends on whether or not it has been "manufactured" aka registered in the NFA yet.

autofull · May-04-19 19:05

i own one as i just like the strange and unusual. i paid 200 for it from a friend that had gun fever and kinda made his wife mad. i would never carry it as it is way too slow to operate. naa 22lr mini puts it to shame. but, it is a quality build and most guys have never seen one so i get to show it off a bit.

smokeless joe · May-05-19 02:05

Quote from: RogueTS1 on May-04-19 16:05
Quote from: smokeless joe on May-03-19 14:05
Quote from: RogueTS1 on May-03-19 10:05
Not exactly. If you found a wallet holster that has already been registered (manufactured) to the NFA list then you would have to fill out all the proper paperwork and pay your $5.00 tax then wait forever for it to clear and then you would be legal. There is no pairing to an item. The wallet itself is the item and then could be used with any and all Minis you chose to carry it in.

If you simply found a wallet holster for sale and it was not already registered then you would have to Form 1 it (manufacture) and pay a $200.00 tax. Anybody purchasing thereafter would only have to pay a $5.00 tax. The whole NFA thing is a governmental wreck and stupid.

It is a hot confusing mess; dealing with the different Forms and tax stamps for the ATF and the NFA books.

When speaking in NFA terms, manufactured really means registered in the NFA books. Hence an NAA Mini wallet is now a restricted item, if and only if it is placed around a Mini. Prior to that it is merely a wallet with no use. To use it legally it must be "manufactured." This means one must fill out all the proper Form 1 paperwork with photos and fingerprints and a $200 payment to the ATF. After they are background checked and cleared by the ATF they will receive a tax stamp and paperwork stating they are allowed to "manufacture" said AOW. This means they can put a serial number and the name and address of the manufacturer on the wallet and then legally use it with their Mini. Anyone wishing to buy it from the present day owner would then have to file the correct Form 4 paperwork with fingerprints and photo and this time pay a $5 tax stamp to have the AOW transferred into their name and possession.

Hence what tax stamp one would have to pay for an AOW depends on whether or not it has been "manufactured" aka registered in the NFA yet.

Maybe I'll just get one of Rick's holsters

smokeless joe · May-05-19 02:05

Quote from: autofull on May-04-19 19:05
i own one as i just like the strange and unusual. i paid 200 for it from a friend that had gun fever and kinda made his wife mad. i would never carry it as it is way too slow to operate. naa 22lr mini puts it to shame. but, it is a quality build and most guys have never seen one so i get to show it off a bit.

That's probably how I would end up with one. Used and cheap.

heyjoe · May-05-19 09:05

good explanation. thanks for making it clear.

Quote from: RogueTS1 on May-04-19 16:05
Quote from: smokeless joe on May-03-19 14:05
Quote from: RogueTS1 on May-03-19 10:05
Not exactly. If you found a wallet holster that has already been registered (manufactured) to the NFA list then you would have to fill out all the proper paperwork and pay your $5.00 tax then wait forever for it to clear and then you would be legal. There is no pairing to an item. The wallet itself is the item and then could be used with any and all Minis you chose to carry it in.

If you simply found a wallet holster for sale and it was not already registered then you would have to Form 1 it (manufacture) and pay a $200.00 tax. Anybody purchasing thereafter would only have to pay a $5.00 tax. The whole NFA thing is a governmental wreck and stupid.

It is a hot confusing mess; dealing with the different Forms and tax stamps for the ATF and the NFA books.

When speaking in NFA terms, manufactured really means registered in the NFA books. Hence an NAA Mini wallet is now a restricted item, if and only if it is placed around a Mini. Prior to that it is merely a wallet with no use. To use it legally it must be "manufactured." This means one must fill out all the proper Form 1 paperwork with photos and fingerprints and a $200 payment to the ATF. After they are background checked and cleared by the ATF they will receive a tax stamp and paperwork stating they are allowed to "manufacture" said AOW. This means they can put a serial number and the name and address of the manufacturer on the wallet and then legally use it with their Mini. Anyone wishing to buy it from the present day owner would then have to file the correct Form 4 paperwork with fingerprints and photo and this time pay a $5 tax stamp to have the AOW transferred into their name and possession.

Hence what tax stamp one would have to pay for an AOW depends on whether or not it has been "manufactured" aka registered in the NFA yet.

MR_22 · May-06-19 23:05

A wallet holster cannot be registered as an NFA item. It's just a piece of leather. When you "manufacture" an AOW, you register the firearm as a disguised firearm. But the wallet holster is what makes it NFA. You don't necessarily have to use the same wallet holster, because it's not serialized.

So yes, they really have to be paired to make it NFA, but the only important part is the firearm.

smokeless joe · May-07-19 03:05

Quote from: MR_22 on May-06-19 23:05
A wallet holster cannot be registered as an NFA item. It's just a piece of leather. When you "manufacture" an AOW, you register the firearm as a disguised firearm. But the wallet holster is what makes it NFA. You don't necessarily have to use the same wallet holster, because it's not serialized.

So yes, they really have to be paired to make it NFA, but the only important part is the firearm.

Sounds to me like it's not worth the hassle. That's probably the mission of the lawmakers.

top dog · May-07-19 05:05

Smokeless Joe,
I agree with you on that. Too much of a hassle.

Top Dog

RogueTS1 · May-09-19 07:05

Quote from: MR_22 on May-06-19 23:05
A wallet holster cannot be registered as an NFA item. It's just a piece of leather. When you "manufacture" an AOW, you register the firearm as a disguised firearm. But the wallet holster is what makes it NFA. You don't necessarily have to use the same wallet holster, because it's not serialized.

So yes, they really have to be paired to make it NFA, but the only important part is the firearm.

Yep; Mr 22 is correct. I had it backwards. (I told you it is a hot mess when dealing with this stuff.) You would have to manufacture/register the weapon and then you could use a wallet or just about whatever you could create with said weapon.