Interesting Perspective on Pocket Pistols

pvq · June-29-19 06:06

I posted this as a response in another thread, but it occurs to me this might be of interest to those that have not seen it. I am a 30 year semi-retired LEO, but increasingly when off duty I am carrying my NAA as a primary. I know MANY will disagree, but this is largely my rational.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv6PxB2TqLM

As always all opinions are welcome and thank you for your thoughts.

top dog · June-29-19 06:06

pvq,

You are on the right track. Carry your mini as a primary because then it will always be with you. Bigger pieces get "sometimes left behind"

I have said this many time before,take the advice of Bill Jordan in his Book No Second Place Winner. He has a lot good to say about a nice light weight 22 magnum piece and this was back in 1965!!!

Top Dog

Canoeal · June-29-19 13:06

I agree with the video. I am not an LEO and I ain't lookin' for a gunfight. My BW is enough for now...

Uncle_Lee · June-29-19 19:06

I feel safe using 22 mags.
I think it is big enough.

Astrosaint · June-30-19 10:06

Quote from: pvq on June-29-19 06:06
I posted this as a response in another thread, but it occurs to me this might be of interest to those that have not seen it. I am a 30 year semi-retired LEO, but increasingly when off duty I am carrying my NAA as a primary. I know MANY will disagree, but this is largely my rational.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv6PxB2TqLM

As always all opinions are welcome and thank you for your thoughts.

Greetings:

Since the Douglas Stoneman shooting incident in Florida in the spring of 2018, the Florida Legislature has been debating how to go about arming teachers to protect students, faculty, and staff from armed intruders.

As a Florida Educator myself, this really caught my attention. Some 8 years ago, a school board member put forth a proposal to arm teachers as part of the school defense set of procedures in the event of an active shooter on campus. The proposal was not taken seriously and there were a fair amount of giggles from the community. Douglas Stoneman ended the giggles and the Florida Legislature now permits teachers with proper training to server as "school guardians" if the county school board authorizes school guardians.

Procedures are crystalizing. First, get everyone out of the building. If escape is not an option, secure the students and stand behind whatever barricades that can be erected (tables, desks, even books). Use closet ROOMS if you have them and lock the doors. Make NO noise and turn off the lights.

If a gunman forces his way in or shoots the door out (I saw a youtube video on how small .22 LR can chip holes in wood doors and larger calibers can blow big holes in them), then and only then can you draw your weapon and fire at the intruder to cause the "break contact" and flee. The doctrine set in the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv6PxB2TqLM video would work well in this instance.

Not all of the 67 school districts want to arm teachers. Having a firearm can be distracting to the learning process for students as well as just plain controversial. The debate in the faculty lounges gets lively on this topic. However the NAA .22Mags are small enough for concealment purposes. So are some other "mouse guns" firing .380 caliber or less.

I WILL NOT be carrying when I report to school in August. That is against state law if the school board did not designate you as a "sentinel". I personally am not certain if that is a good idea. However, if too many students are caught carrying stolen 9mm Barettas in their backpacks (one student was caught at the end of last school year in MY school), then I may reconsider the decision because this one 14 year old was walking around with the firearm for as long as 3 months without detection. One pre-teen tantrum and we would have had one or more dead students.

Astrosaint

Ruger · July-01-19 10:07

As I have stated many times before, any size hole, where it doesn't belong, is never good.

bearcatter · July-01-19 11:07

I like the comment how the face of a .45 ACP is twenty-two hundredths of one percent larger than a 9 mm; which is actually a .36 caliber. Bigger is better, by only a speck.

So, roughly, a .45 is only a third of one percent larger than a .32; half of a percent larger than a .22. Energy and velocity aren't particularly that much different, either, when you compare by percentages.

Bigbird48 · July-01-19 12:07

I agree with the video , I have larger guns but seldom if ever carry them, even my airweight 38 is cumbersome to carry all the time, digs into my sides when I sit and all but my American Express BW is always by my side. I really believe any gun is better then no gun and a 22 will make an attacker flee and that's all we want to do. I have no desire to kill anyone even if there intent on killing me I'd rather make them think I'll kill them and make the run. I can't run I have to stand my ground but I'm sure most muggers are capable of running and will do so if some one pulls a gun on them, hell they don't want holes in them either I'm sure.

My 2¢

Ruger · July-02-19 11:07

Quote from: Bigbird48 on July-01-19 12:07. . . . . . . . I have no desire to kill anyone even if there intent on killing me I'd rather make them think I'll kill them and make them run. . . . . . . . . .

Agreed. I just want to be able to get away.

RICKS PLACE · July-02-19 12:07

Glad Uncle Lee feels safe with a .22 Mag. I don't. Nor do I feel safe with a .357, or a .45 ACP. I do feel protected with a 12 Ga. 870 pump, however. I no longer have a 12 Gauge, and seldom have a .357 or .45 except out of reach in my home safe. The main wording is "out of reach". So, I will simply say I am comfortable with my .22 MAG's.

OV-1D · July-02-19 13:07

It's when we have to fear our own government is when I'll carry much bigger . That might be real soon .

bill_deshivs · July-02-19 14:07

With anything bigger than the short barrel .22 LR NAA, you are getting into .380 territory.
As a matter of fact, I believe the Keltec P32 is actually smaller, lighter, and thinner than many of the .22 mag NAAs-and it's a double action, 8 shot .32.
Choose wisely.

Bigbird48 · July-02-19 16:07

Quote from: OV-1D on July-02-19 13:07
It's when we have to fear our own government is when I'll carry much bigger . That might be real soon .

OV won't have to carry, just throw up a sand bag barrier around our homes and man the guns

Uncle_Lee · July-03-19 03:07

Quote from: RICKS PLACE on July-02-19 12:07
Glad Uncle Lee feels safe with a .22 Mag. I don't. Nor do I feel safe with a .357, or a .45 ACP. I do feel protected with a 12 Ga. 870 pump, however. I no longer have a 12 Gauge, and seldom have a .357 or .45 except out of reach in my home safe. The main wording is "out of reach". So, I will simply say I am comfortable with my .22 MAG's.

Ya, That is what I really meant.
Thanks

Astrosaint · July-03-19 05:07

Greetings:

The procedures that I have been given for to armed intruders at school is to run first, hide second, and then barricade and fight off the attacker with water bottles, mobile phones, erasers, books, D sized cells, and dead laptop computer batteries. No, I am not joking. Then the students are to rush the intruder, tackle and pig pile the guy, and have the instructor takes away the gun. Someone has been watching way too much Disney in these parts.

Astrosaint

OV-1D · July-03-19 05:07

Quote from: Bigbird48 on July-02-19 16:07
Quote from: OV-1D on July-02-19 13:07
It's when we have to fear our own government is when I'll carry much bigger . That might be real soon .
OV won't have to carry, just throw up a sand bag barrier around our homes and man the guns

May I add also mine the yard as if its between North and South Korea . Then I'll feel rather safe .Oh have a camera on it all to watch the fun . Might as well have a good laugh before we have to go , up "THERE" I presume .

Bj · July-03-19 05:07

Quote from: Astrosaint on July-03-19 05:07
Greetings:

The procedures that I have been given for to armed intruders at school is to run first, hide second, and then barricade and fight off the attacker with water bottles, mobile phones, erasers, books, D sized cells, and dead laptop computer batteries. No, I am not joking. Then the student are to rush the intruder, tackle and pig pile the guy, and have the instructor takes away the gun. Someone has been watching way too much Disney in these parts.

Astrosaint

I have heard two ideas from teachers. One is a bucket of rocks that could be passed around in case of trouble coming down the hall. The other is wasp spray cans.

Ruger · July-03-19 06:07

Our office receptionist has a can of wasp spray behind her on the credenza. It goes better in court when you need to "prove your innocence."

Astrosaint · July-03-19 06:07

Quote from: Ruger on July-03-19 06:07
Our office receptionist has a can of wasp spray behind her on the credenza. It goes better in court when you need to "prove your innocence."

Brilliant Idea ! Every time my students do an Armed Intruder drill (twice a year), they feel powerless and say that they will die anyway. The Wasp spray would be an unorthodox option for this "pest".

Astrosaint

Doc Holliday · July-08-19 07:07

Retired LEO here with 36 years of service. Just about every handgun caliber you can name, but I regularly carry two NAA 22 mags and feel just fine with that choice!
Doc Holliday

Bigbird48 · July-08-19 19:07

Quote from: Doc Holliday on July-08-19 07:07
Retired LEO here with 36 years of service. Just about every handgun caliber you can name, but I regularly carry two NAA 22 mags and feel just fine with that choice!
Doc Holliday

boots · July-09-19 07:07

The BW 22 mag is always with me and if around the farm usually either a Charter Arms 44 spl or a Ruger Blackhawk depending on the time of the year. On days when I am part of church security it is a Glock 30S but always the BW. I never feel the BW is too little but the others have a different mission.

Boisesteve · July-09-19 18:07

PVQ, thanks for the link to that interesting video. I completely agree with you, TDog, DocH, and also Bill Jordan and Paco Kelly, that the 22mag you have with you is infinitely more useful than the bigger one that got left home because it was too inconvenient to conceal or carry.
I've been a career RN since the spring of '75, the first 20 yrs in an ER that had NO security! Also, it was the definition of a nonpermissive environment, where it was NOT illegal to carry (I had my CCW permit) but was against hospital policy and would have had repercussions if discovered. So I initially had a HiStandard 2shot 22mag, and when the Freedom Arms and then NAA minis came out I upgraded to them. (I've said it before, I wish I hadn't sold the Freedom Arms minis... and I do still have my first NAA, a Spanish Fork 22LR.) Anyhow, with years gone by, I'm glad I made the choice to be armed, glad I was never suspected or discovered, and glad I never had to defend myself with a firearm. Yet if that had been the case, as is said, "better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6".
Steve in Boise