After the Sidewinder where will the innovation lead

[.54Cal_Kidd]

I would love to have a swing out Black Widow or Mini Master. Blued or case hardened would be better.
A single action load gate / mini Colt would be pretty cool. Although after looking at my mini the load gate model would have to be quite a bit wider.
There are already several LR autos out there, I've got a Beretta 21 so I'm covered there.
A mini Desert Eagle in .22 mag would be interesting though.

I want one of these:

[cedarview kid]

LOL 54. I have a 10-barrel .22LR revolver sort of like that one, made by Leinad. It's not my favorite revolver, but I DO think it's pretty cool. Leinad makes a 6-shot revolver that I like better. It technically has 6 barrels, though, because the cylinder is rifled and there is no barrel in addition to the cylinder. It's easier to shoot and less klunky than the 10-shot version.

[Kevin55]

Two small requests.

1 license the CVang grips.  The .22lr grip is too small, needs another finger on the trigger.

2. Longer barrel versions existing models.

3.  Sell the BW in California.

[Uncle_Lee]

Sorry Kevin, that is three requests.

[Maccab]

I think some form of Remington rider pistol, in .25AA would be good, 4" barrel you get the maxium power.

[Uncle_Lee]

.32 acp mini !!!!

[toos]

A reliable, small 22LR automatic would be great. 

I have a Beretta 21A that is large and totally unreliable (how they continue to sell these single shot pistols is beyond me)  and I have a Walther TPH that is wonderful.   Both are in 22LR.  Something reliable, (slightly?) smaller than a TPH in 22LR would be a winner. Make a threaded barrel option and you would not be able to keep them on the shelves. Come to think of it, with or without that option, it still would be a hot item.

I have a Pug (great gun!) and a .22 LR 1 1/8" 22LR revolver will arrive soon.  Would love to get a Sidewinder with conversion cylinder.  The workmanship is first-rate and the ability to deep conceal them makes them great all-the-time guns.  Great products that are also works of art!

[frimsure]

LOL i think they need to adapt the guardian into a 22LR that would be awesome.

[TwoGunJayne]

...a doublestack high cap .22 Guardian! With a swappable long barrel available! Yeaaah!

[.54Cal_Kidd]

toos: I have a Beretta 21 that I bought in '87 and I put whatever ammo I had at the time through it and I can't remember it ever not firing. Of course I just use run of the mill standard .22 and not anything special.

[boone123]

Beretta 21A...
Have two. One will shoot most anything, and the other will only shoot CCI mini mags and most of the time Federal Targets that come in the white bulk packs.
Check several brands to see what works. All 22 ammo isn't the same. The fussy one almost took a swim before I figured it out. First trip out I figured out why it was so cheap. Somebody else had trouble with it, as I could see that the firing pin had been out. It is the one with the deep blue. Only payed $110 for it at a gun show a couple of years ago. I assume the guy couldn't make it work.

[grayelky]

toos- WELCOME TO THE FORUM!
As long as we are dreaming, how about the TPH sized gun in.22 mag?

[boone123]

Had the TPH dream once. Dream came true.

[TwoGunJayne]

Hey Uncle Lee, would your NAA .32 mini look like this except in stainless?

[Kentucky Kevin]

A reliable, small 22LR automatic would be great. 

I have a Beretta 21A that is large and totally unreliable (how they continue to sell these single shot pistols is beyond me)  of art!

I use the remington golden and have probably 95% for practice and the stingers for carry. I have not had any problems with the stingers, but I now carry the mini's as my BUG

[Uncle_Lee]

Hey Uncle Lee, would your NAA .32 mini look like this except in stainless?

I would buy a pair of those.

I like the pocket Remington and it CAN be converted to 32 S&W.

I had and shot a couple of the little Remington replicas and found the loading lever to be the weak point.
It is easer to load them with a loader.

[45flint]

Hey Uncle Lee, would your NAA .32 mini look like this except in stainless?

That's kind of cool, looks like a Pieta?  Any other spur trigger black powder repos out there?

[TwoGunJayne]

Yeah, that's a pietta.

I didn't know they had a .32 cartridge conversion, that's really cool. I'd heard of the cartridge conversion cylinders for Remy 1858 and even a .22 conversion (Kirst conversion.)

Maybe it's time to buy a pair of those .32 BP piettas, they look sweet. I think NAA would have a winner with something like that pocket pattern with a BP cylinder and a .32 acp cylinder.

I haven't seen many BP revolvers with the open spur trigger. It's a bit on the uncommon side.

[Uncle_Lee]

The only conversion cylinder that I can find right now for the 32 S&W is for the .31 caliber 1849 Pocket Colt.

The spur trigger was on a lot of small original black powder revolvers but the Pocket Remington is the only replica that I know of being made.

[CavScout]

Apparently Kirst had a conversion cylinder for the Pietta 1863 three years ago, but is not currently listed:

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?topic=31285.0

And no need to imagine what stainless version would look like. Here's a pic of the nickle version, borrowed from Taylor & Company's site:

[Uncle_Lee]

Thanks,
I know Kirst made one for the little 63 because I had one 6-8 years ago.
I got rid of it because there was no ammo around here for it.

[crh9999999]

Long time viewer, new poster so go easy on my idea.

Being a huge fan of the ar7 survival and the m6 I'd love to see NAA build something up to fit this niche of firearms while incorporating the thompson center swappable rifle/pistol parts idea to fit a backpack/small game hunting/target gun that will load into its own stock when fitted with rifle barrel, or used as small caliber defense gun when fitted with grips and shorter barrel

All this allowing us the consumer to buy one "frame" and configure to that days desire. Beneficial to NAA as they could market to a single "frame" firearm that can be configured to XX amount of applications.  Floating storage stocks, folding stocks, telescoping stocks, different size grips and a whole line of different barrels just to name a few accessories all the while using a simliar swing cylinder as the sidewinder and of course the option of being convertible to expand even more uses.  It seems like a lot but options could expands gradually over time and some parts built with existing machining and setups. I know there are legal issues with some parts of the idea, but il let sandy tweak them out.

I only ask for option to purchase early bird number 1 in return for my idea.

[grayelky]

crh9999999-  WELCOME TO THE FORUM!

[cedarview kid]

Welcome aboard, CRH!

I too love the AR-7. I think it gets an undeserved bad rap. I have the Henry rifle and the Charter Arms Explorer II pistol. Both shoot great.

[TwoGunJayne]

I have one of those Henry AR-7 rifles. They rock. The problem with NAA doing one is that they'd be in competition with another company doing the same thing.

It'd be neat to have a stainless American-made M6 survival rifle with barrel swap multicaliber choices. I think I'd like it if NAA made a "mini folding takedown carbine" of some kind. Recall that some of those M6 rifles came in .22 hornet, so we could have up to 600-800 foot pounds out of an NAA for the first time.
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I was thinking about the Sharps 4-barrel pepperbox we were talking about earlier... the one that also came in .32? Now that I have my hat on straight, I realized that NAA could bring back .17 m2 and .17 hmr with that platform as well since it isn't a revolver. Cartridge setback couldn't jam the thing like in a revolver.

This would bring the calibers for the NAA Sharps to .22lr, .22 mag, .17 m2, .17hmr, .25 NAA, .32acp, and possibly a black powder barrel set. Combine this with barrel length options and there would be a whole lot of versatility off of one single pistol frame. 2 barrel length options would bring the number of possible combinations to 14. That's a whole lot of aftermarket buying once you get a base pistol. Even more calibers could be possible, of course.

Couple this with another future .22 lr and mag ammo shortage one day and shooters could have the options of the seemingly available .17 calibers as a fall back. I never saw a lack of .17 on the shelves this whole time. Use what you can get, right?

[cedarview kid]

Yeah, I would LOVE a 4-barrel derringer in .22 Magnum, 22 LR, and .17 HMR. Why you're at it, let's get one for the new .22 TCM. That would ROCK!

But I'm thinking I want the Mossberg Brownie design instead of the Sharps. BUt let's add the extractor from the EIG version of the Brownie instead of the original Brownie extractor--no parts to lose that way.

[TwoGunJayne]

I call it... the "Ultra Master."

So anyway, I was reading the "Curious, Custom, and Collectible" NAA page.
http://northamericanarms.com/ccc_info

Think they would make me an Ultra Master and a Superhog? I could understand if they're not quite ready to make an "Anaconda" yet.

[boone123]

Fancy jack handle!

[TwoGunJayne]

The secret of a one-hole group at 20 feet every single time?


...20 foot barrel.

[cedarview kid]

I'll take one of those TGJ! Hehe. Looks awesome. I love collecting LONG barrel .22's. I have a bunch--a number of 12-inchers, 9.5, 7, and of course, 6'ers. I'm waiting for the "more reasonable" 9.5-inch Hogleg, though. I think NAA could do that one without much difficulty.

[45flint]

I love long barrel mini 22's as well but 3" boot of my Freedom Arms looks long to me.   Freedom Arms pencil thin barrel just looks longer. 

[Roy Odhner]

Innovation is great, and I've got to admit that I thought the Ranger was awesome when I read the review on Gunblast. However, I'm not all that interested in any innovation unless it involves a grip that is just as thin as the stock grip, but long enought to allow my big hands to get a good grip.

I bought by NAA revolver because I wanted a reliable BUG and occassional primary carry. The simplicity of the design is what interested me in the mini I finally bought. I bought my LC9 for "innovation" reasons. (Really, I just wanted a single stack 9mm for daily carry). But the mini was bought primarily to pull BUG duty. If the LC9 fails me, I want a second weapon that I can count on not to fail - and you can't get much more reliable, rugged, or simple than a SAO revolver.

A heavier caliber might be nice, but you start getting into trade-offs that may or may not have value. Increased size, conealment considerations, ease of shooting, ease of handling, and design complications. NAA's selling point is brand recongnition and filling a unique niche. I think if they start dabbling in too many more areas then they are going to lose their brand identity and that will place their unique standing in the firearms industry at risk. If they try to be too many things to too many people they will cease doing anything very well.

NAA offers a product that fits a very unique set of needs, and obviously a lot of people have these needs: small, simple, rugged, reliable cost effective, and of decent caliber... essentially, a fool proof and last ditch force equalizer. If I wanted a more complicated revolver in a bigger caliber, I'd have gone with Smiff, Taurus, or Ruger - and I think so would most other gun buyers

[cedarview kid]

Innovation is great, and I've got to admit that I thought the Ranger was awesome when I read the review on Gunblast. However, I'm not all that interested in any innovation unless it involves a grip that is just as thin as the stock grip, but long enought to allow my big hands to get a good grip.

Have you checked out some of the pictures of the after-market grips that some of the guys here have been posting? Some of them are longer, such that you can grip with your hand, instead of a few fingers. That might be what you're looking for.

[Ahlywog]

Mateba style .22 mag.

Or because everyone seems to want a .32 ACP..   Mateba style .32 ACP.

[cedarview kid]

Automatic revolver?