New Ruger LCP II Lite Rack .22 LR

Bj · December-30-19 12:12

Interesting, what are your thoughts on this new model?

https://www.ruger.com/products/lcpII/specSheets/13705.html

Canoeal · December-30-19 12:12

For me? Nope.

theysayimnotme · December-30-19 12:12

Why does it weigh more & cost more than the .380 LCP? Thanks, but no thanks.

bearcatter · December-30-19 12:12

It's a .22LR. Smaller hole means more metal! People have been wanting this. I'll still wait for the Guardian version.

Bigbird48 · December-30-19 13:12

really nothing to compare it to yet

RogueTS1 · December-30-19 15:12

I like the original version of the LCP. After a little bit of work and add ons it turns into a very nice carry .380 acp. Not so big a fan of the Version II. Do not like its shape, hate the new trigger. Still has the same crappy sights too.

I will just stick with the original.

Bigbird48 · December-30-19 16:12

Quote from: RogueTS1 on December-30-19 15:12
I like the original version of the LCP. After a little bit of work and add ons it turns into a very nice carry .380 acp. Not so big a fan of the Version II. Do not like its shape, hate the new trigger. Still has the same crappy sights too.

I will just stick with the original.

what did you do to the original to make it better?

OV-1D · December-31-19 09:12

How many times can they invent the wheel , same here todays new age looks just doesn't grab me at all , just give me wood and steel .

RogueTS1 · December-31-19 10:12

Quote from: Bigbird48 on December-30-19 16:12
Quote from: RogueTS1 on December-30-19 15:12
I like the original version of the LCP. After a little bit of work and add ons it turns into a very nice carry .380 acp. Not so big a fan of the Version II. Do not like its shape, hate the new trigger. Still has the same crappy sights too.

I will just stick with the original.
what did you do to the original to make it better?

Paint the sights white and orange. Only thing can do with one of these. Smooth and polish the feed ramp and chamber as well as bevel the sharp edges of the chamber opening. Polish the barrel and hood. Add laser. (Improves aesthetic lines of the gun and gives another aiming device) Add SS guide rod in place of the stock plastic one. Add "Sweet Pee" adjustable metal trigger in place of the crappy plastic one. (Felt like it was going to flex and snap while being pressed) Add the Hogue Beavertail Rubber grips. (Gun wayyyyyy too thin to grip properly) Add Pearce extended Base plates to all the mags.(Gives a much better purchase on such a small pistol)

I believe that is everything. It has been some time since it was upgraded so I may be forgetting something. Add a great leather pocket holster and it becomes a great carry gun.

bearcatter · December-31-19 11:12

Let's see....

.22LR LCP: plastic frame, trigger, and guide rod. Mag safety, trigger safety. About 13 ounces loaded. It is a DA/SA pistol.

.22LR Guardian: No plastic, no safeties, all stainless steel, even the mags. Would weigh about an even pound loaded. No mods needed. DAO action.

Maybe at least it will help NAA consider a .22LR Guardian more seriously.

chutethemall · January-02-20 10:01

I predict this will be a winner for Ruger, and inspire many copycats, assuming it's reliable.
Maybe Kel-Tec, certainly Taurus.

People who would never consider a .25 acp might consider this.

Canoeal · January-02-20 11:01

Quote from: bearcatter on December-31-19 11:12
Let's see....

.22LR LCP: plastic frame, trigger, and guide rod. Mag safety, trigger safety. About 13 ounces loaded. It is a DA/SA pistol.

.22LR Guardian: No plastic, no safeties, all stainless steel, even the mags. Would weigh about an even pound loaded. No mods needed. DAO action.
Maybe at least it will help NAA consider a .22LR Guardian more seriously.

How do you compare the parameters of an existing gun, to the made up parameters of a gun that does not exist? SMH

Canoeal · January-02-20 11:01

So then, just a lot of ASSumptions...Ok how about including the cost of designing and tooling and inventory, to make said gun, and compare it to the sales volume of NAA semi autos? When, if ever does it break even, or post a profit? Unrealistic.

bearcatter · January-02-20 11:01

Quote from: Canoeal on January-02-20 11:01
How do you compare the parameters of an existing gun, to the made up parameters of a gun that does not exist? SMH

Assuming it would be built on the Guardian 32 frame, and the necessary changes, which wouldn't be many, but significant. Main ones; reposition the firing pin to a smaller bore, slide would be lighter, and the .22LR is .4 millimeters longer than a .32 ACP. Magazine size and fit would be different. Smaller bore and magazine well would add weight, lighter slide would balance some of that.

Sales would be the sticker. I am well aware of the low Guardian production, which I can't understand. One reason I bought two, afraid it will go out of production. May be wishful thinking that a .22 would be more popular.

Canoeal · January-02-20 11:01

Oh and add to that that NAA already has 22lr and 22mag guns that work just fine...Why go into competition with yourself?

bearcatter · January-02-20 12:01

I don't think the minis and Guardians appeal to the same people or for the same reasons.

I don't understand the argument here. I never said anything about realistic or practical. Just the reasons I felt the Guardian would make a better .22LR and why I'd like one. Whether or not NAA ever makes it is up to them, based on predictions, numbers, and costs we have no idea of.

Ruger apparently studied the idea and went for it, competing further with their own LCRs.The .22 Guardian would compete with Ruger, Beretta, Taurus, S&W, and other pocket guns.

Boisesteve · January-02-20 18:01

Years ago I owned a Beretta M21a 22LR that was very accurate and was carry reliable if cleaned after every shoot and daily if carried. But it carried only 7rds of 22LR. So when I saw my first large frame NAA 22 I went the route of 5 rounds 22mag, with much less maintenance than the Beretta. Yet there are those who choose the 22LR.
One to read about is Old Henry. www.activeresponsetraining.net/more-thoughts-on-sw-airlite-22-revolvers
The new Ruger might appeal to him if he is still around. 10 rds in the mag and fast reloads too.
It goes on my list of 'likes'. As with the case-hardened NAA, I like it and might some day get one, but for now it'll be a 'want' not a 'need'.
Steve in Boise

grayelky · January-02-20 23:01

I strongly suspect the LCP 22 LR will be a great success. With the aging population, the number of older people realizing the punk generation only sees them as easy targets, and the number of females who want a "small, light, gun, something easy to carry" will make this a huge success. I have already gotten on the list for them. Add to that it will pay for itself in practice ammo savings for folks who already carry a Ruger LCP .380, how can it fail? Plus, it's a new gun by one of the more prolific manufacturers in the Country.

Uncle Fatso · January-03-20 00:01

I'll probably buy one to try out.
I'm glad to have another option for a little pocket .22.

linux_author · January-03-20 06:01

not sure i'll get one... too expensive, too many unnecessary safeties, only one magazine, no threaded barrel...

on the other hand, it looks like the Taurus TX-22 w/threaded barrel and three 16-round magazines looks like a much better deal... not sure i'll get one of those either though - i don't like the company's bad of policy of not selling parts and its poor customer service

if i want reliable 22LR, i'll stick w/my Mk-series and Charger pistols

just my $0.02...

Bj · January-03-20 06:01

I have noticed that some air guns seem to be designed for easy and cheap practice mimicking the look and feel of an EDC handgun. Sig comes to mind first for me. But NAA is way ahead of that game by having a 22LR cylinder option for the 22Mag minis.

It looks to me like Ruger may have this idea in mind with the new LCP 22LR being a practice alternative to the 380 LCP and LCP II for EDC. Depending on the success of this LCP model, the future may include variations of this new model like different colors and other new 22LR models matching other Ruger handgun models and calibers.

bearcatter · January-03-20 07:01

Quote from: grayelky on January-02-20 23:01
...... With the aging population, the number of older people realizing the punk generation only sees them as easy targets, and the number of females who want a "small, light, gun, something easy to carry" will make this a huge success..... Add to that it will pay for itself in practice ammo savings.....

Exactly. Having a .22 practice gun that mimics your centerfire SD gun is very useful. There are also younger people who are recoil sensitive, or don't have strength to operate a larger caliber, so they choose a .22 for SD. The LCP won't be ideal there with all the safeties it has.

My 2.25" .357 SP101 didn't work out for carry, but it's a good bedside gun (with .38s). The .22 SP isn't made as a snub, but I still bought it for practice. I'd like to be able to do that with the Guardian. I think a majority of Guardian owners would. Then I'd sell my SPs.

jstert · January-26-20 18:01

ive put 400 rounds through my ruger lcp 22lr. federal lrn bulk had a few hiccups. cci sv, cci minimag, cci stingers, american eagle all digested easily. i added hogue beavertail grips, obviously not for recoil control but to give it a fuller grip. i expect it to be a ccw after another 500+ rounds of practice. 10 deep, well placed, reliable, icepick jabs at 485+ mph works as protection for my suburban daytime jaunts.

linux_author · January-27-20 06:01

yep, eating my words... took one look at one in the LGS and now have about 1,000 rounds through my new Ruger LCP II 22LR... found out that it is quite reliable and digests all my cheap rimfire with the exception of Winchester M-22s... this little mouse gun looks and feels like it will run for a long, long time... quality construction, and parts, take down, and detail strip closely mimic my P32s...

top dog · January-27-20 07:01

Rogue,
I agree with you on the original/first LCP.

I like mine just the way it is. Works just fine,no need for any add ons.

As far as the 22lr version,looks nice but I prefer my Black Widow,has the advantage of smaller size and can switch from 22lr to Magnum in seconds.

I can use the money I would spend on the LCP II/22lr for more ammo for the Black Widow.

Just my thoughts.

Top Dog

bearcatter · January-27-20 10:01

I'm vague here as I'm working from memory. There is a company, I think named Tandemkross, that makes an improved LCP takedown pin. You unlock it with a small screwdriver and then it falls out, no prying. That always seemed like a poor design. I'm not sure if it fits either LCP II, but if not, they're probably working on one.

pietro · January-27-20 19:01

Quote from: Boisesteve on January-02-20 18:01

As with the case-hardened NAA, I like it and might some day get one, but for now it'll be a 'want' not a 'need'.

A "want" IS a "need", silly goose...........................

.

top dog · January-28-20 09:01

Pietro,
OK,so when are you going to get one???

Come on......................we know you want......AND NEED....one!!!

Top Dog

Boisesteve · January-28-20 17:01

Pietro,
In four months I'll be retired. At which point the option to 'work overtime if I want something that's not in the budget' will be no more. Practice ammo is budgeted for. New guns aren't. Gonna hafta work that out.
Anyhow, I've gotta get a look at that new LCP22Ruger... before I retire.

Steve in Boise

autofull · January-29-20 09:01

im a mouse gunner and i like it. as soon as one appears it shall be mine. already purchased spare mags fer her. damm carpal tunnel plus visits from arthur make this purchase a necessity.

Bigbird48 · January-29-20 11:01

I think its over priced , so many others out there a lot cheaper, fact I paid less for my SR

linux_author · January-29-20 13:01

btw, i handled the new Glock 44 22LR... frame/receiver looks same as a 19 with the exception of a single cross bar...

the slide is plastic w/a press-fit steel insert (Glock sez you'll void warranty if you separate!)... the recoil spring is surprisingly full strength...

the feed ramp on the barrel is unlike any i've ever seen on a 22LR or any semiauto... thin w/a high ridge on both sides and unpolished!

about the same dinero as the Ruger...

the Ruger LCP II Lite Rack 22LR is a well-built pistol - it's gonna last through many thousands of plinking rounds - and i like that!

edit: after more than 1,000 rounds i'll be darned if i can see *any* wear at all on the slide or receiver - kinda confounding...

willie
on the Gulf of Mexico