Cylinder

[tocsn40]

Just maybe a help to naa if enough people like they could look in to making them

[Doc-in-AZ]

We are missing a necessary option!

Such as:  I would (once again) buy and shoot an NAA revolver if it had proper cylinder shielding.

[grayelky]

It is an interesting poll. Seems most of us are quite content with the mini as is.

I only recall one post regarding an issue where a recoil shield would have prevented a "minor" injury when a case head went off out of alignment with the barrel. One out of how many hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of rounds? I know, if it prevents just one severe injury......

For my $.02 worth, I'll take the chance. Since the Sidewinder had to have a redesign, it is neat that it does have a recoil shield, but I will not advocate the entire line be redesigned just to add one.

[OV-1D]

If it made them NAA a buck why not . Would be a cool upgrade . I'm all for something new provided everyone feels confident . What we need from NAA now is one with a loading gate w/door . The sidewinder is the perfect base frame for it . Now that would be cool .

[heyjoe]

a loading gate would be cool on a 32 acp mini

[tocsn40]

I started this post to have something to talk about thAt got back to the minis. Without them there would be no need for this forum.  I am totally in oh of how many readers we have out there. This post has been read 145 times or there about's and only 4of ya right a post. I truly wounded what all those watchers have to say. 
I have been thinking if chang grips had a peace of metal on it by cylinder ho thick would it have to be to be of any good as a shield ? 

[Doc-in-AZ]

I think the injury alluded to above can be conveniently termed "minor" pretty easily by all the thousands of shooters to whom it did not happen. 

The Vang grips include a sort of cylinder shield in their make-up, but I'm quite sure that when the cartridge ruptures in the revolver these grips will simply add wood (et al.) to the shrapnel mix that is tearing into the nearby hand.

Keep in mind that your hand is closer to the rupturing cartridge in these little revolvers than in any other weapon I can think of.  As I've written before, the odds are enormously on your side.  But remember that they are just that -- odds, probabilities, chances.

[OV-1D]

DOCINAZ your freaking me out . Your not a democrat are you ? Just jokin . Hope that doesn't start a wave because I can't swim very well .

[boone123]

Doc---
do you remember the brand of ammo.
Not that it matters, but did you contact the company that made that shell?
Do you think a recoil shield would have saved you pain?
As i posted before, I know shells can blow up, because 22s have for me.
I can sure see how getting hurt could put a little fear into the picture.
I think as you indicated, its rare, but if it happened, its there forever.
All 3 of mine were in bolt action guns, twice a handgun, and a couple of them stung my face hard, no blood.
At this point in my life it would be pretty hard for me to fire a gun, with no eye protection, and as I metioned before, I wear a thin leather glove on my shooting hand..
I like the black powder idea, just havn't got to it yet.

[millsriver]

For me, the mini fits a unique need for concealed carry. When I purchase one, I understand its limitations. For me, they are not the first out of the safe for a target session. I do fire them regularly, for practice, but reach for a more substantial pistol for range work or just plinkin'.  Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my NAA's and have owned one or more for over twenty years. I have never had a cartridge cause any problem, but understand that it may happen. It does leave a lot of black residue on your hand, but I wonder if a shield would make any difference.

[Dinadan]

Tocsn40 - I like the idea of grips similar to Cvang's with a metal facing behind the cylinder. I do not think the metal would need to be very thick to stop a hang fire case, but the grip itself would need to be rigid in the thin area behind the recoil shield. Maybe all aluminum grips? I have wondered how much, if any, protection Cvangs grips would provide in case of a hang fire.

[grayelky]

Doc-in-AZ-
I do not mean to make light of the injury sustained by the person I spoke of. (I now suspect it may have been you.  ) Correct me if I am wrong, but it consisted of some stinging and discomfort, with no long lasting effects. As you point out, they are "odds, probabilities, chances.", but, if no one was ever injured, they would be meaningless. I suspect I may be one of the lucky ones, as I have never had a .22 cartridge blow up. Not counting the one time I fired a LR in a Mag chamber.

Like Millsriver, my use of the Minis is almost restricted to just some practice so I remain confident with them. I do, on occasion, just plink with my 3" Earl.

Not having had a .22 LR round blow up, my opinion will carry very little weight, but (you saw that coming, huh?) I suspect Cvang's grips would be a fair bit of help if one did detonate out side of the firing position. I have handled the grips and they seem sturdy. I suspect the acrylic ones would be stronger if a shield was needed.

[keith44]

Ok a vote is not enough, fine.  Leave the gun as is!! Offer the option of aftermarket shield if needed, for the rest of us, leave it alone.

Ruptured case?? Seriously? That is an ammo issue, not a gun issue. I have fired hundreds of thousands of rounds of rimfire ammo over my lifetime, and I have never seen a case rupture that was properly chambered, and the firing pin was not sharpened.  Yes the size of the Mini puts your hand closer to the cylinder gaps, both at the barrel (where the powder residue comes from on some) and the breech block end.  If a fired case ruptures out of battery there has been a serious malfunction and a shield would do nothing more than re-direct all the debris into your hand.

As for the powder residue (the black that some get on their hand after firing their mini), I haven't had any black on my hands after firing my mini.  I have the 22 Magnum frame with both cylinders.  I have fired around 300 rounds combined of the shorts, long rifle, and magnum rounds.  Mine has the 1 5/8" barrel, that and the larger frame may be what is keeping my hands clean.

[Uncle_Lee]

I feel that there is no need to be concerned about a case rupturing and Cvang grips going into shrapnel.
I'm with Keith on the shooting and never seeing a ruptured round that was chambered correctly.


Black powder and minis:

[Zatx]

I'm all for the cylinder guard, but I want it for comfort reasons, not just safety.

I've noticed with my .22LR that when I reach into my pocket I snag my hand on the sharp angles of the cylinder.  Also when shooting these sharp angles also rub/scrap against the skin on my fingers/hand.  A cylinder guard would prevent this and also prevent snagging when removing the weapon from a pocket.  One less snag point is always a good thing.

I'm doing all I can to track down CVang grips expressly for their cylinder guard feature, but they are out of production for the .22lr edition.

[tomlogan1]

Am still waiting to get a magnm cylinder for my mini master because of the outrageous cost to ship a gun.

[OV-1D]

I myself use the U.S. Postal Service for all my mailings . Years ago they use to be pains in the a**es by wanting to make sure a weapon , and asked if it was a gun , wasn't loaded but now when they ask if its anything that could blow up or toxic in nature and such I say NO ! I've sent many guns with that reply NO and away it went even with gun manufacturers address on the label never a problem . I use the smallest special rate boxes they carry (I think their six bucks now). So shipping with UPS or FEDX (not sure if they will ship) is just plain crazy . The only problem now is if USPS will belly up by going bankrupt . Their always saying their running in the red by billions. UPS is really a big ripoff ana good fifthteen percent of my business packages I receive look as though they were in a truck crash . Send USPS they need the money.