Sidewinder mfg ?

[Uncle_Lee]

Sure, I'll share.




Wash it down too.

 

[glenn]

OK time to quit wasting time on 1967.
He is just here to waste everyone's time and start poo.
I think it is Mohawker in disguise.

Waste time ... start poo  .... with just words typed on a screen ?
What a concept.    Remember ... none of this is real .. it doesn't exist.
It's probably Glenn in disguise.

[OV-1D]

Hey there 1967 myself a holster is a holster when it's concealled as for does it profile in the pocket I personally don't give a rip as long as one has a permit to carry and everyone should have a permit . So these expensive pieces of leather . I make most of everything I have for holsters except the ones for collecting and is for the certain gun and manufacturer and those are external carry . But again to each there own I'd rather buy more ammo or guns . The prices for the NAA 's holsters are somewhere on the high side concidering the product , the flap holsters are kinda needed for some models . The price of just about everything nowadays is over the limit of what you get but thats that . Great talking to ya hope I don't catch any flack from my opinions .     

[1967]

A quality holster does make a difference IMO. I like alessi for my glocks but rarely use a holster
For the naa I carry.

[louiethelump]

You just carry the NAA loose in a pocket?

[OV-1D]

Oh yeah a holster is a must for large frame weapons . I carry a Ultra Kimber 45 w/lazer anytime I go where anywhere . You like that Glock ?? 9mm ,40 ? Never held one after all these years .

[CavScout]

Lost in translation... Chinese mini-revolver = mini-revolving (anything).

In one of Sandy's Sidewinder updates he said the factory was tooling up to do all machining operations in-house, finally giving them control of production schedules and costs. I believe investment casting was the one thing they were still going to out-source.

Remember, NAA is up against the >50 employee ceiling. Adding another department that breaks the 50 employee barrier would require an 'immediate' boost in sales to cover the increased Government burdens.

[OV-1D]

Just wait for obumacare to kick in then its mandatory health care . If anyone whos in relatively small business they know just whats it is to be in business not alone upgrade a factory . I really don't believe investing big bucks right now is not a smart move on anybodies part unless you already have the orders waiting (with down payments in hand ). Pretty much like this pre-order advantage with Sandy . I think thats why they thought it over about the top breaks , demand didn't cover the costs of going any further . Great for us that have them but too costly to inventory . The American dream of owning your own business isn't much of a payoff anymore unless you stay small just for a paycheck and creep up . But then again if you know Obuma well thats a different story but if you did get the cash from Obuma's group after you got the cash (lots of it) you would declare bankrupty and run with the cash and we wouldn't have any mini's anymore . Keep up the great job Sandy and gang . WHERE'S MY SIDEWINDER DANG IT ?

[CavScout]

Here's a treatise on running a manufacturing business, by someone ultimately familiar with machining in miniature in the USA... Joe Martin of Sherline Products, Inc.

http://www.sherline.com/business.htm

Not affiliated, just a satisfied customer

[grayelky]

1967-
You alluded to someone other than NAA making the mini revolvers. Once pushed, you said you thought they were shipped from some where else. Your final comment was someone other than NAA was doing the investment casting. Once we eventually got what you were trying to get to, is seems yes, you are totally correct. Sandy has said before that Ruger does in fact supply the frames through their investment casting company. A whole totally different meaning than someone other than NAA is making the guns.

As a side note, Ruger's facility at Pinetree is one of, if not the largest investment casting facility in the country, perhaps the world. It is not cost effective, nor feasible, for smaller companies to invest in the equipment and training of employees to do investment casting, when it is in reality a small part of the manufacturing process.

As to the comment about a thought:
At no point did 1967 express his comment as a thought, rather he alluded to it being a fact. That is why I asked for some of his data he had "dug up". Had he expressed his "information" as a thought of his own, my response to him would have been totally different.

[CavScout]

<snip> It is not cost effective, nor feasible, for smaller companies to invest in the equipment and training of employees to do investment casting, when it is in reality a small part of the manufacturing process.
<snip>

In the old days of gun making, before interchangeable parts made to the same specs (thanks Springfield armory and Eli Whitney)... it was common practice for apprentices rough forming parts, and the gunsmith doing the finish work. As far as outsourcing goes... "cottage industry" was dominate in early European gun mass production.

[Fat Goat Forge]

Sandy has said before that Ruger does in fact supply the frames through their investment casting company.
As a side note, Ruger's facility at Pinetree is one of, if not the largest investment casting facility in the country, perhaps the world. It is not cost effective, nor feasible, for smaller companies to invest in the equipment and training of employees to do investment casting, when it is in reality a small part of the manufacturing process.

A great shop to have the frames cast. I love my rugers. Just got 2 more this fall a Blackhawk in .44 special and a Single Ten. The BW looks really cute next to the BlackHawk.

[cfsharry]

grayelky,
Excellent points made. I also noticed 1967's shift in verbage as the discussion progressed. Huge difference in what he said originally and what he eventually appeared to mean to say. Playing coy about where his knowledge came from was anything but cute. I can only guess as to the real reason for his original post.

[louiethelump]

I think I mentioned before that the last time I was at S&W for training several years ago. there were boxes of bolt action rifle actions sitting about in various stages of manufacture.  A few of us pressed the tour guide about what they were and were eventually told they were Weatherby actions in the works, being made by S&W.  When you have expensive machinery such as investment casting or CNC machining, it needs to be running to pay for itself.  It makes perfect sense for Ruger or S&W or anyone else to do parts work for other companies and is a benefit to both parties.  Does it make NAA any less the manufacturer of a product because the frames are cast in another building by workers instead of THIS building by workers?  I don't think so.  At S&W, the forge is in another building, and Ruger has several factories in different parts of the country, and I am sure the investment casting is done in another building from where the guns are assembled.  That does not make them any less Ruger if the castings are done in Conn., and the gun assembled in AZ for example.

[OV-1D]

Lets just chaulk it up to seeing and saying all the great conversation and articles that have come up with all us intelligent minds going in all directions . I think its wonderful to hear all these views , isn't that what forums are all about makes everyone think and learn something at least . Don't worry be happy , jingle  ,jingle .

[tocsn40]

All naa guns are made by UMPALUPAS at WILLY WANKAS   Then ship to naa to be sent to distributors
I no this as true cusses the ground hog told me on ground hog day if you listen to ground hogs and other critters you can learn a lot.  Like the world  ends on dec 12 th right. 

[OV-1D]

Even that responce brings back momeries of that silly flick , Gene Wilder ? How about Young Frankenstein flick or that cowboy one I forget the name but it doesn't get much funnier than that stuff. This is what I mean don't bother being so critical in another hundred years will it matter even next week ..

[1967]

It don't matter in a second...

[OV-1D]

Blazing Saddles thats it ." Where all the white women at  " great line , great movie .

[Uncle_Lee]

All naa guns are made by UMPALUPAS at WILLY WANKAS   Then ship to naa to be sent to distributors
I no this as true cusses the ground hog told me on ground hog day if you listen to ground hogs and other critters you can learn a lot.  Like the world  ends on dec 12 th right.

Wrong.
It ends on 12/21/12

Prepare thineselves..............

[heyjoe]

IM TAKING ALL BETS FROM ANYONE WHO THINKS THAT THE WORLD WILL END ON 12/21/12

[Uncle_Lee]

Why would they bet with you?
They couldn't collect.

[OV-1D]

Hope I get to see my sidewinder before I go .

[Uncle_Lee]

I want to get 2 Sidewinders with 4" barrels before I go....
Might not ever see them.

[heyjoe]

Why would they bet with you?
They couldn't collect.

Exactly! ha ha