trustworthy

[Anvil]

Since retiring in 2017 I have walked 2 miles a day along our city lake walkway. There has never been an incident or any inclination of any trouble on the busy path but I've carried my pug holstered on my belt and under my shirt since day one. Truth is it has given me much confidence and self assurance whether needed or not. My dad, a Marine vet from WWII taught me to always be prepared for the unexpected.
Hopefully I will never need it but if so I have my trustworthy Pug with me and won't hesitate to use it if dire times arise.
I know it's not the best defense weapon available it's but better than nothing!
Trust me, a 22 mag hollow point HORNADY 45-GRAIN CRITICAL DEFENSE will stop the bad guy in his tracks.

[Uncle_Lee]

I also feel covered with the Pug.
But I don't think it will scare anyone by sight. It is so small that they won't be able to see it.
I think one might have to fire a round to let them know that you have a mighty mite in your hand.
The report from that little fellow will probably have people ducking behind cars for a 2 block radius. 

[Bigbird48]

So true Unc everytime I've shot my BW for people or let them shoot it their reaction is like Holy ..... well you know

[Anvil]

I agree, I think the report from my Pug is equal to my Colt Anaconda! 

[bearcatter]

Think a 2 1/8 inch Guardian. Even the .32 is loud. Like a snub .38

[bill_deshivs]

Here's an anecdote for all of you that think .22 WRM out of a short barrels is so deadly:

The Collierville, TN Kroger mass shooting one year ago was done with a Keltec CARBINE in .22 WRM with a 16" barrel. More than a dozen people were shot. 2 died-including the shooter.

Please don't be mislead by the fact that the .22 magnum is really loud out of your little guns. It's so loud because most of the gunpowder is being burned outside of the barrel.

I like the NAA guns too, but they are bottom of the barrel for defense. If you carry one, you need to realize this.

[Uncle_Lee]

I am safe.
I carry a baseball size rock as a backup. 

[5_shooter]

The goal in a self defense situation is not to kill. The goal is to stop someone from doing what they're doing. The 22 mag can be very effective at this. Is it the best? No, of course not. But it can and does work.

[pietro]

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A person who decides to CC anything will have an edge if they practice constant situational awareness.

Sometimes un-obtainium, avoiding the conflict in the first place will often have the best result.

[bearcatter]

I am safe.
I carry a baseball size rock as a backup. 

   

Any handgun is a compromise. If you knew you would need a gun today you would stay home want to carry a machine gun shotgun.

A mini is too much compromise for me, and .32 is just enough better.

[Dinadan]

-snip- I've carried my pug holstered on my belt and under my shirt since day one. Truth is it has given me much confidence and self assurance whether needed or not. -snip-

I think that the self assurance is probably just as important as the actual gun. When a person's body language says that he or she is not at all worried about being attacked, that is a deterrence in itself.

[bearcatter]

I'd prefer a Federation phaser. Some are pocket size, just a few ounces. No more need for a big heavy gun. You can put it on wide angle stun, and drop a whole gang with one shot, with no permanent harm. Just out long enough to get handcuffed.

[Anvil]

Bill said _ "I like the NAA guns too, but they are bottom of the barrel for defense. If you carry one, you need to realize this."

I reckon it depends on the barrel. If it's a 22 barrel it's at the top. If it's a knife barrel it's at the top or a rock throwing barrel it's on the top.
I guess what I'm saying is there are worse things to use to try to defend yourself and others than a 22 WMR!
Truth is NAA guns have little purpose other than using them for defense.
Target shooting ? No.
Hunting? No.
Plinking? maybe
Just say'n 

[tinhorn]

Bill said _ "I like the NAA guns too, but they are bottom of the barrel for defense. If you carry one, you need to realize this."

I reckon it depends on the barrel. If it's a 22 barrel it's at the top. If it's a knife barrel it's at the top or a rock throwing barrel it's on the top.
I guess what I'm saying is there are worse things to use to try to defend yourself and others than a 22 WMR!
Truth is NAA guns have little purpose other than using them for defense.
Target shooting ? No.
Hunting? No.
Plinking? maybe
Just say'n 

You left out Making a 12" Target Look Like It Was Blasted with a 20-gauge, and Making Loud Noise and Smoke While Giggling Like a Little Girl.

[bearcatter]

"I reckon it depends on the barrel. If it's a 22 barrel it's at the top. If it's a knife barrel it's at the top or a rock throwing barrel it's on the top."

"You left out Making a 12" Target Look Like It Was Blasted with a 20-gauge, and Making Loud Noise and Smoke While Giggling Like a Little Girl."

I have no clue what those mean.....?

[Anvil]

"I reckon it depends on the barrel. If it's a 22 barrel it's at the top. If it's a knife barrel it's at the top or a rock throwing barrel it's on the top."

"You left out Making a 12" Target Look Like It Was Blasted with a 20-gauge, and Making Loud Noise and Smoke While Giggling Like a Little Girl."

I have no clue what those mean.....?

I'd say think about it and call me in the morning but even then I doubt I'd have a good answer. 

[Uncle_Lee]

"I reckon it depends on the barrel. If it's a 22 barrel it's at the top. If it's a knife barrel it's at the top or a rock throwing barrel it's on the top."

"You left out Making a 12" Target Look Like It Was Blasted with a 20-gauge, and Making Loud Noise and Smoke While Giggling Like a Little Girl."

I have no clue what those mean.....?

I'd say think about it and call me in the morning but even then I doubt I'd have a good answer. 

I took it to mean like a Steven's 22/410 over and under.
If it is paired up with a 22 barrel and something else, the top barrel is the 22.
If you have on the gun, a rock throwing barrel, that one goes on top and other, what ever it is, goes on the bottom.
Same with the knife barrel.
Now if you have both a rock throwing barrel AND a knife barrel, it would have to be a side by side double barrel, because both barrels are equal.
There, it should be quite clear.
         

[RogueTS1]

"You left out Making a 12" Target Look Like It Was Blasted with a 20-gauge

They can be shot much better than that. 

[tinhorn]

"You left out Making a 12" Target Look Like It Was Blasted with a 20-gauge

They can be shot much better than that. 

Now you're just showing off.

What I meant with my joke is putting holes all over a 12" target instead of grouping them tightly like RogueTS1 did. Last time I shot my NAA the target looked like it had been hit with a shotgun blast. Meanwhile my wife was blowing the center out of hers with her Bearcat.

But since I was shooting WRF out of a 3" barrel, I was giggling on the inside.

[bearcatter]

....my wife was blowing the center out of hers with her Bearcat.

A little thread drift here, I know...I have a question from tinhorn's post.

On Ruger Forum (.net) there's a thread about Ruger's "billboard". Are your Bearcats fairly new? If so, are all the markings still rollmarked, or has Ruger starting laser marking them too? I doubt they would ever laser the cylinder, but maybe the writing.
I found one online mention that someone "heard" that Bearcat writing was lasered starting at serial 93-68570.

My Bearcats are 2011 and rollmarked. My .22 SP101 is 2015 and all lasered. Looks a lot nicer, and the tiny billboard is under the barrel. (I like my Guardian being lasered, too)

FWIW, the Ruger billboard started in January 1978.

[Anvil]

Sorry! I was referring to wooden barrels not gun barrels. IE the bottom or the top of the barrel as far as effectiveness.

[tinhorn]

....my wife was blowing the center out of hers with her Bearcat.

A little thread drift here, I know...I have a question from tinhorn's post.

On Ruger Forum (.net) there's a thread about Ruger's "billboard". Are your Bearcats fairly new? If so, are all the markings still rollmarked, or has Ruger starting laser marking them too? I doubt they would ever laser the cylinder, but maybe the writing.

I don't remember when the missus' gun was made but it was a safe queen for a long time before I bought it. The markings look stamped, not lasered.

[bearcatter]

Thanks !
Even the two Ruger forums come up zero on it. No biggie, just curious about it.

[Anvil]

Even though my Pug is trustworthy on my daily walks along the lake I have others that are trustworthy at home. I have a Mossberg 500 in my closet and a .45 long Colt in my night stand.   
No, I'm not paranoid just rightfully prepared.
I took advice from my WWII Marine dad at an early age. He taught me to be ready for the unexpected. He gave me a fixed blade
hunting knife with a sheath at age 7 and said
You may not need it but heed it!

[Anvil]

Some ballistic experts (Drury's Guns) say that the lowly .22 LR has the best stopping power, since it stays in the target?s body and bounces around, shredding arteries and punching holes in internal organs. I think a 22 Mag hollow point would do even better!
But then a .45 LC leaves a purdy big hole! 

[tinhorn]

I was trying to keep track of some numbers when I got curious about the ballistics of a .32 S&W cowboy load compared to various .22s.

[Canoeal]

I prefer these specs as I believe you have 22 mag rifle energy.

[tinhorn]

Yup, I misread that chart at ballisticsbytheinch completely. Thanks for getting me back on the straight and narrow. I deleted my bad info because it was, well, bad info.

[bearcatter]

The colored chart turns the right way if you click on it. No need to turn your eyes 90 degrees.

I've learned that ballistics charts never match each other. This one comes up short on my .32. Lists lighter than standard bullet and less penetration than most tests. It must be for HP but doesn't say so. Shows 380 going deeper, but most tests the 32 goes an inch or so better than 380.

[Armybrat]

I am safe.
I carry a baseball size rock as a backup. 

   

Any handgun is a compromise. If you knew you would need a gun today you would stay home want to carry a machine gun shotgun.

A mini is too much compromise for me, and .32 is just enough better.

I used to have one of these, but it was a mite too heavy & bulky to conceal?

[Canoeal]

The colored chart turns the right way if you click on it. No need to turn your eyes 90 degrees.

I've learned that ballistics charts never match each other. This one comes up short on my .32. Lists lighter than standard bullet and less penetration than most tests. It must be for HP but doesn't say so. Shows 380 going deeper, but most tests the 32 goes an inch or so better than 380.

Actually I thought most people here would know DR stood for Defensive rounds (ie hollowpoinst). Sorry.

[bearcatter]

Thanks, but hey, you didn't make the chart. DR was one abbreviation I couldn't figure out. I don't know what "avg RD def rds"  translates to but figured out it's expansion.

Never saw a chart with "grains P" on it either. Powder weight? Wouldn't that depend on the powder used?

[Canoeal]

Thanks, but hey, you didn't make the chart. DR was one abbreviation I couldn't figure out. I don't know what "avg RD def rds"  translates to but figured out it's expansion.

Never saw a chart with "grains P" on it either. Powder weight? Wouldn't that depend on the powder used?

"Average recovered diameter of defensive rounds". Since this was originally meant for personal use, I knew what it meant

Actually I did do the research, and did I create the chart. The powder weights came from a study that listed every standard production cartridge ever made, in a 15 page chart, complete with citations on each. Everthing from 2mm Kolibri on up, including date first produced, What nation, factory loadings, cartridge sizes, highest MV, ME, Chg, and more, including citations on those considered obsolete. From that I narrowed my chart down to rounds I wanted to cosider. I will also state up front I am a revolver guy; I never liked shooting semi autos.
From that, the grains of powder, the bullet grains, ratios, velocities, and energy is averaged. The penetration, and expansion of defensibve rounds were averaged from every test I could find on line and in print. Yes, they are all averaged from that data, so it made some sort of sense to me. I was looking for something that doesn't exist; the perfect handgun and rifle round for my use.
I ended up with the best round suited to me and my physical situation and and my location likely to be a .32 H&R mag with a 3-4" barrel and weighing in at 16-20 oz, as a handgun, and well... rifles are another story...as this was the handgun chart.

Just case you want to know, the colors have meaning, in terms of the standards I used 8 years ago. Yellow meant it met the standard, mustard meant almost, purple was below the threshold. The Standards were: Velocty of 1000 fps; ME of 200 ft lb; Penetration 12"; Expansion to .50. Those are not the standards I now use. Penetration is still 12"; expansion is 1.5x the intial dia.; and I still like to see 1000 fps. for handguns. Recoil is still a problem for me.

[bearcatter]

Wow, that's a lot of math. I just stick to the basics; bullet type, weight, muzzle energy and velocity. My rimfire chart breaks it down by muzzle, 50 and 100 yards. I'm not sure where my charts came from,
I have a chart for .32 ACP and a .22 rimfire, broken down by brand and style. I added a short list of other mousegun calibers, for comparison.

[Canoeal]

Yep, for 22 Wmr I have those all broken down, as my NAA BW and Wasp are my carries, The Target Pathfinder is 22 Mag; and my Henry Small Game is in 22 WMR.