Who would like to see NAA bring back the H&R Young America?

[TruthTellers]

Had this thought recently, wanted to come back here after a long absence to see what others thought. I think NAA has a niche in they make the best tiny revolvers on the market and I think it's a shame that NAA never bothered to get into the DA revolver world with something. I know there were rumors and pics of a DA revolver that looked fairly large and was in .32 H&R Magnum about 10 years ago on this very forum, but my thinking is NAA can make an even smaller revolver and instead of .32 H&R Mag, how about .32 S&W Lg wadcutter?

For those unaware, the .32 H&R Young America has a bored thru cylinder and does chamber and fire .32 wadcutters, so if these revolvers could be made 100 years ago, they could be made again and made better.

Some have proposed that .32 ACP be the focus, this could easily be accommodated by making the cylinder at least 1 inch long to accommodate the .32 ACP OAL and .32 wadcutter OAL, meaning that multiple chamberings or even dual cylinder models could be offered for those that prefer to practice with .32 ACP and carry .32 wadcutter or vice versa.

Improvements to the design would be:

-a better cylinder retention system, if not a full swing out cylinder that has a similar cylinder release found in the NAA Sidewinder, again something that would hearken back to H&R as H&R made revolvers with the same style of cylinder release.

-better sights

-DAO, DA/SA, and SAO models could all be an option.

There seems to be potential here with this idea, I don't see why NAA couldn't find a market for a smaller than a J frame double action revolver in a 5 shot .32, not after all the evidence is coming out that .32 has definite defensive capabilities, especially with very small revolvers.

What say you fellow NAA owners? I don't see any other company looking to gear up and bring back the micro double action revolver, let alone in a .32 caliber, so it seems only NAA is up for the challenge, plus I can of like the sound of the North American Arms Young America.

[pietro]

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I think it's a matter of dance with who brung ya.

After all, NAA makes a special(ist) product - would you like your cardiologist to also do some dentistry on you ?

I'm sure NAA has enough on their hands just keeping up with the demands for their product line, as it is.

[Naa NinJA]

I won't lie I would like to see something new from naa, or at least be able to order the pretty gold guns they have on their website that they have pictures of but no guns available

[heyjoe]

photos?

i agree. i would like to see a very small double action 32 long or acp revolver made again.

Had this thought recently, wanted to come back here after a long absence to see what others thought. I think NAA has a niche in they make the best tiny revolvers on the market and I think it's a shame that NAA never bothered to get into the DA revolver world with something. I know there were rumors and pics of a DA revolver that looked fairly large and was in .32 H&R Magnum about 10 years ago on this very forum, but my thinking is NAA can make an even smaller revolver and instead of .32 H&R Mag, how about .32 S&W Lg wadcutter?

For those unaware, the .32 H&R Young America has a bored thru cylinder and does chamber and fire .32 wadcutters, so if these revolvers could be made 100 years ago, they could be made again and made better.

Some have proposed that .32 ACP be the focus, this could easily be accommodated by making the cylinder at least 1 inch long to accommodate the .32 ACP OAL and .32 wadcutter OAL, meaning that multiple chamberings or even dual cylinder models could be offered for those that prefer to practice with .32 ACP and carry .32 wadcutter or vice versa.

Improvements to the design would be:

-a better cylinder retention system, if not a full swing out cylinder that has a similar cylinder release found in the NAA Sidewinder, again something that would hearken back to H&R as H&R made revolvers with the same style of cylinder release.

-better sights

-DAO, DA/SA, and SAO models could all be an option.

There seems to be potential here with this idea, I don't see why NAA couldn't find a market for a smaller than a J frame double action revolver in a 5 shot .32, not after all the evidence is coming out that .32 has definite defensive capabilities, especially with very small revolvers.

What say you fellow NAA owners? I don't see any other company looking to gear up and bring back the micro double action revolver, let alone in a .32 caliber, so it seems only NAA is up for the challenge, plus I can of like the sound of the North American Arms Young America.

[heyjoe]

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[LHB]

I have a H&R Young American in .22 short.   I'm not sure how it happened, but when I first became aware of this revolver, it was in a toy box or chest in my grandparent's attic,  along with most of a H&R .32 S&W long that I was told had gone through my great grandparent's house fire.  Interesting finds in a toy box.

[Canoeal]

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I think it's a matter of dance with who brung ya.

After all, NAA makes a special(ist) product - would you like your cardiologist to also do some dentistry on you ?

I'm sure NAA has enough on their hands just keeping up with the demands for their product line, as it is.

Exactly; and by the way who is going to bring out a new model for very limited sales? Nobody.

[TruthTellers]

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I think it's a matter of dance with who brung ya.

After all, NAA makes a special(ist) product - would you like your cardiologist to also do some dentistry on you ?

I'm sure NAA has enough on their hands just keeping up with the demands for their product line, as it is.

Exactly; and by the way who is going to bring out a new model for very limited sales? Nobody.

When you look at the numbers of NAA Guadians and how few are sold, it's questionable why NAA even continues to produce them. The only reason I can figure is they've been making them for so long that it's still somewhat cost effective.

If NAA made a revolver the size of the Young America, maybe even smaller since they'd be using high quality stainless steel, they' easily sell 10k of the .32 models a year, even more with a .22 model.

It is easy to overlook just how popular very small and inexpensive handguns are. Between the 1880s to 1941 when the Young America was produced, H&R made roughly 1.5 million of them and to this day is still the second highest selling US made double action revolver; when the only other US made DA revolver that was more popular was the S&W Model 10, you can see just how common the Young America was.

The counter to that factoid is that was a long time ago, H&R stopped making it for a reason (yeah, it was cuz WW2), and that what people wanted back then doesn't apply to today, which I disagree with. No matter what time in firearms history people have always wanted a smaller, lighter, easier to carry gun but was still decently effective. The only thing that has changed in the last 100 years has been that the carrying of firearms is now way more more permitted than it was then and there are a lot more people in the US today than 100 years ago.

There is a market for a modernized Young America because there was one for it a century ago. While times change, people's wants don't and while revolvers aren't as popular as they were 50 or 100 years ago, they are still the smallest handgun one can buy that is dead nuts reliable.

[bearcatter]

I've got some ATF figures that someone here posted, about Guardian production. Only for 2007-2020, but I can guesstimate. For 2 years, 2008 and 2009,  they made over 5K Guardians each year, but only 1500 in 2010 (?). Most years it's less than a thousand, one year they only made 300. The .32 came out in 1997, .380 was 2001. So rough math, in 26 years NAA has made 30-35K Guardians. In just one year, 2020, NAA made 50K minis.

I think in the Guardian's case, people expect too much from a tiny SD pistol. "It's too heavy" - "It's not accurate" - "It hurts my hand" - "It bites my finger" - etc.. It's not meant to shoot 100 rounds at a session. It can't do two inch groups at 25 yards. I haven't shot mine in over a year, but I bet I'd still get adequate torso hits at 7 yards.

The Mini problem is saturation. Having made hundreds of thousands of them (maybe millions?), most people that want one (or two, or ten) have them. The market has shrunk. Newer models give people something new to buy, but there's only so much you can do with a little .22 revolver. The Ranger was a big jump in design, but $500-$700 for a .22 pocket revolver is a little steep when you can get a .38 snub nose for less.

[bill_deshivs]

.32 acp is as powerful, if not more powerful than .32 S&W long.
There would be no reason to chamber the gun for S&W long.

[chutethemall]

For the expected $500 price of a new .32 revolver that holds 5 rounds of rare ammo, someone could almost buy two Ruger LCPs, in .22 LR and .380 acp.
Lightweight plastic autos outsell revolvers by a huge margin. Try to find any .32 revolver ammo today. Even .32 acp is hard to find and expensive.

I'd buy a NAA revolver in .32 or maybe even .25 but hardly anyone else will, and NAA would go out of business if they tried.

[Uncle_Lee]

For the expected $500 price of a new .32 revolver that holds 5 rounds of rare ammo, someone could almost buy two Ruger LCPs, in .22 LR and .380 acp.
Lightweight plastic autos outsell revolvers by a huge margin. Try to find any .32 revolver ammo today. Even .32 acp is hard to find and expensive.

I'd buy a NAA revolver in .32 or maybe even .25 but hardly anyone else will, and NAA would go out of business if they tried.

Any NAA revolver made in 25 or 32 would make me happy.
I will take 2 with consecutive serial numbers.
I have been posting about this for 10-12 years.
Sandy finally said. "No Way".

[bearcatter]

I've been posting for a .22 Guardian for five years, so I have to keep trying for five more? ...

[heyjoe]

For the expected $500 price of a new .32 revolver that holds 5 rounds of rare ammo, someone could almost buy two Ruger LCPs, in .22 LR and .380 acp.
Lightweight plastic autos outsell revolvers by a huge margin. Try to find any .32 revolver ammo today. Even .32 acp is hard to find and expensive.

I'd buy a NAA revolver in .32 or maybe even .25 but hardly anyone else will, and NAA would go out of business if they tried.

Any NAA revolver made in 25 or 32 would make me happy.
I will take 2 with consecutive serial numbers.
I have been posting about this for 10-12 years.
Sandy finally said. "No Way".

Sandy is no longer the owner. there's renewed hope for a 25 acp mini

[Dinadan]

Like most of the other folks here, I would like seeing a .32 revolver. I do think that some larger company is more likely to produce one. Folks like Ruger are okay with making a .32 revolver as long as they can just use a .357 cylinder and frame with smaller holes. What I want to see is a revolver designed from the start to be .32 with the cylinder as small diameter and as short as possible. About like the one Heyjoe posted.

[RogueTS1]

Possibly ................ would have to see what she looks and handles like first though. 

[Uncle_Lee]

I doubt if I would ever shoot them.
But I would have the outsides rubbed raw.   

[bearcatter]

Possibly ................ would have to see what she looks and handles like first though. 

Perfect quote on considering a long-term relationship....

[dendrig59]

If NAA would come out with an all steel DA 22lr pocket revolver I would be on that like hair on a gorilla!

[Uncle_Lee]

I ran out of stuff to buy except for the Talo decorated stuff.
I would take a pair of any new ones, revolvers or guardians.
Something different, not just a different screw head.