Guardian trigger finger sore

1911Saheed · January-20-13 08:01

First time out with guardian 380 with the flat magazine floor plate. It malfunctioned once. failure to completely feed. Not bad for a new gun out of the box. From the first shot the underside of my trigger finger was killing me with every shot fired. I managed to empty the magazine then changed hands. Same thing a lot of pain and emptied the magazine. Needless to say, I did not fire the 100 rounds that I had brought to break in the gun. Will the 10 round mag with the extension cure this upward flipping in a gun that has the shooting hand way down below the axis of recoil? This hurts just behind the distal phalnageal join where the trigger guard is whopping the finger.

heyjoe · January-20-13 09:01

before you shoot put a bandaid on your finger where it bangs the trigger guard. most people do that with the seecamp 380 before shooting.

OV-1D · January-20-13 14:01

Sorry guys but why have a gun that hurts the shooter ? Had a Mac 10 that did the same thing , what a piece of crap anyway , happy to get shed of it . Ir your going plinking wear a leather glove or ofcourse trade it in .

cfsharry · January-20-13 14:01

Up front, I don't own a Guardian nor have I shot one. I have, however, read, often on this site, about the Guardian being uncomfortable to shoot. If this is the case, wouldn't that fact make it a gun one would not shoot a lot and if not, why would it be a carry gun. I own and regularly shoot both the SIG P238 and the Colt Mustang Pocket Lite. Both reliable and both creampuffs when shot. The .380 is not a hot nor a punishing round. You should not, in my opinion, have to wear a bandaid or a glove when shooting one. If you find it to be so in the gun you are shooting perhaps a change is in order.

bud · January-20-13 20:01

cfsharry and OV-ID

+1

heyjoe · January-20-13 21:01

i dont wear a bandaid but many do. its a very small gun in a decent sized caliber, its dependable,accurate and i like it. if the poop ever hits the fan i know i wont be worrying about my index finger. besides as i said in another post, every once in a while when i feel like banging my index finger with a hammer, i shoot my seecamp 380 instead.

black_cat · January-21-13 03:01

i do hear it's quite brutal. but for a carry gun what you're worried about is no one knowing you have a gun. makes you a target. basically it's as if yer walking around with a bar of gold. if they can get it from you, it sells. if they know you have it, you're a threat.

imo, the only real ccw weapons in existence are the mini revolvers. you can have them fully concealed in the palm of your hand. would be nice if it made for a better roll of quarters tho :/ too irregularly shaped.

the guardian and the slightly smaller micro desert eagle are a nice semi auto alternative. but they'll both beat your hands up real nice. i've no clue why no one has made either of them available in 22 or 25 :/

the sigs, diamond backs, and ruger lcp's, are all getting too close to the size that you may as well go full sized. that's just how i see it.

you can either practice becoming a quickdraw artist and prey chaos doesn't come to visit right when you really dont need that sort of company or you could just say fkit and only need to point and shoot. not hard to know which is the better tactic, but chaos can still show up for the party. *** hammer catches a sleeve 2/3 times when you really need to fking fire

pretty annoying that they choose to cut out that little bit of metal alongside the hammer swing for "artistic reasons...."

heyjoe · January-21-13 09:01

a bodyguard style mini revolver, now that would look cool, but probably not the brightest idea for a single action. anyone with photoshop talents want to take a stab at that?

Kevin55 · January-21-13 10:01

Quote from: heyjoe on January-21-13 09:01
a bodyguard style mini revolver, now that would look cool, but probably not the brightest idea for a single action. anyone with photoshop talents want to take a stab at that?

Depending on the arc of the hammer, it might be possible to just leave just enough of the hammer exposed to thumb cock. Another style of CVang grips?

Kevin55 · January-21-13 11:01

Typically DAO pistols are not meant to be shot in high round counts, like SA target pistol.

My Makarov cuts my thumb with the slide if I hold it too high. Partially due to an odd shaped broken bone.

Before beaver tails were standard on 1911s, getting bit by the grip safety was a common ailment. Go tell someone their 1911 is junk because it hurts to shoot 100 rounds.

black_cat · January-21-13 13:01

Quote from: heyjoe on January-21-13 09:01
a bodyguard style mini revolver, now that would look cool, but probably not the brightest idea for a single action. anyone with photoshop talents want to take a stab at that?

i might be able to pull something off with ms paint

black_cat · January-21-13 13:01

black_cat · January-22-13 03:01

okey, hows this for ms paint?

gonnah give me first one?

got a couple more ideas for it too.

OV-1D · January-22-13 03:01

Thats a real possibility that enclosed hammer idea for another model for NAA . I have a Smith like that and it's great .

black_cat · January-22-13 04:01

my other ideas for it are to extend the handle scales up to the cylinder and to continue the shape of the cylinder out to the front of the barrel. this is to make it's shape more regular when you have a fist wrapped around it in a concealing manor. so it doesn't break your fingers when you have to knuckle up. i suppose that could all be done with mods but the hammer swing guard kind of needs to be done with original manufacture support.

OV-1D · January-22-13 04:01

Hey there black_cat good morning . Submit your ideas to Matt Lewis , he's NAA 's design engineer . Seems to be nice guy and open to new ideas .

black_cat · January-22-13 04:01

i dont really have his phone number.

OV-1D · January-22-13 04:01

Call Sandy and explain he'll give it to you provided you make sense .

black_cat · January-22-13 04:01

you're saying i dont make sense?

OV-1D · January-22-13 05:01

Kinda defensive aren't we , NO is your answer , didn't even menstion your other ideas . You see your first idea with the Smith enclosed hammer didn't you . Calm down big cat .

1911Saheed · January-22-13 09:01

I have two of the ten round extended mag and extended grip magazines on order. Sent off the cashier's check today and ordered it over night. I may have to carry one round in the weapon and the mag in a pocket in order to conceal it well. If this solves the problem, then I may order the extended kit conversion for the two mags that came with it.

black_cat · January-23-13 01:01

Quote from: OV-1D on January-22-13 05:01
Kinda defensive aren't we , NO is your answer , didn't even menstion your other ideas . You see your first idea with the Smith enclosed hammer didn't you . Calm down big cat .

what i mean to say m8y, this isn't the first time i've suggested this. i made the suggestion way back in late 2007-2008. so i'm guessing the idea was rejected. it was in a specific subsection for suggesting new products. i mean...... if they haven't read it by now......

jmom54 · January-23-13 08:01

I have a .380 guradian and didn't have any sore finger troubles when shooting it. I did, however, come away from the range with a bloody thumb base from the slide coming back. I since have figured out how to hold it w/o getting this "bloody" problem. LOL
I shot about 50 rounds and have arthritis in my fingers. I don't understand why this person had that problem. just sayin'.

sum_guy_lee · January-23-13 19:01

I have a 380 and shoot every other week, normally 50 round each visit. I haven't had the sore on the finger as described above but I did have a sore hand until I strengthened it up. Firmer grip no pain.

1911Saheed · April-03-13 12:04

The very tip of the trigger is scratching my underside of the index finger. Have been working on this area with a file but no help so far. Also the extended magazines did not help. I think I will try the bandaid. Anyone know where I can get a CCW bandaid that is quickly deployable on the index finger?

OV-1D · April-03-13 14:04

How about a very big Trojan ?

john LS · July-11-15 11:07

I just posted that I made the first range trip today with my Guardian 380. Shot several different types of ammo with only the 6 round mag. No issues at all and hand is fine. I shot 75 rounds and could have shot 200 rounds. I guess I am not recoil sensitive. I really like the Guardian.