NAA Rules of Gunfighting (updated May 7)

[TwoGunJayne]

USMC Rules For Gun Fighting

    1.Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns. Bring their friends who have guns. Make sure everyone brings their OWN ammo.
    2.If you can, make friends with those highly skilled on "Crew Served Weapons" Bring them as well. Borrow lots of money from them, it gives them an added incentive to protect you.
    3.Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammo is cheap. Life is expensive.
    4.Only hits count. Close doesn't count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.
    5.If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough nor using cover correctly.
    6.Move away from your attacker. Distance is your friend. (Lateral and diagonal movement are preferred.)
    7.If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a long gun and a couple of friends with long guns.
    8.In ten years time, no one will ever remember the details of what caliber you used; the stance you used; or what shooting tactics you used. History will only remember those who lived and usually forgets those who didn't.
    9.If you are not shooting, you should be doing 3 things: Communicating (calling for arty or air support), Reloading, and Running.
    10.Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting is more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun in your hand.
    11.Use a gun that works EVERY TIME.  "All skill is in vain when an Angel pisses in the flintlock of your musket."
    12.Someday, someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it was empty.
    13.In combat, there are no rules: Always Cheat; Always Win! The only unfair gun fight is the one you lose.
    14.Have a plan.
    15.Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work.
    16.Have a secondary back-up plan to your primary back-up plan in case CentCom or SecDef finds the first two plans "unacceptable".
    17.Use cover or concealment as much as possible. The only visible target should be the one in your gun sights.
    18.Flank your adversary whenever possible. Protect your flank at all costs.
    19.Don't drop your guard.
    20.Always tactical reload and threat scan 360 degrees.
    21.Watch their hands. Hands kill!  Gun Fighter's Motto: In God we trust! Everyone else, Keep your hands where I can see them.
    22.Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.
    23.The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.
    24.Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet as quickly as possible.
    25.Be courteous to everyone, friendly to no one. Habib is NOT your Friend! (TGJ note: That's Arabic for "friend," or "beloved.")
    26.Your number one Option for Personal Security is a lifelong commitment to three skill sets: Avoidance, Deterrence, and De-Capitation.
    27.Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with at least a "4..."



US Army Rules for Gun Fighting

    1.See USMC Rules to Gun Fighting.
    2.Add 60 to 90 days.
    3.Hope and Pray that the Corps has already destroyed all meaningful resistance.



US Navy Rules for Gun Fighting

    1.Adopt an aggressive offshore posture.
    2.Send in the Marines.
    3.Drink Coffee and eat donuts.


US Air Force Rules for Gun Fighting

    1.Kiss the wife goodbye.
    2.Drive to the base in your sports car.
    3.Fly to target area, drop bombs, (try not to hit the Canuks) fly back to your home base.
    4.BBQ some burgers and drink beer in your back yard, and talk sh*t about the Navy, Army and Marines.
    5.File huge travel vouchers whenever possible.



Obama's rules for gunfighting (for non-Republicans, non-Libertarians, and non-Tea Party members) (He is the 44th president, two terms, January 20, 2009-2017 pending the announcement of martial law, suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and of dictator-for-life. He is suspected to eventually be a three term President, contrary to laws of the United States of America.)
    1. Immediately hand over all of your money and posessions.
    2. Offer to take them to the ATM and withdraw your life savings.
    3. Give them anything they want, offer what they didn't consider. Try crying.
    4. Offer your family in exchange for your life.
    5. If this doesn't work, throw your hands in the air and scream like a little girl.
    6. Consider urinating and defecating on yourself. No one wants wet money and the smell might drive them away.
    7. Feign death and collapse on the ground. Perhaps they will leave you alone.
    8. Continue to vote anti-gun since it worked SO WELL to keep that gun from the criminal you're now facing.
    9. You're less likely to be robbed since you can't afford jewelry due to higher taxes. Obama is just watching out for you in the ghetto where you now live. It used to be a nice place.
   10. Pray for a public servant to come save you and hope they don't hurt you even worse. Times are tough for Government employees.
   11. Kiss it all goodbye, everything you've worked for, everything you've ever had and will have. It's all gone now.



NAA rules for Gun Fighting (for upstanding God-fearing American Patriots)

    1. Always have a gun and carry responsibly. There's no reason not to.
    2. You really could have two, you know. So could they.
    3. No one will know you're packing.
    4. A mini is not so heavy that you want to leave it at home or in a vehicle.
    5. A gun in your safe or on your night stand doesn't help you if you get home and someone unfriendly is there. The one in your hand will.
    6. Practice often with your mini. Skill can defeat a lack of it.
    7. Respect the combat opinions of veteran United States Service members, former and current.
    8. The best defense is not to be in a dangerous place. The best offence is to stop it before it starts.
    9. If you can't get to it fast, it's useless.
  10. PAY ATTENTION. You can't respond to threats you didn't notice. (This is called situational awareness.)
  11. Self-reliance: Assume the police will NEVER be there at the right time.
  12. Think about your self defense and how you could be vulnerable. When you see a problem, fix it.
  13. Be peaceful and if not, win. Stop the threat or get away... preferrably both.

Chestnut time.
  32. Obliques are a 1-blunt spoon.
  33. Walls are friends, don't run alternative OS.



"Guns, God, and Country."


Any to add to the list?

[ikoiko]

Know that your ammo and gun always have a very volatile relationship when they butt heads

[bigwheel]

Wow that's some weighty stuff and mighty good advice. Thanks for sharing. I got to send the branch comparisons to my old liberal swabby big brudder. He thinks he can beat up Jyrenes with one hand tied behind his back. Silly rabbit.

[bud]

Years ago there was this UGLY- UGLY I mean butt ugly girl that looked like she fell from the ugly tree and got hit with every branch from the tree on the way down. She told me that if she was in the war, she would drop her weapon and tell the enemy lets f#*k not fight. I looked at her and said, girl, you are one dead ***. 

[bigwheel]

Wow..good story. Now in the past area of personal experiences Fly Boys aint that picky. Back in the good old days at around age 14 or so..several of us local hooligans noticed a person could park the car..and walk in with the rest of the guys and go to the Airmens Club on the base to drink 20 cent long necks. What a deal huh? Anyway it was a real fancy place with crystal chandrroilles? A barber shoppe..Steak house etc. It was not like the Marine counterpart where they drink from dixie cups and the benches is bolted to the floor. Anyway each time we went to fraternize with the troops in the beer guzzling part always noticed some of the biggest high school girl skanks..sweat hawgs..or what yall call em in Boston? Got to have a name? All them goofy airmen just climbing over the top of each other trying  to buy them beer and dance to boogaloog music on the juke box etc. Those guys have no standards. Your ugly lady friends strategy would work with them horny bastids..lol

[TwoGunJayne]

Some of the AF guys call that "hogging." Some AF guys haven't heard the term.

Out in the sandbox, a big man worked out at the tent gym. He's a lifter and back at his base there were t-shirts for those who broke certain levels on military press or bench press. The "300 club," the "400 club," and so on. Some "hoggers" from another base saw this and it matched their terminology, as far as "hogging" went. It was an active competition with a money pool where they were from.

The hoggers walked up to the huge, meaty lifter and began congratulating him. "Wow, guy! 600 club?!? You're the MAN! None of us have ever even been close to that!" The lifter replied, "Yeah, it's a lot of hard work to get there... it's worth it, though." The hoggers asked him, "so how much did you win?"

"Huh?"
"How much did you win hogging?"
"What?"

Once the big lifter found out what they were talking about, he turned beet red and flew out of the gym. I have it on good account that he never wore that shirt again.

[bigwheel]

Lot of cute stories floating around out there..lol. I got a classic from an old Marine pal goes similar to this. In his beer garten where similar of his genre hung out..they had a standard weekly or monthly betting pool about who could romance the biggest and ugliest of the opposite of the species. The pot was built up very good and time was short. Miss Right waddles in and he starts buying her doubles of good stuff and told her about his fat lady fetish etc. Anyway they take off to the no tell Motel in her car. He gets her in the sack at which point she passes out and he takes off her 54 Queen underdrawers and hoofs it back to the watering hole. He comes in and lays the garment on the bar say wheres my money? The bar keep say we already had it ready for you. You were announced the grand prize winner just based on the direction the car was sagging hen you left...lol. That goofy Jyrene always break me up with stories like that. Those guys are animuls huh? lol He helped kick some serious Arab booty around the Emirs Ranch in Desert Storm. He taught me more about cool tank rounds and Tow missles than a civilian should know about..lol.

[Maccab]

Withdraw your pistol from a holster in a confined space, keep it tucked into your hip "muzzle forward" then it can't be grabbed etc so easily. Don't silhouette yourself by walking along the edge of raised ground for example, drag a bush behind you in an attempt to remove your footprints "presumably one would attempt to use it like a brush" in the snow for example. Lie on the floor and shoot upwards when approaching corners, as the enemy will generally have there weapons pointing higher. On stairwells, same thing, and utilize ricochets if appropriate i.e. Angles, similar to firing through floors or walls if you think you can, do.

[Maccab]

Other than that, what you guys said.

A phone app would be handy these days eh, with rails on guns, have a wee camera on a watch for example which unclips from the strap attach to your rail, Bluetooth the pictures to your phone, shoot round corners.

[Maccab]

Oh and stand well back from the window if firing out of buildings, raise yourself up to facilitate this if required via piling up furniture etc.

[bigwheel]

Gotcha Sir. Thanks for all of those good tips.

[TwoGunJayne]

Other than that, what you guys said.

A phone app would be handy these days eh, with rails on guns, have a wee camera on a watch for example which unclips from the strap attach to your rail, Bluetooth the pictures to your phone, shoot round corners.

Oh and stand well back from the window if firing out of buildings, raise yourself up to facilitate this if required via piling up furniture etc.

I hope that's an "android" phone. Windows kill.

So I thought I was lucky and a sweet pretty one was back at my place with me, all alone. They freaked out and started yelling, they even pulled a blade on me; I had done nothing wrong as far as I was aware. I'd had some good boxing recently and managed to disarm and pin. I broke their blade and tossed them out along with the pieces and made a phone call. Alone in the wild, I guess you hope for a bit of sweetness. Isolation can be tough and makes an otherwise hard person vulnerable. Too bad, really. It was their loss. It would have been good for them.

Reminder: Looks can kill. Muscle memory can help, the hard teachings of life and training, but the best weapon is perception and understanding. Read the situation and body language. I seem to be better at telling when an amateur is going to throw a punch than when a nice person is interested in me. How freaking sad is that?

In my teens, I went to a hunting rendevous that changed my life. Not so much at first, but I think it really shaped me as a person. It was like separation of the weak and the strong from the herd, like Evolution. (Fundamentalists in the crowd, don't start now please.) There was an old Army guy there that had killed more deer than the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries. There were a few young crazies, a bit older than me at the time; more interested in drink and party than the hunt, they spotted zero game animals and complained bitterly. An old fat guy who made jokes about how he was a tub of lard killed three deer with a single shot .410 using slugs. I saw my first bobcat and didn't shoot it. I had no idea how much the pelt was worth, nor did I know that deer are terrified of them. Apparently, a bobcat can take out a faun with zero problems.

The thing that I remember most is that I saw that bobcat. He seemed the size of a labrador retriever (and I could see that it was male.) Within an hour, a old head sneaked up on me with a .44 magnum lever gun. I detected the bobcat, but I never saw the man wearing a blaze orange vest until he intentionally stepped on a branch about 20 feet away. I'm positive that he did it on purpose. He smiled at me and slinked off into the brush. I only heard one shot.

I got three deer in my sights that rendevous, but I didn't have any doe tags. My closest shot was a jump shot with a pause at about 5 yards. My weapon at the time was a 12 gauge double barrel... for the brush you know. At an early age, I had hunter's and sportsman's morals. No doe tags (for the species) and it wasn't a buck. I could have gotten some meat.

One buck can service quite a few does in a specific area.  Things seemed quite similar talking to the military guys I've known. It's kind of strange how hunter's morals and the way things seem to be in a tense and strained environment can be similar as far as the people go. The attitudes, the decisions... I found out that rendevous that there were a few people there that I couldn't trust in the woods. As far as three of the most dangerous people, I had nothing to worry about from them. Four people out there were former US military and the crazy people weren't even in the same league as those guys. A civilian made it to my personal top 3 ranking of that rendevous.

At least we had supplies.

Just a story. Oh wait, did this belong in the "stories" section? Sorry about that. I'll delete and repost.

It's the second week of deer camp
I got a swollen head
I'm lying with the dustballs
Underneath the bed
An icy breeze is blowing
Into the tongue and groove
My pants are frozen to the floor
And I'm too sick to move
I didn't drink so many
Just durty (thirty) cans of beer
It musta been that last shot
That put me under here

It's the second week of deer camp
And all the guys are here
We drink play cards and shoot the bull
But never shoot no deer
The only time we leave the camp
Is when we go for beer
The second week of deer camp
Is the greatest time of year

I remember playing poker
That weasel musta won
He's wearing my new swampers
And sleeping with my gun
He's snoring like a chainsaw
The camp smells like a dump
Someone's dirty underwear
Is hanging on the pump
Mickey's in the woodbox
Weener's on the stove
His flannel shirt is smoking (sniff)
I wonder if he knows (YEOW!)

Beadle's crawling through the door
I think he got frostbite
He passed out in the outhouse
And he's been there since last night
Goofus stumbled through the door
He says he got a buck
He was coming from the wayside
And hit it with his truck
Musty cracked a beer and said
Let's celebrate
Goofus caught the first buck
Since 1968

--Rodney Potila, Jim DeCaire, Lynn Anderson, Jim Pennell. 1976-87, exact date unknown. I heard this song much later than the hunting trip I've told you about. It seemed about right, so I thought I'd quote it.

[RogueTS1]

I especially like Marine rule #13. To me it is "the fight winner."

[Kentucky Kevin]

Saved to afile and printed for my boys 8 & 10, don't fight. If you fight, win. These rules are as important as the safety rules. Thanks

[TwoGunJayne]

NAA site user note: The NAA Rules of Gun fighting are UNDER CONSTRUCTION!

Please post your submission for the NAA Rules of Gun fighting and the admin of the Rules will consider it's addition! A couple of users already have had their thoughts rewritten into the list!

Think twice, post once, and understand the words might change a bit.

EDIT: Updated, HTW. You are rule #13. This is a magic number for the United States of America. You lucky dog, you!

Bad news? It's time to re-save and reprint.

[Kentucky Kevin]

If it's worth fighting for, it's worth dieing for, but somebody does NOT have to die to end the fight. Fight like you might die. You fight until the threat is stopped. If you make to your car, you drive away, not reload

[.54Cal_Kidd]

Stay away from walls, they act as bullet guides. Hard floors can too.

And as an ex Zoomie I say: Go ugly early! That way you actually score, you perform better and there's no surprises in the morn...

[bigwheel]

Well wished I could think of something to offer on this topic..but them crazy Jyrene rules seemed to have covered most anything anybody could say. One tip that was engrained into my head which was sometimes a bad old gunfight can erupt while the good guy is still sitting in the car. They taught us early on just start popping caps through the windshield and towards the instigators. The conventional wisdom was a .357 mag with 158 grain flat noses did not pause much for the glass. Suspect a mini .22 might make a hole too..just guessing. Might at least give a person time to dismount for a better strategic position.

[TwoGunJayne]

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

If you haven't read every article on this site, get some time and a glass of water. It's all about ammo penetration testing.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu122.htm

They even gave a "shout out" to us. He should test the 4" Earl or 6" Hogleg next. Keep in mind that 9" of "bad guy" is enough to have a terminal effect. The FBI 12" "minimum" is for a hand cannon that still does 12" after going through 3 sheets of drywall, a piece of sheet metal, 4 leather jackets and a class 2 vest. (Okay, I'm exaggerating, but not by much.)

[bigwheel]

Very interesting read thanks. The lack of expansion is a bit surprising. Thought the ammos makers were churning out some reliable expanding fast moving zombie loads .but guess not. Or they werent used for the test maybe. Must go back to the old conventional wisdom in that hand gun ammo does not normally generate enough velocity to make it expand the bullet much if any. i.e. The size of the hole desired in the bad guy will be about the size of the bullet being launched. If a peson wants to make a little hole use a .22..for those desiring a big hole a .50 would work well. Guess thats why the .45 tends to remain so popular. Biggest hole maker you can get in a regular old everyday caliber.

[TwoGunJayne]

He didn't test the new Hornady CD rounds, the CCI TNT, nor the Speer Gold Dot rounds. Not his fault, I don't think they were out when he wrote the article. Gel tests show those things can expand.

[bigwheel]

Reminds me of some court testimony I heard about one time. The nice lawyer asks the the witness. How come you carry a .45?..gasp from the jury. The witness says...because they do not sell .50's.