Feed your minis! Who's got the ammo.

TwoGunJayne · August-07-13 14:08

At time of posting, cheaperthandirt has CCI .22lr minimag 100 round boxes at .19c a round. That's way too high, but maybe that's why they still have stock. Sadly, CCI match grade is the same price.

They are still sitting on their stock of CCI .22 mag Maximag at $1 per round.

Hey, Cabela's has CCI minimag .22 lr at .09c a round in stock!
50 .22 mag for $14.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Ammunition/Rimfire-Ammunition|/pc/104792580/c/104691780/sc/104536080/CCISpeer-22-Rimfire-Ammunition/705571.uts?destination=/catalog/browse/shooting-ammunition-rimfire-ammunition/_/N-1100192/Ns-CATEGORY_SEQ_104536080?recordsPerPage=99999&avad=74383_c4c0bb0b&WT.mc_id=al56335&rid=12&WT.tsrc=AFF

Unfortunately, they are limiting to 1 box per purchase.

TwoGunJayne · August-07-13 14:08

I'm fed up with the ammo scalpers buying everything that's resonable and adding a zero to the price tag. I just don't know what to do about it.

Vendors are either overcharging big time or limiting people to 1 box per customer per day so you end up paying 50% of the price in shipping.

Diogenes · August-07-13 16:08

Slickguns.com post (almost) realtime Internet deals from several sources. They don't always have anything approaching 'reasonable', but sometimes they do.

tomhawes2002 · August-07-13 17:08

Hey TwoGunJayne. Thanks for the info and link! I have been unable to find the CCI Mini Mags anywhere locally and most online sources I had checked were too proud of their ammo for my taste. The Cabelas price seemed ok, although as you said shipping is over half the cost of the ammo. Merchandise = $8.99, Postage = $5.95, Tax = $1.23, ORDER TOTAL = $16.17. Still price was acceptable to me and I now at least have a small supply for carry purposes instead of relying on the generic Remington I have been having to rely on lately. I normally like to carry round one as CCI Shot Shell, rounds 2-5 CCI Mini Mag. The last several months I have been caring round one as CCI Shot Shell and rounds 2-5 as generic Remington. Be good to get back to normal.

Goatpacker · August-07-13 17:08

This whole ammo deal is really pretty sad!!! I live out in the country and as much as I hate to say it, when you live out in the sticks sometimes you can't complain about the price, you just have to be glad they have it!!! There is a store down here in Texas that has Velocitors for $9.50 a box!!! Kinda high but not that bad and has a few different flavors of mags as well!!! I stop by about once a week and look for anything new and he keeps telling me that he has ordered but it just comes in when it comes in!!! I'm looking for the Hornady CD and he says he has had an order in for that for a long time now and never seen a box!!! As far as a box a day goes? I asked him about the Velocitors and he said how may boxes??? I said give me a brick and he put it on the counter!!! I said how about two bricks and he said lets save some for others!!!

TwoGunJayne · August-07-13 21:08

My personal chrony and informal tests agree with others on the Hornady CD round...

THIS ROUND IS FOR RIFLES! This is a completely NASTY round for rifles. Chrono and gel tests say that (very very strangely) it's not much better than FMJ unless you have a long enough barrel. Make no mistake, this round gets as nasty as they come out of a 6" and longer barrel. Really. Really nasty.

It's like they designed a "personal defence" round based off of the old Ruger Single Six .22 convertible (lr/mag) pistol.

With these longer barrel lengths, the Federal TNT and Hornady CD are pretty darn close in effect.

That said, those TNT rounds expand in an unopened soda can from a Black Widow at 10 feet and split the can with hydro shock.

Selecting personal defence ammo for the NAA minis is very simple. You want 30-ish grains and you want it to go pretty fast. Hollow points seem a waste of time as at this velocity they will likely penetrate deeply and mostly not expand. You get what you can get. Put a couple in the right place and it works. It's just as simple as that.

I've read so many gel tests, done so many chrono tests and read so many really great ballistics reviews. I almost hate to say it, but .22 magnum from a 2" to 4" and even 6" inches.

EDIT: This is a rant and was very much a worse one with some of the other irritations in my life bled into it for a bit. Hopefully, I've edited the post so it's on topic for rimfire magnum in this section.

Kentucky Kevin · August-08-13 06:08

2GJ, I was wondering if meds were involved? I've got a few rounds left, is that right?

TwoGunJayne · August-08-13 10:08

My face is burning. Not so loud, please.

Goatpacker · August-08-13 14:08

Does anyone know of where the Hornady CD's can be bought??? I am to the point where I will even mail order some!!! Mail order ammo does not work too well for me because someone has to sign for it and I live alone in the sticks!!! Ordered some ammo once and they just left a note saying I had to go pick it up in person!!! 60 miles one way!!!

Dinadan · August-08-13 18:08

Quote from: Goatpacker on August-08-13 14:08
Does anyone know of where the Hornady CD's can be bought??? I am to the point where I will even mail order some!!! Mail order ammo does not work too well for me because someone has to sign for it and I live alone in the sticks!!! Ordered some ammo once and they just left a note saying I had to go pick it up in person!!! 60 miles one way!!!

Goatpacker - unless your state or locality has a special law, whether or not you have to sign for ammo depends on the seller. I buy from Cheaper-Than-Dirt and they do not require a signature. Neither does Sportsman's Guide or Ammo-To-Go. I also had the experience of ammo arriving and needing a signature. Thegunsource required a signature last and only time I ordered from them. Note that on some sites you will have the option of requiring or not requiring a signature - typically a tiny box to check or not check.

Silentknight · August-08-13 18:08

Im about 50 miles above Atlanta and Im between about 7 WalMarts between here and there.I have no problem getting a brick a week.(1 or 2 boxes at a time)

Kentucky Kevin · August-08-13 22:08

guys, i'm not trying to gloat. Wake up, there is a storm coming, be prepared.I'm still shooting some .01 ammo , actually .01855

Goatpacker · August-09-13 04:08

Dinadan, Thank You for the info!!! I thought is was some legal thing that ammo had to be signed for by a person other than a minor.

OV-1D · August-09-13 05:08

Quote from: Hardtackwon on August-08-13 22:08
guys, i'm not trying to gloat. Wake up, there is a storm coming, be prepared.I'm still shooting some .01 ammo , actually .01855

It seems Hardtack some of us are on the same page . Just like icebergs what we see is only the tip . A stranger world is apon us and being kept behind closed doors as most of our important government issues are .

TwoGunJayne · August-09-13 07:08

Quote from: Hardtackwon on August-08-13 22:08
guys, i'm not trying to gloat. Wake up, there is a storm coming, be prepared.I'm still shooting some .01 ammo , actually .01855

You just can't safely load rimfire (I've checked) and I've pretty much quit shooting rimfire if I can't replace what I shoot. I've got a little pile of it, not a mountain. Trying to use perchlorate or powdered sugar/perchlorate will ruin your chamber and bore. It's also unstable and I'm really allergic to chain fire and premature round lighting while an action is cycling.

I can load any game load for 12 gauge, any big game for 7mm-08, I've got the big game hunting pistols and the small SD pistols covered. I've sold pretty much everything else! It isn't that I was unprepared, it's just that the shortage has hit one specific target that I can't really seem to safely do anything about. I don't actually have a lot of stuff. Far from it! Not counting 12 gauge hulls and wads, all my gun stuff probably fits in 1 or 2 foot lockers.

I'm fine on everything but rimfire. I'm fully stocked on reloading 12 gauge (smokeless and bp) with molds, bp .50 rifle with molds and caps, bp .45 revolver with molds and caps, bp .22 revolver, 7mm-08, .460s&w/.45lc with molds, 9mm/380 with molds, and at least have the dies for .357/38, .40, and have been toying with getting .32 acp dies just to do it. My press is nothing to write home about, just a single stager. It works, though. It's even paid for.

If anything, I learned that I was WAY too over-represented in (and dependent upon) the rimfire category and now it's costing me. Now that I've sold off a lot and re-arranged, I'm good to go. I have one projectile that works in my .50 BP rifle (with sabot,) my Remington 1858, and my .460. I have one projectile that works in 9mm and .380. Versatility is king! I just miss burning bricks through my minis, that's all.

Weirdly, I can get big bore centerfire loaded ammo and components any day of the week. It's just rimfire this time. Anyone remember the last shortage when everyone in the country simultaneously slapped their foreheads and said "I need a .380!!" Well, this time, they all decided to get a .22.

I hereby make a prediction. Since "everyone" also decided to get a .223 this time, then the NEXT shortage will likely be something like 12 gauge. Maybe then, America will finally be restocked and reloaded and us serious shooters can get back to burning a brick of rimfire a week for .02 cents a round. Grr. I miss it badly.

G50AE · August-09-13 18:08

I think I need to open a factory and just make primers.

Dinadan · August-09-13 19:08

I do not really buy into the conspiracy theories, but this prolonged shortage of .22 rimfire is just weird. I do think that the end may be near. $19.19 for 100 CCI Mini-mags is only twice what I had been paying at Walmart before this shortage began. When the price drops just a little more I can start buying thousands of rounds to hoard, and thus help prolong the shortage even further!

jim c 351 · August-09-13 20:08

2GJ,
I'm a little confused. Would you please explain what you mean by "nasty" concerning the Hornady CD 22 mag. Going by what I've read It looked to me that the Hornady CD or the Winchester 45 gr ,22 mag would be the best self defense load in the 22 mag cal. When your opponent is a squirrel expansion is important. When you opponent is a person, penetration is more important than expansion, in the 22 mini.
Thanks ,
Jim C

TwoGunJayne · August-10-13 12:08

Sure thing.

Out of a decent barrel length, the .22 Hornady CD (assuming they go off every time with your hammer spring, etc) nearly penetrates as much as a .380 (with certain barrel lengths) while offering decent and controlled expansion.

Everything I've read shows that the .22 HCD doesn't do so well from a 1" barrel. The gel tests I've seen show some really decent permanent cavitation from 4" and 6" barrels.

Of course, if you've got more gel and real-world tests to read, I'm all about it! Post links, I want to read more!

jim c 351 · August-10-13 13:08

2GJ,
Are you saying that Hornady rimfire ammo is more likely to misfire??
I've got the 1 5/8 inch barrel.
What is your opinion of the Winchester 45 gr 22 mag.
Jim C

TwoGunJayne · August-10-13 14:08

The early runs of the Hornady CD had a problem with misfires, suppsedly they fixed it. I never had a problem with it personally, but I'm not an early adopter.

As far as using 45 grain, that should work just don't be surprised if it keyholes. The heavier grain ammo has somewhat of a tendency to do that. As far as penetration, it should be okay.

In WW2, the Brits at one point decided to use superheavy .38 bullets to keyhole on purpose. They said it worked okay. It isn't always a bad thing and accuracy at close range won't be much affected.

Kentucky Kevin · August-11-13 06:08

2GJ, good wisdom, realized yesterday that my 9 year old was just burning lead, and slowed that to a stop so that the learning could continue under better/controlled conditions. need to do something about shotgun sustainability also

Roy Odhner · August-11-13 10:08

There is a dealer in Burleson, TX, that is selling .22wmr at a decent price - $19.95 for 50. Better yet, he's always seems to have some on hand. It's not the Critical Defense or Gold Dots, but he does have basic .22wmr JHP or FMJ. I just bought two boxes of Remington 40grain JHP, and now I've got about 500 rounds on hand. I think that the Hornady or Speer self-defense offerings do perform a bit better than the regular .22wmr, but not enough to cry over if I can't find it. No matter how you stack it, I think that 40(ish) grains of either JHP or FMJ is gonna cause some serious damage and get your point across. Perhaps not as big a point as .38spcl or 9mm, but enough of a point to get the varmint (two or four legged) that you just shot to cease the behavior that you wish to modify to your benefit.

TwoGunJayne · August-11-13 11:08

I was just gifted a brick of .22 lr purchased at a gun show for .19 cents a round. I didn't ask for it, I just politely said "thanks!"

Guess I'm going to go shoot some minis!

PS: antique Sellier and Bellot unjacketed lead round nose. I will report if there is a large amount of failures to fire.

Edit: Rain for the next three days. Sigh...