The NAA "Not made yet" Wish List Thread

[TwoGunJayne]

Quote from: uncle_lee on Today at 03:38:10 AM

    I want a pair of 4" Sidewinders.
    Or a pair of 9.5" Sidewinders.
    Or a pair of 3" 32 acp minis.

Uncle Lee, I'll see your NAA wish list and raise you my NAA wish list.

1. 9.5 inch Sidewinder conversion pair
2. 4 inch Sidewinder conversion pair
3. .22 short conversion cylinder for 4" C&B Earl
4. A .380 Guardian that is convertible to .32 NAA
5. The same deal with a .32 acp Guard and .25 NAA. Convertible is a deal maker.
6. The cap and ball "Black Widow Judge" 3 ball and shot concept that had been floated recently.
7. A pair of .32 acp minis to give to Uncle Lee so he will be happy.
8. A few sets of those silver carbon fiber grips when Brian of Designergrips (new owner) gets his stars aligned and production begins.
9. To figure out a RTZ (return-to-zero) quick release scope mount arrangement for Mini Master to take a pistol scope. I have three requirements: 1. The RTZ must work, 2. Iron sights must be usable with the scope dismounted, and 3. looks good. Stainless or aluminum would be preferred.
10. A Venom laser mod to legal max pointer 5 milliwatt pulsed green, perhaps a dually or triad with a 5mm white nichia wedged in the center. (That is to say, 2 or 3 pointers at 5 mw each) Also... TOUCH PAD.

[RogueTS1]

Double action/single action Guardian .380 with a decocker lever and all the add ons I go on about. Big Dot sights, checkering fore and aft, front slide serrations.

[Mandodoc]

A sidewinder mini master would be cool.

[jw1128]

how awesome would a double action sidewinder or pug be? 

[TeeJay37]

What about a .25 mini? It seems like it wouldn't have to be much bigger. Or, with their history of doing it, NAA could make a new round. The .25 magnum. You'd get the reliable ignition of a centerfire with still having an incredibly compact revolver.

[Maccab]

Blank firing versions for sour fruit eaters to play around with.

[TeeJay37]

I think a Sidewinder with a 2" - 2 1/2" barrel that is blued would look amazing. Maybe even with those Buntline grips.

[TwoGunJayne]

Blank firing versions for sour fruit eaters to play around with.

I think it'd be really neat if NAA made a parlor pistol and/or blanker and flare launcher. Sort of like those kittle keychain pinfires, except with some quality this time?

[mouselvr]

What about a .25 mini? It seems like it wouldn't have to be much bigger.

+1.

[nastruck]

Wow I'm thinking mini machine gun in LR with ankle holster....

[TwoGunJayne]

Why not a "miniature Mare's Leg," but in .22 lr or maybe even .25 or .32 NAA with a 8" barrel or so? It would count as a pistol and could have a flip-up tang mounted sight. The neat thing about those is that they are graduated for some fairly long distances.

It would be too fun.

If not a mini Mare's Leg, then perhaps a miniature Spencer rifle but in .22 not .50 rimfire? Think a takedown Spencer tiny enough to fit in the standard NAA box? If the Mare's Leg is legit, then something like that could be as well. That would be way too cool.

[Dinadan]

I will be happy to see a 2" to 2 1/2" Sidewinder at some point.

I would like to see Ruger come out with a five shot .327 Bearcat with a 3" barrel. I am pretty sure it is possible since I have seen a one off alteration that did that.

Even better would be the same thing chambered for .32 ACP with the cylinder shortened to fit the cartridge and a 2 1/2" barrel and birdshead grips.

[Uncle_Lee]

Thanks for the thoughts TGJ.
I will pray that you get everything you want for Christmas (even the Cheerleaders).

.32 acp mini with a barrel between 3 & 4".

[cfsharry]

Give me a Ranger redesign. Magnum frame resized to the .22 rimfire cylinder. Manual extraction rather than automatic if that would bring the price down. To my eyes a better proportioned pistol would be the result.
Dinidan,
Why .32acp in the Bearcat. Just for the smaller package? I like the .327 mag you described and feel you would accomplish almost the same thing size-wise by using 21/2" barrel but with a much better performing cartridge.
Read an article about a five shot 32-20 Bearcat conversion. Beautiful little gun but very pricey.

[shadow six]

I would love to see NAA make a break-top, 5 shot .380 along the line of the Smith & Wesson Mdl 1 1/2 pocket revolver in .32 (circa 1898).  If you get around to it, shorten the barrel to 2 1/2 ", produce it in stainless, AND if you put me number one on the list, I will design two holsters for it (one for cross draw concealed; and one for pocket concealed).  I won't charge you if you cut me a bodacious discount on the cost of the revolver, AND I will be one of your best word of mouth advertisers (the last one is a gimme, because I already sing your praises far and wide).  I have even used your Mini-mag for personal protection and can testify as to its effectiveness.  Hornady Varmint express, .22Mag and your mini revolver is an extremely effective combination.

[MR_22]

I've got just two:

6-inch Sidewinder combo
Guardian .22LR

[Dinadan]

Dinidan,
Why .32acp in the Bearcat. Just for the smaller package? I like the .327 mag you described and feel you would accomplish almost the same thing size-wise by using 21/2" barrel but with a much better performing cartridge.
Read an article about a five shot 32-20 Bearcat conversion. Beautiful little gun but very pricey.

I just have a feeling that a full powered .327 would be a bit much in a Bearcat size gun. I have never shot .327 out of a Bearcat so that is just a guess. I know I could shoot S&W Shorts or Longs out of the same gun if that were the case. Just thinking that a shorter cylinder for .32 ACP would make the gun more compact. Like you say, shortening the barrel would also make it more compact.

I like your idea (if I understand correctly) of NAA building a Ranger (or any Mini) with a LR length cylinder and frame, but Magnum grip frame. For guys who want the magnum size grips but do not want the extra length of the Magnum cylinder. I could go for one of those.

[JES14352]

Talo BlackJack Pug , 1  3/4  ported.....

[heyjoe]

Why not a "miniature Mare's Leg," but in .22 lr or maybe even .25 or .32 NAA with a 8" barrel or so? It would count as a pistol and could have a flip-up tang mounted sight. The neat thing about those is that they are graduated for some fairly long distances.

It would be too fun.

excellant idea with the mare's leg

on the bearcat, the performance of the .327 declines significantly once the barrel goes below 3" according to ballistics by the inch. i like the idea of a 32 acp bearcat, .327 bearcat and of course a 32 acp mini.

[cfsharry]

Dinadan,
Unlike most here, I own only one mini, a 1 5/8" LR. I have always felt its' handling ability and controllability would be improved greatly if the Magnum frame were shortened to accommodate the LR cylinder. It would, in my opinion be a more balanced and etheticly pleasing revolver. Incorporate the Ranger design into the equation and I believe NAA would have a real winner. Reintroduce the Ranger and I will double my holdings.
Joe,
Ballistics by the Inch is, without doubt, one of the more important gunny sites on the web. I agree that the .327 performs way better out of a longer barrel but the energy levels aren't that bad from a 2 1/2" barrel.
For comparison:
85 gr. Fed. Hydra-Shok .327 mag.- 1,153 ft/sec - 251 ft/lbs
65 gr. Fed. Hydra-Shok   .32 acp  -    849 ft/sec - 104 ft/lbs
30 gr. Fed.                     .22 mag - 1,051 ft/sec -   75 ft/lbs
Better then double the muzzle energy of the .32acp from a Bearcat makes me lean toward the .327 mag. 
For a mini sized gun however, the .32acp would, for me, be a winner.

[Dinadan]

I am off topic here, but:

cfsharry - you need more minis!!

Thinking about the .327 versus .32 ACP, I just feel that in the search for the best concealed revolver that at some point you have to say "This is powerful enough for concealed carry" and stop escalating. That line is a personal choice. For myself, I would prefer a shorter cartridge and smaller revolver. Heck, half the time or more I carry LR in my Minis instead of magnum, so why would I worry about .32 ACP not being equal to .327.

[Uncle_Lee]

It's all about bullet placement anyway.
Not high power.
A hit with a 32 acp is better than a miss with a 44 mag.

[G50AE]

Here's my take,
1- Remake of the HJS Frontier Four, pepper-box design
2- Single shot 50AE pocket pistol 
3- Remake of the Webley-Fosbury Auto-revolver in some caliber that is commonly available
4- Break top revolver like the Ranger.

[Uncle_Lee]

Hey 50,

Here you go:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=367608609

[jw1128]

What about a .25 mini? It seems like it wouldn't have to be much bigger. Or, with their history of doing it, NAA could make a new round. The .25 magnum. You'd get the reliable ignition of a centerfire with still having an incredibly compact revolver.

25 Magnium sounds awesome.

[jw1128]

Hey 50,

Here you go:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=367608609

I can't believe the bid is only up to 28 bucks.  Looks like it needs a really good cleaning, but I bet it still shoots.

[TwoGunJayne]

When I checked, that $28 was on a 6 days remaining auction...

Remake of the HJS Frontier Four, pepper-box design

I must say, the Sharps Pattern/HJS/etc would be desirable new from NAA with spare barrel sets seeing as how it was available in .32 acp, .22, etc.

Another odd one is the Chicago Fireman's pistol, .32 acp. It's an odd duck, but beat-up examples tend to command $2k+. It'd also be an AOW if the real ones didn't fall under C&R. Since it would be a C&R replica, that might ease the path.

[OV-1D]

  That HJS will probably be pushing $ 300.00 when the time comes maybe more . That one looks rough though , good luck .

[cfsharry]

Dinidan,
I hear what you are saying relative to cocealability.  My thinking is; if the delivery package is of the same size, (in this case a Bearcat conversion), I would prefer the more effective cartridge.  Sizing down to a Mini size gun, I would buy a .32acp in an instant.

[Dinadan]

Dinidan,
I hear what you are saying relative to cocealability.  My thinking is; if the delivery package is of the same size, (in this case a Bearcat conversion), I would prefer the more effective cartridge.  Sizing down to a Mini size gun, I would buy a .32acp in an instant.

I guess that a NAA 32 ACP is the Holy Grail to some of us! I would buy one for sure. I would also go for a .25 ACP Mini. You could almost do that with a NAA magnum cylinder and frame. But I think it would be better to make a special frame and cylinder that would be shorter: just long enough for the cartridge. Same thing I was saying about the .327 and .32 ACP.
Like I said, I would love a Bearcat .327 but I bet it would have pretty strong recoil. I have been keeping my eye on Single Six .327s on Gunbroker for a while. 

[45flint]

Give me a Ranger redesign. Magnum frame resized to the .22 rimfire cylinder. Manual extraction rather than automatic if that would bring the price down. To my eyes a better proportioned pistol would be the result.
Dinidan,
Why .32acp in the Bearcat. Just for the smaller package? I like the .327 mag you described and feel you would accomplish almost the same thing size-wise by using 21/2" barrel but with a much better performing cartridge.
Read an article about a five shot 32-20 Bearcat conversion. Beautiful little gun but very pricey.

I second the Ranger 22LR idea, manual extraction I like it.   Steve

[heyjoe]

Im not sure if a Ruger Bearcat could handle the pressure generated by the .327 magnum which is 45,000psi. 44 magnum is only 36,000 psi in comparison. 22 magnum is  24,000 psi and 32 acp is also 24,000 psi. plus the walls between the cylinder holes would be much thinner with the .327 as opposed to the 22 magnum.

[heyjoe]

the only .327 single six's were custom made.

[Dinadan]

I second the Ranger 22LR idea, manual extraction I like it.   Steve

I could go for one of those too. The reason I did not try to get a Ranger when they came out was that I was waiting for a LR conversion. I think the Ranger was one of the best looking revolvers released in the last decade and would love to have one as a shooter.

Im not sure if a Ruger Bearcat could handle the pressure generated by the .327 magnum which is 45,000psi. 44 magnum is only 36,000 psi in comparison. 22 magnum is  24,000 psi and 32 acp is also 24,000 psi. plus the walls between the cylinder holes would be much thinner with the .327 as opposed to the 22 magnum.

This is the story I saw about a custom .327 Bearcat. I notice that the cylinder had to be lengthened for the .327 - another reason to go with .32 ACP!
http://www.gunblast.com/Harton-327Bearcat.htm

[cfsharry]

heyjoe,
Facts......the ultimate trump cards!
Dinidan,
Now that you mention it I recall the 32-20 build I read about required a longer cylinder and the frame had to be lengthened to accommodate it.  A very pricey project to be sure.
Has anyone that you know of gotten an answer as to what NAA would have to price the Ranger at to make it viable? Inquiring minds want to know