Hello I'm new to this forum and I have a question/product suggestion...

Uncle_Lee · October-21-13 09:10

I would buy the Ruger #1 in either 25NAA or 32NAA.
Well, probably one of each would be more correct.

Or a Sharps.

MR_22 · October-21-13 09:10

Quote from: OV-1D on October-21-13 02:10
Thats the same idea vaccum salesmen use , oh those gold plated Kirbys .

I'm not sure what you're saying....

BTW, I have a Kirby and it's the best vacuum we've owned. We bought it 20 years ago, early in our marriage, and it's still running great. I had to replace the electrical plug (just the part that goes into the wall) because it wore out, but the amount we paid has certainly been returned to us for not having to buy new vacuums. (Of course, it's had belt replacements and such, but that's just normal maintenance, like a car.)

OV-1D · October-21-13 10:10

Quote from: uncle_lee on October-21-13 09:10
I would buy the Ruger #1 in either 25NAA or 32NAA.
Well, probably one of each would be more correct.

Or a Sharps.

Now your talking Unc_Lee Sharps is just what your looking for .

grayelky · October-21-13 19:10

TGJayne-
At no point did I intend for the 32 caliber rimmed fires I mentioned be made into a semi auto rifle. You and I do in fact agree on that point. I think a simple single shot would have the best chance of hitting the market. To accomplish the goals laid out by the OP, I believe a lever gun to be the best chance at being a commercial success.

Someone (sorry, I forget your screen name, and on this contraption I'll loose what I have typed if I try to go back

) post about IF Glock ever makes a .380. They are well on their way to producing one in Smyrna, GA. It will be comparable to the KT and Ruger, if my info is accurate, and I have reason to believe it is.

There is, or was a company that would produce runs of 32 NAA barrels for the LCP from time to time. I seem to have lost their name, and of course I can't remember it. If I locate it, I will post it on the forum. Seems like they wanted $200 for the barrel and recoil spring. It was at least a large enough number that I wrote off the likely hood of me getting one. And I think it is a good idea.

TeeJay37 · October-22-13 06:10

grayelky, I would love to see Glock come out with an LCP sized pistol. I think I'd rather a 7 round 9mm first(think Kahr CW-9/P-9), but the 380 would be cool. Maybe they'd even go the route of the Pico, and have it shoot .32acp, also.

I would probably sell my LCP for a 380 Glock, if the size was right.

I think more companies need to embrace the .32naa. Especially when you've got the KT and the Pico, where they already have .32 blanks for that gun, and all they'd need to finish the barrel was the proper chamber. If that happens, we would probably see some more ammo companies coming out with defensive ammo and there'd probably be some target ammo, too.

bud · October-22-13 07:10

Diamondback makes a 380 pistol that is about the size of the LCP, and functions like a Glock. AND it also comes in a 9m/m.

Glock actually makes a 380 ACP but are primarily intended for markets which prohibit civilian ownership of firearms chambered in military calibers such as 9×19mm Parabellum. They are not offered in the United States, due to the characteristics of the gun making it unable to pass import restrictions, making the 380 Diamond a nice alternative because they are made in the United States.

TeeJay37 · October-22-13 08:10

I've heard the DB isn't nearly as reliable, though.

bud · October-22-13 14:10

Love mine

G50AE · October-22-13 14:10

Quote from: TeeJay37 on October-22-13 08:10
I've heard the DB isn't nearly as reliable, though.

Because it's not a Glock.

TwoGunJayne · October-22-13 14:10

Quote from: G50AE on October-22-13 14:10
Quote from: TeeJay37 on October-22-13 08:10
I've heard the DB isn't nearly as reliable, though.

Because it's not a Glock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeQEpWqo0mw
...any gun can fail. Entropy poses that all things move towards a broken state without outside effort.

Nice thing about Hipoints is the warranty, reliability and the fact that you can buy 3 (new) to 10 (used) of them for the same price of a "better pistol." I used to think "why in the world would I own garbage like that?" It was because I didn't know any better. Hipoints are actually great, once you "understand." I never thought I could like a gun of such cheap construction. Their "tactical stock" with recoil-absorption springs is actually extremely comfortable to shoot all day, even chambered in .45.

Then again, why get a Glock when you could have a pair of NAA minis with lifetime warranty and all the wonderous benefits that they bring? Always on, lightweight, so on and so forth...

MR_22 · October-22-13 15:10

Quote from: TeeJay37 on October-22-13 08:10
I've heard the DB isn't nearly as reliable, though.

All guns manufacturers have reliability issues. I have two Diamondback DB9's and one DB380 and they are wonderful little weapons. I think you may have been listening to squeaky wheels....

TeeJay37 · October-22-13 15:10

Quote from: MR_22 on October-22-13 15:10
All guns manufacturers have reliability issues. I have two Diamondback DB9's and one DB380 and they are wonderful little weapons. I think you may have been listening to squeaky wheels....

Considering I probably heard it on GlockTalk, you're probably right. This was when they were first introduded, but I seem to remember a lot of people experiencing malfunctions. I asked a guy at my CC class how he liked his 9 and he said he had never had any malfunctions out of it. He came up to me after the 50 round shooting portion and said he had 3 during the text. I would consider getting one, but I don't need another 380 right now, and I'd want a little bigger 9. Like a 7 round Kahr.

MR_22 · October-22-13 15:10

Sure, that all makes sense.

The only problems I've had with my DB9's (and they've been rare), I've attributed to limp wristing, and it's usually within the first magazine at a shooting session, because I forgot how tight I have to hold the gun. That shows how important practice is, because you don't want to be limp wristing during an crisis--although somehow I think I'll be gripping pretty tightly in a situation where I need to shoot.

My DB380 shoots fine, except it doesn't much like hollow-points. Round ball has been 100% in it, both in .380ACP and .32NAA (I have a conversion barrel). Actually, I should clarify--it's still 100% if the first and second round of a full magazine are FMJ. Any of the other rounds can be hollow points. It just has a hard time stripping off hollow points from a full magazine.

I really like my Diamondbacks. My DB380/.32NAA has become my "everyday gun." Sometimes I'll have something bigger, but it's small enough that I can carry it everywhere, everyday. It's just a TAD smaller than the DB9, which is also comfortable to carry, but the DB9 just barely passes a threshold where it's noticeable and the DB380 is not in my back pocket, which is where I carry it. The DB9 disappears in my front pocket, but I don't like "everyday front pocket carry."

Anyway, I don't feel bad at all carrying a DB380/.32NAA with 5 rounds of Hornady Critical Defense .32NAA rounds and two round-ball Cor-Bons. I have an extra magazine stacked the same way, with two Cor-Bon FMJ's on top. Both rounds Chrony at about 980 fps. (The Hornady is 80 grain and the Cor-Bon is 71 grain.)

I'm happy with mine. I guess some others are not. I guess I got 3 of the good ones. I'm not complaining.

grayelky · October-22-13 20:10

I have heard the Glock .380 is the same size as the 26/27/33, which is why they do not bring it here. I have also heard it is too small to pass '68 Gun Control standards, which is why they do not import it. Who knows the truth? Not me.

I do know now that they are actually making their guns in Smyrna, GA. They are in fact working on a polymer .380 along the size of the LCP. Since it will be made here in the states, there will be no import restriction issues. I will see if there is an anticipated release date yet.

G50AE · October-22-13 21:10

Quote from: grayelky on October-22-13 20:10
I have heard the Glock .380 is the same size as the 26/27/33, which is why they do not bring it here. I have also heard it is too small to pass '68 Gun Control standards, which is why they do not import it. Who knows the truth? Not me.

That is correct, the Glock G25 and G28 are .380 versions of the G19/23/32 and G26/27/33 respectively. They are the same size and holsters for one will fit the others. Basically for Glock to import a .380 pistol it would need to be a .380 version of the G17L/24, not very practical.

QuoteI do know now that they are actually making their guns in Smyrna, GA. They are in fact working on a polymer .380 along the size of the LCP. Since it will be made here in the states, there will be no import restriction issues. I will see if there is an anticipated release date yet.

Quote from: William Shakespeare's "The Taming of the Shrew"That is indeed good news.

MR_22 · October-23-13 14:10

Quote from: grayelky on October-22-13 20:10
I have also heard it is too small to pass '68 Gun Control standards, which is why they do not import it. Who knows the truth? Not me.

Wait, it's too small for the '68 "scary tiny gun law"? So the 26/27/33/36 are NOT made in Austria? That's what they clearly say on the grip. They aren't really made in Georgia, are they?

Man, who buy to buy an exotic Austrian gun made in Georgia???

TeeJay37 · October-23-13 14:10

I recently saw the ATFs point system. The 380 gets something like 10 or 15 less points vs the 9mm and up. To regain those lost points without adding safeties, they'd have to put a super long barrel.

And, I'm glad your DBs have worked out for you. Pretty much everyone (other than GlockTalk members) said they are great.

TwoGunJayne · October-23-13 14:10

I'd take a ported buntline longslide highcap Glock 19-sized .380 with a 3 pound short-reset trigger, sure would. Where do I sign up? For added credit, wouldn't the G18 33-round 9mm mags work with .380? Worst case, it'd take a shim on the back of the inside of the mag and shave the follower.

I'd take two with reflex scopes, one dot green and one dot red.

QuoteAny of the other rounds can be hollow points. It just has a hard time stripping off hollow points from a full magazine.

Tried polishing your feed ramp? It might fix it. Some people also swear by dripping a "metal bonding lube" (like militec) on certain parts and then heating them to set the lube.

MR_22 · October-23-13 15:10

Quote from: TwoGunJayne on October-23-13 14:10
Tried polishing your feed ramp? It might fix it. Some people also swear by dripping a "metal bonding lube" (like militec) on certain parts and then heating them to set the lube.

Not yet, but it's on my schedule. I also have a Kel-Tec P11 that I plan to give the same treatment (which I bought as a birthday present for myself back in 2002, but never took out shooting until last week!).

Pfletch83 · October-25-13 10:10

If Glock were to begin domestic production of the G-28 and 25 it would be a good thing, Plus standard capacity for the .380 would be bumped up.

Neither models would cut into the Pocket Pistol market but using the same cartridge and magazines is another plus.

And that would mean more models that could be converted to .32NAA

TwoGunJayne · October-25-13 10:10

.32 naa highcap? Yes please.

grayelky · October-25-13 16:10

In reading my comment about the Glock 380, it could have been interpreted in 2 different ways. I meant for it to say I have heard 2 different reasons why Glock does not sell a 380:
A) They are the same size as the 9mm/357/40, so no advantage in importing a smaller caliber
AND
B) The 380 guns they make are too small to meet the GCA of '68.

I can see how it could have been a little confusing. Now, Glock is making their guns in Smyrna, and still importing the parts and assembling them here. Yes, it is done both ways, as demand is still very high.

I checked, and my source does not have an introduction date for the new, made in the USA .380, but stated it would be a surprise if it were before Christmas, and could be Feb, maybe later. It is unknown at present what the target date might be. I have also heard of US military contracts in the works, but have no idea of the reliability of that. I suspect they are trying to get the contract, but do not have facts.

Part of me thinks the 26/27/33 sized guns would not sell, but Ruger has taken their LC9 and made an LC380. THEY seem to think there is a market for a larger 380 that will appeal to the general gun buying populace. Maybe a 26 sized 380 would sell.

I · October-28-13 16:10

EPA banned tennifer. Slides are coated in Europa. 922r applies.

That said, I'm just itching for a high cap .380/.32naa convertible not made by Taurus.

Too much to ask? G27 size would be perfect!!!