Refinish .22 Mag

[coinchop]

I am impressed but not surprised. I have been treated very well by NAA on a couple of occassions. They are good people

   WELCOME to the forum. Its neat to hear from another country.

[red14]

Journeyman,  

   what a fabulous testimony, to a wonderful gun maker.  

   

   Thanks for posting, and welcome to the forum.  

   

   Please, stop by often, and share your experiences and thoughts.  As Coinchop says, it is always nice to hear from across the pond.

[journeyman]

Just had to say my two cents to thank NAA-staff for their customer care and great service. Where people work there will be hitches or mistakes from time to time. Even with top-of-the-line products like Rolex or Mercedes. How an arising  problem is handled, that separates the bad from the good.

   BTW - believe it or not - on 25 meters distance without any time limit I usually got better results with my old Black Widow than with my issued duty gun SIG228. Of course this is only an academical result and has nothing to to with real world self defense situations. But it shows that even in tiny NAA-guns, accuracy can be very good if the shooter does his part. I like that oversized black rubber grip of the B/W very much, helps greatly in handling and control.

   

   One of my all-time favorite revolvers since about 20yrs is the S&W940 2" 9mm Luger (production now discontinued), carried with a simple boot grip from Uncle Mike's. Perfect size/power/accuracy combination and not to beat in simplicity. But since this is an NAA-dedicated Forum, I think I stop better now before I get some flak.

   

   Kind regards

[coinchop]

Journeyman:

   No flak here. Not when its about guns.

   Its a NAA forum but it is pretty much about what we have, what we like and what we shoot and pretty much anything else of intrest that happens to be going by in this world.

   I shoot a Black Widow and have found that if I do my part its accuracy is good at a greater distance than it was probably designed for.

   

   I and probably others on this forum would be interested in the rules and laws in your country that have to do with gun ownership and shooting.

   Its of intrest to us to know how we compare to the rest of the world.

   Take Care.

[red14]

""I and probably others on this forum would be interested in the rules and laws in your country that have to do with gun ownership and shooting.  

   Its of intrest to us to know how we compare to the rest of the world. Take Care.""

   

   I will second this.  Comparing with others is normal and informative.  Especially with law enforcement.  We have a friendly forum.  Share your experiences.

[journeyman]

Difficult to explain about weapon laws in Switzerland, folks. English is not my mother tongue... Until about the year 1999 Switzerland had one of the most liberal weapon laws - depending in what canton (state) you were living. If you wanted to buy a pistol or revolver, you simply had to fill out an application form, enclose a clean criminal record, and send it to the Authorities. They approved usually within a week, you've got a copy of the form back, with the proper stamp on it - and then you could buy your desired gun. Some states did allow carrying right away without any additional hassle, in some states you had to apply for a weapon carrying license. Ammunition was free-for-all, any design and caliber you could get your hands on, no problem. Long guns, Rifles, shotguns, assault rifles plus the ammunition you could get without any license, providing you were a Swiss citizen. After leaving the army, every soldier was allowed to keep his personal assault rifle or pistol, as long as he took part in the yearly federal shooting competitions. Absolutely forbidden to buy any firearm only for citizen from some always troubled nations east and south of Switzerland.  

   

   This was paradise for the shooting community.

   

   Nowadays, our politicians are closing in on the European Community (this self-serving morons  don't respect the will of the voters anymore and pull every trick to get compatible with EU), and start to adapt more and more laws of EU, also the firearms law. I think in a few Years it will be quite impossible for the normal citizen to legally buy a firearm. Hollow-points are already banned since 2000 (a certain kind of people found suddenly out in their great wisdom and with the support of a certain kind of lawyers, that hollow points equal dum-dum bullets, and dum dum bullets or "explosive bullets" are not allowed by Geneva convention). Don't expect me to comment on that bullshit. But it seems that with every additional and unnecessary law imposed, common sense and reasonability goes more quickly down.

   

   As for the Police: Until some years ago, Police was not allowed to use hollow-points. The only authorized bullet was 9mm Luger FMJ. Some smaller police departments allowed SIG230 in .380 ACP or 9mm Police (discontinued). Of course the SWAT teams and other spezialized units, who in turn had to bodyguard politicians, had hollow-points... Now - against extreme resistance of certain left groups and their lawyers, more and more state Polices start to use expanding bullets like Action 3. At least this is one good news. But it took some 20 yrs. of haggling around to get those decent "manstoppers" in the arms of the cop on the beat.

   

   As for myself - I am a cop since 20+ yrs. - I have been there and done that, but I've seldom  had any problems with the normal, law-abiding, taxpaying, firearm-carrying citizen. Tactical awareness and precautions you have to exercise  anyway everytime you check on people. If someone is carrying or not, it makes absolutely no difference - the approach should be always as if someone would carry.

   

   Stay safe folks, my concentration to write in a foreign language is degrading by the minute :-))

[coinchop]

Journeyman:

   You are doing a great job writing what to you is a foreign language. Thank you for comming back with the imformation on what is going on in your country in the world of guns.

   It seems like the goal of anti-gun people to remove guns from honest people has become a world wide goal. Here in the U.S. we have the Second Amendment which is part of our BILL Of  RIGHTS which was implanted when our country was new. It was put there to protect us from our government taking away our guns. Even so its still a full time battle trying to keep our gun rights. With 50 states in the UNITED STATES there is a patchwork of gun laws to deal with.

   The anti-gun people just can't understand who will suffer if honest people are denied the right to own and carry guns.

   I went out in the country this morning by a creek thats drying up this time of year and shot about 400 shells just plinking. I would hate to loose that right. This afternoon I am looking forward to taking a dual purpose motorcycle down some old country dirt or gravel roads and taking my Black Widow along with the 22cal. cylinder and wasteing some ammo. I road 85 miles of back roads a couple of days ago but I was having so much fun riding that I never stopped to shoot.

   I will try to do better today. Take care.

   GONE

[journeyman]

Coinchop, I'll tell you my honest opinion: The world we live in is not at all ready for "globalization". All that nations, races, religions, laws, mentalities, life styles and so on are not at all compatible with each other. Every nation on this planet has grown up under different circumstances, has its "good" things/people and "bad" things/people and usually can deal with it accordingly. As an example - if the simple bushman in Africa is perfect happy with his lifestyle and his clan, let him be, accept his different behaviour, be his friend and perhaps even learn something from him. He's grown up with simple life, it's his evolution, why change a thing? Is he more happy if he get introduced to, say, democracy, "proper" clothing and global warming issues? Is that something to eat?

   After all that globalization hype and "make everyone equal" - shit is finally over, it will boil down to take care of your family first, then your friends, your city, your region, your nation. Regardless of what UN or other International Organisations say or want.

   

   Over.

[coinchop]

Journeyman:

   You said it perfect. Its good to know that there are people from other countries who feel the same as the people that live in the U.S. and value their freedoms do.

   If the International Organisations ever get control, the people in the whole world will be subjects, not citizens.

   Take care

[red14]

""take care of your family first, then your friends, your city, your region, your nation""

   

   Sounds like a plan.

   

   Coinchop,

   He sure makes a lot of sense.  Those words could have come from a Redneck in North Florida.

   

   Journeyman,  

   hang around, we can use someone like you.  Your English is better than the guy at the China Mart last night.

[chopprs]

Just a note here. Please do not ever again switch the cylinder with another gun. This practice though it may work fine sometimes is extremely dangerous. If a cylinder is not timed correctly with the gun when you fire it the bullet may hit the side of the forcing cone causing the bullet to fragment inside the gun. There is a possibility that the gun could explode in your hand. There is also a possibility that the fragmented bullet could blow backwards towards you, your face or outwards and cause injury to your hand. The next time that you have a problem with any product that is from NAA the first thing to do is call them or email them and they will make it right, immediately. They are well known for this.......oh, and lose your gun dealer. He is an idiot!

[journeyman]

Hello Chopprs

   Of course you're absolutely right!! Change of cylinders can be dangerous. But it was really our last (successful...) try in our impressive "chain of evidence" to convince the local dealer, that the problem is not at all ammo-related. It would have been the *** job of the dealer to report our problem to NAA and/or the general importer. Since he was not able to do that (or since he was to lazy), we took things in our own hands and wrote directly to NAA. Result: A immediate and absolutely professional reaction from NAA-staff. Thanks again guys!

[red14]

Top flight, bar none.

[journeyman]

Hi Red14

   Perhaps I chose the wrong words regarding "take care of your family first, then your friends, your city, your region, your nation"".

   

   What I mean is that it's perfectly human to care/fight for the people you are closest to. This is because you know them, they know/trust  you, your actions are up-close-and-personal and you can make a difference. You know exactly who benefits from your efforts and perhaps your money or taxes. If you want give USD 100 to a neighbor in need, he'll get exactly that amount.

   

   Big anonymous organizations like UN are trying  to get your money (it's all about money, I believe), to support people you've never heard about, and you'll never get to know. If you give USD 100 to UN, you'll never get a "thank you" from your new UN-assigned anonymous brother or buddy Ali Baba in No-Mans-Land. And if he would have any opportunity to contact you, he would thank you for USD 30 - the rest has vanished for expenses and salaries of UN bureaucrats and functionaires.

   

   See what I mean? But let's stop talking politics (we're not in position to change that mess anyway) and let's move over again to much more interesting themes like FIREARMS...;-)

   

   Take care

[guadman]

Journeyman.

   

   I echo what everyone else here seems to have said:

   

   First: Welcome to the Forum

   Second: Please share as much as you like about any issue regarding firearms, law enforcement, self-defense, etc. It is fascinating to all of us here (I Believe I am ok saying "all of us" in this situation) to read stories about your life in Switzerland.

   Third: Umm. Have you read many forums originating from here in the States? lol. You write better English then 3/4 of the people that post in them.

   

   Thanks for being here!

   

   ---Harry

[coinchop]

Got up this morning, ate breakfast,stuffed a mini in my boot, got on a motorcycle and a couple of hours later I was in a hay field north of Souix Falls South Dakota. Some thing called Spirt Of The West. If not for the golf carts and ATV four wheelers I would have had a new life in about 1880. There were a lot of horses, cowboys, cowgirls, cookwagons, food, guns, long and short, and a bunch of venders. They had about anything there for sale that you would have needed in 1880. I knew this thing was for real cause I bought a bottle of pop and it was luke warm. I watched ropers, riders, gun slingers, and quick draw contests. And oh did I mention the clouds of dirt I had to ride through to get in and out of there? That was real 1880 dirt. I bough a handfull of knife sheaths from a saddle maker to use for some hunting knives I put together a couple of years ago. I bought 5 and 4 fit knives.

   I also bought a leather braided hatband made in the Oregen bighouse. I don't have a hat yet but maybe next year. Along with everything  else that was there they had three old movie stars there. Robert Fuller, Peter Brown, and James Drury. Yea they got old just like everybody else. There was a band or two there also.  

   As I was walking around I saw a guy that looked like Lash, world famous member of the NAA forum. Looked like the picture he posted of himself a while back on this forum. The thing that chinched the whole thing was the big belt pouch he was wearing that could have been full of minis. Was that you LASH?

   Any how I had a good time and will probably go back nekt year. Maybe next year I will skip the dirty, dusty, road with all the traffic to get in there and ride through the cornfield next to it. 8 ft. tall corn couldn't be any worse.

   GOOD PEOPLE, GOOD TIME, GOOD NIGHT.

[journeyman]

Sounds like it have been a great party, Coinchop! Bet you had lots of fun and came home happy. Kind of "back to the roots" without all the unnecessary stuff and complications of "modern age". Bet also quite every guest could behave well and the local sheriff didn't have to put the SWAT Team on standby...

   

   As for my part, I've got really bored of neon-lighted clubs in the city, where you pay SFR/USD 25 admission, get frisked and x-rayed at the entrance by black-clad minders who don't even have the passport of your own country, and inside the DJ is playing some "cool" music which sounds like something out of the space bar in Star Wars. Also some people wearing the latest fashion remind me of exactly that scene. On the loo you'll find someone who offers you the latest cry in synthetic drugs and when you leave you'll have to walk quickly to your car before the circling vultures decide (wrongly, in my case:-))) that you are the weakest link in the food chain and try to get a hit on you.

   

   Have been at a great party out in the green last year, organized by some biker clubs. Best party I have been in the last few years. Great music/bands from countryrock to ZZ Top, sexy ladies in good mood, lots of food-stalls from different nations, many shops. Even opportunity to sleep there in some tents. No need to give up your folder or bowie at the entrance. Bet there have been more guns around than at a cop reunion. And do you know what? Not much lowlife there - the usual troublemakers and hangarounds from the city know exactly what will happen to them if they show up and start to mess around with people who want to have a good party. No once a problem in the whole three days. And even children could play everywhere on the grounds without danger to walk into a syringe or so.

   

   Take care.

[coinchop]

I got up this morning with leftover happy from yesterday, had breakfast[thanks wife] read the best parts of one newspaper[funnies] grabbed a 22 cal. Henry lever rifle and a bag full of handguns and ammo, bought a tank full of gas for my old truck and headed for the country. Ended up about 6 miles from town [POP.12000] and plinked for a couple of hours. I blew up enough cow patties to fertilize a small corn field. Also removed a few small rocks from the roadway and wounded a few pop cans. Its realy nice to live in a place that has the room and allowes people to go out and shoot, I can't imagine life on this planet living with so many people around me that I would have to beg someone for a place to shoot or pay to shoot at a crowded indoor range. There is a trade off to this though. Cold and long winters. In the winter I go out in the country and can usually find dirt clods or cow piles poking out of the snow. When I blast the cow patties apart it makes a lot of small hungry birds happy. Sometimes  I drive around like I am hunting just looking for my next target.  

   Happiness in the winter is a warm truck, guns, ammo, and a place to go shoot.

   Life is good!

   Gone.

[Uncle_Lee]

Coinchop, You just jogged old memories. Shooting wet cowpies . Splatters and makes small volcanoes every time you shoot one.  

   Last winter the wife and I faced the fact that we could no longer take care of our place so we sold every thing and moved to town. We sold every thing but 10 acres so we would have a place to go shoot when we wanted to or maybe get a deer if I wanted too. I just couldn't give up  all my freedom.

[coinchop]

Uncle Lee:

   I think you did good by keeping that 10 acres. It must be hard to walk away from a lifetime.

   Now put a few cows on that little peice of farm,

   let them produce some of thoes targets and go  

   out there and blast away.

   Sometimes when I go out to the country and shoot

    I end up just being happy that I am out there

   where its so peaceful and the world is going by nice and slow.  

   When it comes to plinking, cowpies are the real deal. I have shot over 40,000 shells since Christmass mostly through handguns and cowpies have suffered the most.

   One nice thing about it is I never run out of targets. Life is good.

[coinchop]

On the road again!!

   Got up this morning, ate breakfast, grabbed a Ruger Bearcat I have and like, Pug on my belt and a bag full of shells. Put on vest to cover Pug. Got in good truck and headed 60 miles down the road to a gun show. Life is good. Mind is running wild. Get in gun show and hope I have enough money for everything I will need. First trip through I discover I have almost everything already that I might want. Did find and buy an old antique car clock from about 1910. Also saw a 22 short NAA. Have 2 so passed. I have one that is engraved and one MAA installed new cylinder with notches. Second trip around found some things I liked but not enough to spend my money. Stopped and fingered the mimi 22short. Third trip around, nothing there I want. Stopped and picked up 22 mini again. Price tag said price firm. Asked for cask deal. None! Still already have 22 SHORT MINIS What am I doing? Forth trip around. That one was just for exercise. Back to the little mini. Pay cash for gun if he pays the tax. He says NO. Who cares cause I already have two, so there!

   I did trade a guy a cut out coin key fob that I made for a lighter, knife combo. On the knife it has a button on the front and if you push up on the button the blade pops out. Push the button down anf blade snaps back in. Lighter has hell of a flame. It is a cheapie but kind of neat.

   Anyway I left the gunshow, shopped a little, ate some Wal-Mart chicken and headed for home. Left the highway about halfway home and drove on gravel roads and stopped a few times and plinked till it got dark. A good time was had by all.

   You know, I still have those 2 minis in 22 short but I just might have to go back tomorrow and take another look.

[red14]

What is it that attracted you?

[coinchop]

RED>

   I am a spoiled gun nut without a lot of will power and an easy wife.  

   That poor little mini just looked so sad laying there with all those big ugly guns all around it and I felt it needed help.

   I would add, you don't see a mini in short very often and it feels good to own them. Also I am wired funny.

   Back in the day I carried that 22 short for several years before it broke and I sent it in and got a new cylinder. When I carried it I could keep 10 shots in an 8 in. circle shooting with 2 hands at a little over 16 yards.

   As far as wanting things I have a sick mind and there is no cure. I think buying things I like is like a fix.

   

   Maybe I just have it to good.

[red14]

If you want it, and can afford it, go for it.  Sometimes it just feels good to give yourself a present.

[coinchop]

Red>  

   When you go to a indoor range to shoot what do they charge? Also when your wife and son go with you can you all rent one target spot, or does everybody have to paye? I went out in the country today and shot 300 shells. Just trying to figure out how much money I save in range fees each time I do that. If I add up range fees, not smoking, no drinking [ABOUT A BEER A YEAR] and no other spendy habits seems like I should be able to buy a new gun  about every two months with all that money I am saveing. I wonder why thats not working. Must be doing something wrong.

   Maybe I will have to work on that.

   When I quite smoking in 1990 I told my wife I wanted that money I was saving every month to buy replacement fun for not smoking. I had visions of rooms fill of guns. Worked the first month and that was IT. Sometimes life just ain't fair.

   NAW, really life is great.

[red14]

Last year it was 100 for a family (wife and me) for the year.  That is as many days as you can go.  It is closed on 3 days, maybe.  16 a day if not a member.  100 for an individual member.  It goes up to 116 this year.

   

   They have 6-8 different areas, some longer, some shorter. for cemter fire rifles, shot guns, rimfire fifles and hand guns.  First come first serve.

   

   There are 3-4 firing lines for 'everyday shooters' (10-12 spots in each, and private areas for members.

   

   There are indoor ranges but I don't use them so I don't know their prices.

[Moderndayedison]

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   I like those primitive reinactment festivals

   where they build tee-pees and tents, dress in

   period leather and deer skin clothes, shoot

   black powder muskets, make their own brooms

   and trinkets, cook up chillie and bison burgers,

   Kettle corn, homemade rope and twine, and all

   that black smith stuff over a coal fired forge.

   

   And don't even get me started on steam engines.

   

   I would rather attend these types of anual

   festivals than any commercial theme park.

   

   I'm a sucker for large flea Markets too.

   

   

   .

[Moderndayedison]

.

   

   Oh, and I like to brouse Army Surplus shops

   as well. It's something I got hooked on when

   I drove over the road as a truck driver.

   

   New Hampshire has more Army Suplus shops than

   any place I know, other than Nebraska, or  

   Fort Knox Kentucky.

   

   Fort Knox, KY. is the ultimate Military

   Surplus nut's meca in the United states.

   

   In Nebraska you can buy your own Helicopters,

   Hummers, Tanks, and Personnel Carriers.

   

   I was surprised to see that you could actually

   buy such equipment if you can afford it.

   

   A Vietnam era Huey goes for 3 to 5 million.

   A used Hum-V goes for between 15 - 30 grand.

   A sherman tank costs around 35 - 40 grand.

   An M-1 Tank costs around 8.5 million.

   And an Armored Personnel Carrier goes

   for between 2-5 million depending on  

   how many holes it has in it.

   

   Those were the prices before the mess in Iraq

   and Afganistan, they may have gone up a bit.

   

   The place I visited in Nebraska looked like

   an old military bone yard, but they were selling

   to the public, most of the heavy equipment was

   being bought by VFW's, construction companies,

   and Museums for display pieces.

   

   oh and I almost forgot to mention, they had

   guns too.....lots of them.

   

   The most exotic piece I saw while I was there

   was an M-60 like the one Sylvester Stalone used

   in the film "Rambo First Blood".

   

   They had allot of other types of heat too but

   I believe it required a FFL to purchase any of

   it except the surplus 1911 45 caliber pistols.

   

   Everything else they had there was over-kill.

   And way too expensive for your average working

   man to afford.

   

   But it was good drueling material for an amature

   utilitarian such as myself.

   

   

   .

   

   

   .

[tranquilo]

Today I got an e-mail from John McCain's 2010 Senate re-election campaign requesting a contribution.  I voted for him last November and worked the phones trying to get the vote out for him even though he wasn't even my third choice among the Republican candidates.  Several times in the course of the campaign I urged him to make Obama's long record and history of close, shady associations a major campaign issue, to no avail.  Today I e-mailed his office that, even though he had shown considerable praiseworthy courage during his military service,IMO, he had failed his country at a time when he could have helped her the most.  Friends, we need to know  the people we are voting for and be sure they understand the Constitution and that they are willing to fight on the political battlefield to uphold it!!!

[svguy]

Hi All,

   I have been carrying concealed since the first year Florida began issuing the license. Always had a Glock or 1911 or the S&W airweight being the smallest. I bought this 1 1/8 .22 magnum w/LR cyl. I must admit that this little pistol IS ADDICTIVE. I realized I will carry my Glock MOST of the time, but I ALWAYS have this darn revolver.  

    Now I'm talking to my local dealer about buying another. Please tell me that this is a temporary phase and I don't really need two or three or Ohh noo, there I go again.

   

   Love the forum, and now I see the light, and yes these little pistols are addictive.

[coinchop]

Svguy:

   It is only a temporary phase. It will only last as long as you live.

   Welcome to the forum.

[red14]

Welcome to the forum, fellow cracker.  You'll like it here.  With fine people like Coinchop, just ask, he probably knows the answer.

[zippovarga]

I started with a Charter Arms Dixie Derringer...a generic copy of the NAA Minis...it wasn't a month before I went back and purchased my 1 5/8" 22WMR Conversion with the 22LR cylinder....then the Pug, Black Widow, 22LR, Earl (Low serial number, so I didn't want to shoot it...what to do?) Bought ANOTHER Earl to Shoot......went to the dealer to inquire about my order for a 22Short...nothin doin there, but he got in a Mini-Master, so......Got that. Yeah.....they're addictive!!!!!! And so far as I know, there is NO 12 step program to save me!!!!!

   

   Welcome to the club Svguy!!!

[chopprs]

Hi and welcome!

   I had my CCW in Florida back in the early 80s. I carried a stainless Colt Officers model until I noticed I was walking funny. It was like carrying a cinder block on your hip. At that time there was only five police officers on duty at any given time. We were pretty much on our own!

     A lot of times, like when I was at the beach, I went without. I did have a Baby Browning in .25ACP but those are almost useless so didn't carry it much. These little guns are a wonderful thing. I ALWAYS have one with me. Many times I forget that I even have it.

[lashlarue]

I now have two, but there are so many places on my body where they can be concealed, I foresee a few more.I sometimes look in the mirror and I see the "Taxi Driver".You talking to me