Bond Arms

[dk]

I finally got to get a Bond Arms in my hands yesterday .The derringer had a good feel to it.The grips were a little wide for my hands but that's an easy fix.I was very impressed with it .I can see one in the future for me.I know there are a lot of people who say that two shots is pretty risky but 5 triple 0 buckshot out of a 3inch 410 shell is pretty deadly for a shoot and scoot gun.I don't think any bad guy would want to scoot after you after taking a hit from this little monster.These things are built tough and are not as heavy as they appear .With the right type holster I think they would make a great conceal carry weapon.

[redhawk4]

There is definitely something very appealing about the Bonds, I find myself admiring them quite often in the case at the gun store, although. I've always felt that the desire to own one comes more from the heart than the head, given other alternatives.

I'm not really a fan of the 410 as a defense cartridge in a handgun, I think they are marginal on penetration, but my main concern is the shot pattern, even at 7 yards or less it seems not all pellets hit their mark and I would be concerned where the others a going to end up and who they might hit.

I read this recently, does the Bond have a rifled barrel for 45 colt too?, I understood the rifled barrel causes the shot pattern to become chaotic. It was an interesting article, it may give you some pointers.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot53.htm

[seeker]

After finally getting mine I wanted the 45/410 barrel and may still get one down the road, but for now I have the 357/38 barrel that it came with and a 45acp barrel on the way, I,ll carry the 45acp once it arrives, seems the 410 has a lot against it low penetration, wide spread shoot patterns,.....
Kinda wish I got the texas defender instead of the cowboy defender, simply because of the trigger guard, 
Seems having it might help tame the recoil of the hot ammo I use, Almost ordered the 10mm barrel but decided it might be wise to stick with the calibers I knew I could handle in a derringer, but eventually I get the 10mm and give it a try

[doc_stadig]

I've got a Bond Snake Slayer and really like it. One thing I've never quite understood, when people think of the Taurus Judge, the Leinad pistol and the Bond derringer, they almost always use .410 shotshells to make the comparison, and how minimal the penetration is. .410 is very capable as a snake slayer, but each of these weapons and their equivalents are also capable of firing .45 Long Colt cartridges, a cartridge that has proven itself lethal from the early days of cartridge weapons. Why would you limit yourself to a shotshell that is marginal, even in a long barreled weapon, if your object is protection from snakes, then use a snake round, I've yet to see a 4 water jug snake, if you are looking for a self-defense from a human, use a round that will bring that offender to their demise, no one will deny that you shouldn't bring a knife to a gun fight, don't bring an anemic shell to a more powerful gun fight.


Doc

[dk]

Well said Doc ! Never thought of it that way.

[redhawk4]

The only possible reason I can see for using a 410 round is where you are concerned about over penetration, but then the kicker is that if you have sufficient velocity with buckshot, to get penetration in an attacker, then it will shoot through quite  a bit of sheet rock.  Again box of truth has some interesting articles on this topic which I read the other day when I was revisiting the ammo to use in a 12 gauge for HD - I've always had 00 Buck but was wondering with some of the new SD 12 gauge ammo out there if there was any change in thinking.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

For normal SD duty I think a good pistol caliber will serve you better in a Bond and also if I was going to carry a handgun as big as a Taurus Judge or the S&W equivalent then I'd feel better served by my 1911 or one of my 4" barreled 44 mags. My main reason for this is the accuracy of the weapon, while a lot of SD stuff takes place at close range, I still like the idea of being able to make an accurate well placed shot for certain scenarios and even with 45 colt these guns are not very accurate because they are compromising the rifling to try and get a balance with what works better for the 410 shotgun pellets that rifling plays havoc with.

[MR_22]

I knew I was missing something at the SHOT Show....

[MR_22]

What do you guys think about the Bond Arms Backup in .45ACP? (It also accepts any Bond Arms barrel.)

http://bondarms.com/bond-arms-handguns/backup/

[OV-1D]

  Say it isn't so Darvell buying a polymer gun . Hope it was real cheap because it looks like it and not even any wood grips which I though made the Bond guns to begin with .. Oh well all I can further say is I hope I didn't help in that purchase .

[UncleS2]

I saw some Bond "derringers" in the store when I picket up my Black Widow. I say "derringers" because they're *Huge*, & look heavy too. The one I handled could take 3" .410 shells, & it sure wasn't a pocket gun by any stretch of the imagination! 

[Jim1392]

I had looked at the Bond Derringer awhile back. But after picking it up I also found it heavy. It is very well made but after thinking about it I would have many choices of guns if I wanted to carry something that heavy. Also thinking about how many times there are more then just one adversary just 2 rounds wouldn't give me much of a fighting chance.

[UncleS2]

That's largely what I thought. No question that they seem well made, & if you like the Bond derringers, I say enjoy & have fun! But for something practical to carry? For about an ounce less weight, in almost the same size, there are 13 shots of hot 9 mm hollowpoints in my Kel-Tec P11.

[coopercdrkey]

Back to the issue of 410 as a defensive round.  The shot pattern and penetration characteristics of a 'regular' 410 round leave much to be concerned about.  It is an issue discussed and disected frequently by we Taurus Judge owners.  The consensus is, "Use a 410 round specifically designed for self defense purposes."

The one I favor is the Hornady Critical Defense 410.  It leads with a slug that will expand to encounter whatever rifling there may be, somewhat shallow in the Judge, but enough to impart better POI accuracy for both the 410 slug and the .45 Colt round.  Following the slug are three round shots.  They diverge from the slug slightly, but within a 'coffee cup' at SD ranges.

This may be a round you would care to consider for your Bond 410/.45.

[Kentucky Kevin]

I carried an A.D.C. derringer in 45,410 for years, wife and boys made me decide I needed something with more accuracy, the Berretta 21A in 22lr, which is a very accurate paperweight, since it will occasionally have a failure to feed.
Enter the two NAA revolvers, presently carried, pants on guns on, in addition to the ankle Glock 26, when I'm packing.

[bigfeo]

I purchased a Bond Arms Backup just last week, after drooling over a Snake Slayer for quite some time.  The gun looks great IMO, and feels well made, fit and finish is nice it is a well made gun.  I dont believe ill use it as a backup or a defense gun however.  My thumb will not grip the hammer without me moving the gun around considerably due to it being large.  It is a pretty big and heavy gun for being a 2 shot derringer.  I havent taken it to the range but will probably do so tomorrow or next week, but I didnt really buy it as a defense either I wanted to try it out before I spent $500 on a Snake Slayer if I did decide to spend the money.  Plus they are cool looking and well made so really I just wanted one for the collection either way.  The barrels are not that cheap either, making the overall cost of one go way up if additional barrels are purchased, and it is still a 2 round derringer.  No regrets on the purchase, but as a main gun or backup I beleive others would serve the purpose better. 

[bigfeo]

BTW the Backup is powder-coated not polymer, which I thought from the looks of it made it look like a toy, but looks cool in your hand. 

[OV-1D]

  Very nice collection .

[RogueTS1]

I like it and being powder coated metal instead of composite makes it even better.

[MR_22]

  Say it isn't so Darvell buying a polymer gun . Hope it was real cheap because it looks like it and not even any wood grips which I though made the Bond guns to begin with .. Oh well all I can further say is I hope I didn't help in that purchase .

What do you mean? The Bond Arms Backup isn't polymer. It's a "crinkled flat black" over steel with rubber grips. I don't think it's lighter than the other Bond Arms derringers, just a different less-shiny finish.

But even so, I don't have any aversion to polymer guns. I've carried them plenty, including a Glock. My most recent carry pieces have been titanium and magnesium, tho. But polymer is great for carry. This Bond Arms ain't one.

[OV-1D]

  Thats good it was from the look of it and the grips blending in . Thanks for clearing that up . 

[MR_22]

  Thats good it was from the look of it and the grips blending in . Thanks for clearing that up . 

Yup, by looking at the photo, I probably would have thought the same thing, but I saw the video of it from the SHOT Show first, so I guess I didn't even think of it looking like polymer.

I don't think I've ever seen a polymer derringer. That could be interesting.

[sopsax]

Some of us are not offended by polymer pistols, others are - the world is filled with choices and polymer pistols are just one of them. I own a few polymer pistols as well as stainless and blue-steel pistols. They all go BANG (and continue to do so for as many shots as I've fired through them). I've had more failures with steel guns than I have polymer, not that my experiences with either are definitive.

I once had an associate who had served for years as a firearms' trainer at the federal law enforcement academy - a Border Patrol agent. He was involved in torture-testing Glocks when they first came out. He swore by them - he was credible and his reports were compelling.

I have not handled the Bond derringer, but from what others have reported here, I probably would not like the weight, the size, and the two-shot nature of it. I have several pistols that are smaller, lighter, have more rounds in them, and shoot reliably. The ones I carry these days certainly seem to me to be more efficient than this Bond gun. However - to each his own. sopsax

[MR_22]

Some of us are not offended by polymer pistols, others are - the world is filled with choices and polymer pistols are just one of them.

I have plenty of both. Each have their strengths and their specific uses. You wouldn't buy a fancy Cadillac to drive through mud holes and rock canyons, but neither would you buy a four-wheel pickup truck to drive to a tuxedo event in New York City (well, not if you're normal).

I love my steel, magnesium, titanium, and polymer firearms for what they are.

[bud]

Sopsax, Again , thanks for your knowledge and opinion on striker fire pistols. I've heard both sides of the pros and cons about these pistols, but find your knowledge on them helpful and interesting.

[sopsax]

Thanks Bud, for the compliment. I am no expert (oops, I used THAT word) but I have carried my whole adult life and have had some practical experience with different firing systems. I know what I like.

All the systems seem to work though, it is just a matter of personal preference. I think it is a bit silly to put down someone else's preference just because it isn't what one likes. sopsax

[bigfeo]

Got a 3" 45LC/.410 barrel in SS, doesnt look too bad, wonder what that 4.25" barrel would look like on it, or the extended wood grips..  Lol I shoulda just got a Snake Slayer, OR I can get one and use the long barrel on both, hmm.. 

[single 5]

Very nice!

[OV-1D]

  A very make an impression type round , both of my all time favorites , relatively cheap and plentiful .

[n9znd]

  I really Like my Bond Arms.   Carry it every day.  Jim

[redhawk4]

  I really Like my Bond Arms.   Carry it every day.  Jim

I find the look of all that stainless steel and wood very appealing and every time I see one it makes me want to buy one. However, I always manage to resist the urge, because I know it would end up a "Safe Queen" because I already have a number of other options for SD carry that are better IMO. The Bonds are pretty intimidating and I'm sure in nearly all SD situations just the appearance of those big barrels would have most people running, but why limit yourself?

The other day I shot a 12 shot group at 20 yards, off hand, where 9 of the shots were in  the bull, 11 were within a 3" group with one flyer out to 4" or so. This was with iron sights and a Ruger Redhawk 44 Mag, 4" barrel, I was seeing if I could better my efforts made with my similar S&W 29 - and I did. My point is that despite my surprise, when I brought the target back up the range and saw the consistency, that meant it wasn't all a fluke, I do not expect for one moment I could replicate this accuracy under the pressure of an attack, and while shooting quickly. I'm therefore realistic enough, to accept that missing the target, at some point, is a real possibility under such circumstances, even at much closer range, and therefore I would prefer to have more than 2 shots on hand and quick follow up shots.

To clarify,  I don't carry my 44 Mags for normal SD use, they are my "out in the wilds" guns for bear, cougar etc. and any 2 legged predators, but the same principle applies to all my SD carry guns, I cannot expect the same consistent accuracy I can get from controlled shots fired in my own time frame, in a hurried SD scenario. Even at the range, when simulating drawing and firing quickly, just hitting the target can become an achievement when you have to balance getting the shot off, with the delay of taking more careful aim.  So 2 shots or more, is a personal choice, I like more because there may be multiple attackers and because my shooting may not be like the hero's in an action movie

Despite that, I still love the look of those Bonds , although I struggle with the black finish, perhaps with wood grips it wold look better.

[OV-1D]

  Some very honest thoughts , thanks .

[MR_22]

Here's some screamin' deals on some Bond Arms derringers.

Bond Arms Mini Derringer 45lc 3in 2rds, Bam45 for $250
Bond Arms Cowboy Defender 2rd 45acp 3in, Bacd45acp for $264
Bond Arms Cowboy Defender 2rds 44spl 3in Bacd44spl for $264

I'm really tempted to get the .45ACP one. I've been wanting a Bond Arms derringer for sometime now.

http://www.woodburyoutfitters.com/all-products/browse/keyword/bond-arms

[Uncle_Lee]

Tempting, VERY tempting...

[OV-1D]

 Its a fine looking piece but I hate shooting those big bores , scary holding on to and hurt somewhat firing them , smaller bores nothing bigger the 38 ........ well its a lot better shooting but still . Something you don't go for with a full day of shooting seems like an emergency only shooter to me anyhow with no need to aim . 

[bigfeo]

WOW, *** good price on those and with only $15 shipping, pretty good deal.