no powder Colibri ?

[red14]

  They are called 22lr, but seem the same length as 22 shorts.   Can you shoot them in a Shorty,   
are they safe to shoot in a shorty? 

[boone123]

Red
I don't see why not. As long as the bullet doesn't stick out the front of the cylinder. If it does, cut a little off.

[TwoGunJayne]

Exactly. The colibri and super colibri are the only Aguila ammos that my NAAs like.

You'll have to nip the tip with a razor blade to get them to chamber in your short. I do it all the time. The chamber pressures are of zero concern. They even extract easily for me. I'm way more accurate with them out of my short than regular ammo.

[Dinadan]

red14 - the tip of the Colibri bullet does stick out of short cylinder. Like TwoGunJayne says, you would have to nip the tip of the bullet. Here is a Super Colibri between two shorts.

[boone123]

That looks like a pretty big nip.

[swolf]

Not such a big nip.  Shorts are shorter than the cylinder, so nipping to fit the cylinder isn't as short as the short rounds.  I use my bench top belt sander with fine grit paper and touch the tip, twisting it slightly as I go to get a neat and even round.  I love popping paper with the shorty and the modified Colibris. I bought a brick before the big Dry Spell and used the rounds for Holiday backyard shooting with friends and neighbors.  The rounds do have a slight tendency to ricochet back off plywood, so eye protection is a good idea.  Rounds don't have much velocity so no real injury would be expected, but would certainly be about as much fun as a pebble kicked from a lawn mower to the face (or crotch, as they seem to happen.)

[red14]

Not such a big nip.  Shorts are shorter than the cylinder, so nipping to fit the cylinder isn't as short as the short rounds.  I use my bench top belt sander with fine grit paper and touch the tip, twisting it slightly as I go to get a neat and even round.  I love popping paper with the shorty and the modified Colibris. I bought a brick before the big Dry Spell and used the rounds for Holiday backyard shooting with friends and neighbors.  The rounds do have a slight tendency to ricochet back off plywood, so eye protection is a good idea.  Rounds don't have much velocity so no real injury would be expected, but would certainly be about as much fun as a pebble kicked from a lawn mower to the face (or crotch, as they seem to happen.)

I think that's part of the appeal of the little gun for me.  It just looks like it
would be fun.  Are they hard to aim, the sight is worthless on my other one
with that sight.  My 3'' Earl has the little sight and it actually does work well!

[boone123]

My first carry in the land of minis, and that was a long time ago was a 22 short. Back then by sighting along the top on the frame/barrel I could keep 10 shots  in the circle of a 50 foot NRA target at 50 ft. The whole front sight might cover the spot your shooting at.

[I]

Some of those thick plastic targets they sell will do one of three things:

1) wiggle, as the bullet passes through.
2) move more as the bullet is captured
3) not move much as it induces a return-to-sender

When a .22 bounces off of a soft plastic plate, it usually means you're not shooting high velocity ammo. My experience says .22 mag from an NAA goes through. CB caps and colibri can indeed bounce from a cheap budget mart plastic swing plate.

The main question: were you standing squarely? Shooting a substance may result in unexpected behavior.

I have tagged myself in the chest using low velocity ammo and
Those plastic swinger targets. It only hurt for a minute as I didn't take a face hit and was wearing eye protection.

Enjoy the shooting sports, but wear that protective gear. A strange combo of
Circumstances might cause a bad day. Be careful. Range versus the impact site is your friend.

Those in this forum can offer excellent advice, best think for yourself

Love and peace!

[BillOregon]

I love the Colibris. Ran a cylinder full through the Earl as soon as I got it. Accurate little buggers.

[bigfeo]

Just got a couple boxes today, and hopefully I can get a couple more tomorrow(store rules only 2 boxes per person).  Thanks for the tips on the tips of these yall, got a short on the way I have been looking for shorts but have found none cant wait to use these on it. 

[evan]

I've been using the no powder Colibri for several years.  I think one big flaw with most gun ownership is lack of practice.  With the Colibri I can sit on my back porch and practice--it sounds about like a bb gun and my neighbors don't get all exercised.  And there's this:  if you've been practicing with the low powered bullet (and have a conversion revolver), when you shoot a magnum bullet you will understand better the power of a mag 22 .

[red14]

Another advantage is you don't have to clean your weapon nearly as much.   Some of these little things can get quite messy.

[I]

Colibri rounds seem really loud out of a mini. It's really quiet out of a long gun.

[evan]

I understand that the no-powder Colibri bullet can stick in a long barrel.  I get away with it with the Rossi rifle/revolver because the barrel is sized for magnum 22s.  But I don't try them in my Henry.  Winchester makes a 700 fps bullet that I use in my normal 22 rifles--fairly quiet, but louder than the Colibri. 

[TwoGunJayne]

CCI CB caps are also around 700-ish from a long barrel.

Some guns can't penetrate a steel can with this round, you'll have to borrow some beer cans.

[OLD and GRUMPY]

The Colibri is perfect for what it is made for. Quiet revolver practice. It should be perfect for the mini. I tried some of the CCI CBs but they were still to loud for the garage.I shoot  the Colibri  off a 1/4" aluminum plate with 2 layers of old carpet hung over it.The carpet solves the bounce back problem by containing the bullet.They pancake out flat.Just put in the ear plugs ,crank up the "Zeppelin" to cover the pop and Gladys Kravitz  Will never know.

Do not fire it from a long gun you can get a squib!
I have been shooting other Aquila .22 and am very happy.Supper Extra 40gr HV. One positive review called them Mexican Mini Mags.
They also make a 60gr round i want to try.Short case long bullet looks like LR. This might be good in a short barrel. Has any one shot it?

[TwoGunJayne]

The 60 grain Aguila "Sniper Sub Sonic" SSS ".22 lr" round is indeed a .22 short casing with a superlong 60 grain bullet that has the proper overall length.

Much the same problems of the AR-15 .223 Remington/5.56 plague the 60 gr SSS load.

To increase ballistic coefficient and retained energy, the .223 bullet was made longer and longer and longer. Military chambers and ammo became incompatible with the 36-55 grain civilian varmint ammo and the tech tree began to diverge.

Same story, different platform. From a long barrel, most barrel twist rates are simply not enough to stabilize the long load and they suffer from mid-air keyholing and accuracy problems. Note that keyholing INSIDE the target is actually beneficial to effectiveness, particularly in light of the particularly long bullet. It'll widen out that permanent cavity.

From a short barrel, the 60 grain bullet has the highest "momentum" of any .22 lr loading. On the plus side, once you get it going it doesn't want to stop. On the negative side, it's "harder" to get it going, particularly in light of the reduced powder load due to the short case. As such, mathematically it won't be as "impressive" from a short barrel as the 30 something grain loads.

Summary: This round is for custom guns with a fast twist barrel and a suppressor. It's a short range night varminter's dream. I don't feel that it will be as effective from an NAA Mini as, say... a .22 magnum Gold Dot or Critical Defence load, unless you get the longer(est) barrels offered by NAA.

It'll shoot, it just won't be optimal. It's designed for something far, far different than the NAA mini revolver.

[bleak_window]

I've been pretty impressed with all the Aguila .22 ammo I've tried.  The 60gr stuff really hits hard, the Colibris are great for revolvers and the Super Colibris are excellent for quiet rifle practice.  I also had some hyper velocity stuff that was better than any of the CCI Stingers, Velocitors, or Mini Mags.

[Dinadan]

I have shot the 60gr ammo out of a couple of my Minis. It does keyhole (tumble) out of a Mini. There are a couple of things to consider about it. If you live in a cold climate where folks wear thick clothing, then the keyholing will possibly severely reduce penetration. On the other hand, if you live in a hot climate where folks wear light clothing, then at a range of maybe five to ten feet that extra 20gr in a tumbling bullet may be more effective than a 40gr bullet that makes a neat hole.

[evan]

I like the neat hole notion.

[Dinadan]

I like the neat hole notion.

Well, so do I. Just wanted to point out that there are two viewpoints. You are probably not going to get any significant expansion out of most rounds fired from a Mini, and if one of those tumbling 60gr bullets achieves sufficient penetration, it will probably cause more damage than any other .22 round.

[cfsharry]

Does anyone know the velocity of the 60 gr. from a two inch barrel?

[TwoGunJayne]

I guess I'll eventually chrony some out of my Black Widow, if no one has the info handy.

I think I may still have a box of the 60 grain somewhere... maybe. I've seen the numbers before, I just don't recall clearly what they were. 700fps-800something, I think.

[swolf]

I once posted some info, but don't know where.

[TwoGunJayne]

I once posted some info, but don't know where.

Found it: http://northamericanarms.com/naaminis.com/smf/index.php?topic=3629.msg57846#msg57846

Black Widow Results: Colibri 373 fps, Super Colibri 580, Rem CBee 578, Rem Sub Sonic 798, Col SSS 708.

708 fps for Aguila Sniper Sub Sonic 60 grain, 2" barrel. 66 ft-lbs, not that bad really.

I remembered something about Trader Vic's rum, that's how I found it.

Thanks, sir.