Down to 35 practice rounds, 40 carry rounds.

[Adk.IBO]

I really like to shoot my Wasp but I'm cautiously saving what I have. Phone calls and a road trip next I guess. I will continue to practice with my 38 as I don't have trouble getting ammo for it. Even if I had gotten the 22lr cylinder that's not available either. I will save what I have until I get my CVang grips. I'll need to shoot a little with those. I'd rather practice a lot.

Stay safe, John

[Dinadan]

Adk.IBO - as of right now, Cheaper Than Dirt has Armscor in stock at $19.19 for 50 rounds. I have just about quit shooting .22 magnum because it is so hard to get. I need to order some too.

Oops, I see that it is Not for use in North American Arms guns.

Darn.

[nastruck]

I really need Mags and shorts. I do have LRs! It is amazing how most all ammo has recovered except the lowly 22.

[bujeezus]

within a one month period earlier this year, i came across the opportunity to buy 22lr in 2500 count buckets for $90 a piece at a not so local establishment. i live paycheck to paycheck so i had to twist my own arm to buy them, but man, i'm sure glad i did.

[TwoGunJayne]

Armscor and Bitterroot Valley Hills .22 mag - NOT FOR NAA North American Arms

Adk.IBO - as of right now, Cheaper Than Dirt has Armscor in stock at $19.19 for 50 rounds. I have just about quit shooting .22 magnum because it is so hard to get. I need to order some too.

Oops, I see that it is Not for use in North American Arms guns.

Darn.

Most of those stickers are due to the possibility of chain fire on a hammer drop. Technically, you could have one round of the offending ammo as first under the hammer on each cylinder. I guess that's a 20% solution right there.

Bitterroot Valley Hills (suspected of selling rebranded Armscor) also has a warning sticker against NAA guns. Before I found out, I'd run several boxes through my Black Widow! Upon reading and study, I found the potential problem and have presented my humble solution.

The only real problems other than a chance of chain fire is if the brass is too thick to light on a rim crush, or if the brass is too thin and you get case head swelling that ties up your revolver after a couple of shots.

I note that I've only seen "not for NAA" stickers on Armscor and BVH ammo, suspected to be from the same factory. I've had lots of problems with certain types of Aguila ammo in NAA guns, but they have no warning label against use in NAA guns.

The main thing I don't like about Aguila is that their primer compound smells like urine when you fire the weapon.

I'm good as far as carry ammo, it's the practice ammo I'm hurting upon. My stingy nature makes me not want to pop premium ammo for jollies.

[akman]

I've been shooting .22 WRF out of my magnum mini almost exclusively since I purchased it. Seems to be the only reasonably priced stuff I can find. I guess no one knows what it is because at gun shows it is everywhere.

When I first bought the gun I did pick up 100 rds of the armscor mag and never saw that tiny sticker until I was throwing away the empty boxes. A buddy and I shot them all up with no issues. Not saying they're safe by any means though.

[Kevin55]

 theories on 22lr shortage.

1. Huge ammo orders.  Why make a few pennies on 22lr when dollars can be made manufacturing center fire ammo.

2. Hoarding of ammo.

3.  Liberals have decided 22lr is the "gateway ammo".  Most shooters start with 22lr.  Less 22lr, less interest in the sport.  Tin foil hat off.

[TwoGunJayne]

Capitalism states that if there is nobody in a market niche, or there are not enough in a niche... the market will adjust to fill it.

I strongly suspect we may eventually see either more factories or more ammo companies... or both.

As has been said before, those yahoos who don't even shoot who have suddenly decided they want 250,000 rounds of ammo are to blame. Fortunately, these idiots aren't into pellet rifles.

If this doesn't get any better by next year, I'm diverting my entire gun and ammo budget to high end air guns. I've already made a few fun airgun purchases in this mindset and haven't been dissappointed. I still don't have my 9mm PCP repeater that shoots arrows too! 

I never would have thought the ammo situation would have gone on so long. There is NO WAY that this is just a "market fluctuation."

[Adk.IBO]

Well I made the phone calls and found 6 boxes of 22mag at the LGS where I bought my Wasp, 200 miles away, so I send my 83yr old mother down to pick up 2 boxes. She gets it. The rest of the story is that I asked what kind of ammo it was before telling my mother to go get it, guess what kind... you got it Armscor. So last night I go nosing around on this sight like I do most nights and am reminded about the usage of Armcor  ammo in a NAA firearm. So I call my mother back and ask her to return it and she goes back and they point to the sign on the wall "No Ammo Returns". She says what if I tell Visa to refuse to pay, they say we got that covered with the sign, basically saying go ahead. For $50 bucks!!! So I called NAA in Utah to confirm, sure enough and they say it was unethical of the LGS that sold me my Wasp to sell me ammo for my Wasp that has the potential to blow up in my hands! For $50 buck! They did say the USA made Armscor is ok but not the Philipine made Armscor. The Philipine made Armscor is supposed to have a sticker on it saying "Not for use in NAA firearms". I'm thinking it was a broken down case of 1000 or something. Not a happy camper. Anybody want to know the LGS? PM me.

[MR_22]

I saw boxes of .22 Magnum Gold Dots at my local gun store. I forget the price, something like $19.95 or something.

[I]

Yeesh! I'll just shoot the BG with .40 FMJ with that huge meplat. I hear that heavy bone is an excellent target for that round and platform combo as far as disrupting an opponent and stopping a threat.

I've also read somewhere that the .40 fmj with a large meplat has been successfully used in hunting medium game, such as white tail deer. You could definitely get away with it in south Georgia or Flordia due to the much smaller size of the deer, perhaps even with hollow points due to the reduced need for penetration.

On a typical BG in SD, the plates of the hips, the sternum, scapula (shoulder blades) and spine would be effective quick-stop targets, as well as the long bones of the legs. Keep in mind that a fractured femur (that's the upper leg bone) could cut the femoral artery and cause death by blood loss. The notion that shooting someone in the leg is nonfatal is a action movie and TV myth. People completely die from injuries to the extremities, the nice part is you've more time to seek medical attention.

I can get hundreds of rounds of the ammo I'm talking about all day. It's pretty killer through a carbine, such as the Keltec or Hipoint. In my area, those Highpoint carbines are always in good availability. Don't tell me 10 flat point .40 FMJs from a full length barrel isn't going all the way through a bad-guy. I'm not sure many vests would stop the wearer from dropping due to the blunt trauma of a full mag dump.

As far as an NAA, the .32 guardian stoked with FMJ might just be able to do some of the same things.