personal carry

[nastruck]

Hey Ya All!!!!
I read the forum way more then I post and find the topics to be most interesting. To me the minis is the most fascinating firearms on the market. My first was the 1 5/8" combo and is the one I tuck inside my waist band, mag cylinder loaded with CD rounds. I carry it on the left side as a cross draw.
My question is this (I know it has been talked about before)?
How many of you carry a mini as your only SD weapon (not as a back up)?
Which mini do you carry?
How do you carry it?
Which ammo (LR or mag)?

[Goatpacker]

Carry 3 NAAs every day. A shorty in a pocket holster right front pocket loaded with HPs. A Widow strong side belt holster or in the right side of my right boot when I go to town loaded with Gold Dots. A 1 5/8" mini mag crossdraw on belt or in the right side of my left boot when I go to town loaded with 2 shotshells first order and 3 Maxi-Mag+Vs next. I sometimes carry the 2 mags in the pockets of my vest when It is cold and I go to town.

[engtee]

I've taken to carrying my BW with Maxi-Mag +Vs in strong side front pocket and sometimes a 1-1/8 mag with same loads on ankle. I always have 10 extra rounds in weak side front pocket, in a quick strip.

[TwoGunJayne]

For a while I've soloed a Black Widow .22 mag, no spare ammo.

Later, I went to the .32 Guardian/BW combo. I liked that.

Stepping up to a .380 or pocket 9 is a nice thing, but the BW or 4" Earl make a great backup or "always." Sometimes those pocket 9s will feel like a brick in your pocket.

[JES14352]

My new BW will be my new when at home always in my pocket gun. For every thing else there is LCP , S&W , Mossberg

[SteveZ-FL]

Depending on the wardrobe, one NAA mini (.22LR 1 1/8th or .22WMR 1 1/8th) and/or a Baby Browning.  Not often do I go 2-gun, but always have 7 extra .22 rounds if carrying a mini and always an extra magazine for the BB.  Seven .22 rounds are because if I have to reload, there's always the potential of dropping a round or two during "inspired" reload.

[kmystry]

Most days I carry a Widow in an appendix carry IWB holster of my own making.  It just disappears...I don't even know it's there. Mostly carry the .22 mag. cylinder, no reload.
If I get a hankering, I'll sometimes carry my Smith Model 642 .38 Special in an appendix carry IWB holster.

[nastruck]

Thanks for the replies. I was hoping for a few more saying they did carry a mini as a solo carry. I think for convenience and ease of carry together with the power of the new CD mags it's a great choice....
Just me!!!!   

[Kentucky Kevin]

Pants on Guns on, one in each front pocket, with floppy wobblers and 22 lr. Part of EDC

[OV-1D]

 C-4 bomb vests work for me .   A little warm on hot days but otherwise fashionable especially in the middle east . 

[sidewinder_shooter]

Black widow with speer gold dots, M-F.  On saturday and sunday, I'll add the second BW.

[G50AE]

Glock G22 in a Galco Miami Classic shoulder holster system. 

[Uncle_Lee]

A Pug and a Sidewinder are the minimum that I carry. They have Gold Dots in them.
In cold, heavy coat weather, I carry a bunch but the two minis are in the group.
In the house I carry the Pug all the time.
If there is a home invasion, and they are becoming common, I will not have to go to somewhere else in the house to get help.
The little Pug weighs nothing and you don't even know it is there.

[OV-1D]

A Pug and a Sidewinder are the minimum that I carry. They have Gold Dots in them.
In cold, heavy coat weather, I carry a bunch but the two minis are in the group.
In the house I carry the Pug all the time.
If there is a home invasion, and they are becoming common, I will not have to go to somewhere else in the house to get help.
The little Pug weighs nothing and you don't even know it is there.

  Got that right Unc those home invasions are becoming more and more commonplace especially here in Florida , getting quite bold even houses with dogs are no deterrent . So all us older guys and gals are being more prepared these days just don't forget which pocket it's in , haha .

[RogueTS1]

Rarely if ever do I only carry a mini. I am very fond of the old Samurai thinking. Three blades/weapons makes for a complete walking around ensemble. 1911/ Glock 23/9 is my Katana, Walther/ Beretta .22 or Colt Mustang stand in as my Wakizashi and my Pug/ Baby Browning work as my Tanto. Well dressed is well armed.

Occasionally on warm days going out for a quick lunch from the office I may only throw the Pug in a pocket and carry along my speed strip with ten extra rounds, but rarely do I feel that to be enough.

[PugNStuff]

Hmmm, I always wonder where people live, work, or go that they feel the need to carry multiple firearms. However, if it gives them peace of mind I am all for it.

Like most, I am a creature of habit and my weekly schedule is pretty much set. I usually carry a BW in a strongside IWB Kydex holster, or sometimes a Pug in NAA IWB holster. If I wear shorts with big cargo pockets will sometimes carry the Pug in a pocket. Both loaded with Speer Gold Dots. Just got some CV grips for my .22 lr, may end up carrying it some with Stingers.

When I travel or may be going somewhere I am not familiar I generally carry a 9mm, usually the Walther P99c or the Walther PPS. I don't carry spare mags on me but do usually keep a spare in the car.

I am waiting on  a CZ75 P-01 to get back from a custom shop and plan to see how it works for my weekend, travel gun. Will be hard to beat the P99c though.

[TwoGunJayne]

Multiple firearms carried?

Home invasions happen in my state. Sometimes, they're waiting for you when you get home. That shotgun next to the bed will be in their hands. What you carry just might be all you can get in that situation.

It could happen to anyone, anytime. We're just waiting on the crimebags to show up and some people are blissfully ignorant of the possibilities.

2 guns, minimum. One can be at arm's length or in a bag or something, but you must never lose that bag. I like to keep a .40 Beretta 96 stoked with silvertips for low penetration in a backpack, slip it to one strap and have my hand on the grip when opening my home door. It'll be a nasty surprise for those "people." I hope to never have unwelcome guests like that when I get home.

Oh yeah, and that shotgun I mentioned. My "bait gun" has no firing capability. Click, click, bad guy.

[Goatpacker]

Hmmmm! Bait Gun? Pretty smart idea.

[TwoGunJayne]

Firing pins are very removable from most shotguns. Shells will chamber and cycle.

Click, click.

[Classanr]

Oh, man, perfect non-carry gun!

Carol has an old JCHiggins 12gauge bolt action 5-rounder.
I could remove the pin, which legally in my state "disables the gun" and let it sit upright in a rack by the door.  She doesn't shoot the gun anymore, but I am loath to sell it because we didn't go for the Sear's "bolt-buy-back" program, and someday it will be appreciated as being an original.

Load the gun up with shells that have spent primers, fake powder, and candy for pellets in star-crimps.
Click-Rack-Click-Rack-Curse-Curse gun.

I love it!

[Goatpacker]

I just wonder how much trouble one could get into by having a "bait gun" that was rigged to fail in a bad way for the guy pulling the trigger?

[bbgun]

My nighttime bed side table has a .38 S&W sitting there.  It looks fully loaded.  But since I'm a reloader, the primers are cleaned out and there is no powder in the cartridges.  Intruder + click, click + wakeup + bang! bang! bang!   

[PRM]

Most days I carry "solo" my NAA BW in .22 Magnum.  I've got bigger - but everything is a trade-off.  My BW is an always carry gun :-)

[Uncle_Lee]

Pugnstuff asked:
"Hmmm, I always wonder where people live, work, or go that they feel the need to carry multiple firearms. However, if it gives them peace of mind I am all for it."

A gun is a mechanical device. I don't care what name is on it or how much you paid for it.

It is just a mechanical device and all mechanical devices WILL fail. Most without warning.

A double whizz-bang, chrome plated, engraved, made in the USA, $2500.00 tuned up, slicked up, make everybody go "AHHH", will fail.
I carry more than one because of that fact. If one fails I am not left unarmed.

Like you said, it gives me peace of mind knowing that I won't be left standing there with a broken gun in my hand while the bad guy puts holes in me.

I just can't put that much faith in any mechanical device.

[nastruck]

This has been most interesting. I thank you all!
Next question will be forth coming

[TwoGunJayne]

I just wonder how much trouble one could get into by having a "bait gun" that was rigged to fail in a bad way for the guy pulling the trigger?

That's could fall under the category of a "trap gun" and they are usually very, very frowned upon.

I have one, but it's only a "trap gun" because it's an antique 2 1/2 inch chamber and steel shot shells will turn it into a frag grenade. I have modified it in no way, nor would I set it up with a tripwire or such. 2 3/4 inch shells fit the chamber, but the crimp will have nowhere to go and chamber pressures will skyrocket.

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/south-carolina-discussion-firearm-news/14858-what-trap-gun-spring-gun-like-device.html

I'd think that a trap gun should be legal if it's only a blanker, but there I go thinking again. The laws are inconsistent and often make no sense.

We're not talking about blasting clay pigeons here.

[RogueTS1]

Hmmm, I always wonder where people live, work, or go that they feel the need to carry multiple firearms. However, if it gives them peace of mind I am all for it.

Like most, I am a creature of habit and my weekly schedule is pretty much set. I usually carry a BW in a strongside IWB Kydex holster, or sometimes a Pug in NAA IWB holster. If I wear shorts with big cargo pockets will sometimes carry the Pug in a pocket. Both loaded with Speer Gold Dots. Just got some CV grips for my .22 lr, may end up carrying it some with Stingers.

When I travel or may be going somewhere I am not familiar I generally carry a 9mm, usually the Walther P99c or the Walther PPS. I don't carry spare mags on me but do usually keep a spare in the car.

I am waiting on  a CZ75 P-01 to get back from a custom shop and plan to see how it works for my weekend, travel gun. Will be hard to beat the P99c though.

A very good way to look at it is; how well armed are the police officers that are tasked with protection in your area? I would bet most if not all have at least a sidearm and a long arm near at hand as well as most carry a back up to their sidearm. I feel most comfortable knowing that I am at least as well prepared if not more so than these officers. After all the bad guys these officers pursue are not preying upon these officers; they are preying upon us as we run our daily lives. If the officers tasked with catching them need these arms then surely those being preyed upon should be in the same need.

Secondly; who is going to protect us from these officers in the, hopefully unlikely, event these well armed civil servants turn on us or accidentally go after the wrong person? Well armed is well dressed. Always be prepared as the Boy Scouts say.

[I]

I have horrible news from my sociology studies.

Armed civilians who posses a legal firearm, lawfully carry, and have the highest CCW training and permits their states allow are 1/20th as likely to be arrested or to have to deal with the legal system whatsoever.

Now here's the part that makes me cry. LEOs are statistically only slightly less likely to be lawfully convicted of serious crime as an "average citizen." Remember, they hire "normal people," some of whom are of a criminally predominant mind when compared to the unconstitutionally high standards of the highest CCW "luxury taxes" of most states. I don't recall the US Constitution stipulating a privileged few.

It's a sociology fact: enhanced CCW holders are of some of the highest standards in both society and interaction.

Idiots won't hold  CCW or even freedom very long.

[Dinadan]

I just wonder how much trouble one could get into by having a "bait gun" that was rigged to fail in a bad way for the guy pulling the trigger?

I am too old to trust my memory that the "bait gun" is a booby trap. I recall reading a story a few years ago about an old man who rigged a shotgun to shoot the bear that was robbing his bee hives. Next morning, the old man triggered the shotgun and shot himself, fortunately not fatally. I can so easily picture myself as that guy! Even worse, suppose for some reason a kid should enter the premises! I think an unloaded gun is a lot better for a "bait gun."

Regarding the original question in this post, I sometimes (rarely) carry a .357 or .32 Ruger Revolver, but NAA Minis are my normal SD carry. Usually I carry two. A Sidewinder or Pug in my trouser pocket, and a LR in my boot.

Hmmm, I always wonder where people live, work, or go that they feel the need to carry multiple firearms. However, if it gives them peace of mind I am all for it.

For folks who carry in the front trouser pocket as I do, drawing the gun when seated is either awkward or impossible. That is the reason that I began carrying a Mini in my boot as well as in my pocket. And like Uncle Lee said, any mechanical device can fail, so it it best to have a backup. I not infrequently carry a third Mini in the inside pocket of my vest, but that one is because I want too!

[I]

Good points, but a bait gun is not a trap gun.

Bait is hoping to reveal intent. Trap harms the unfortunate soul who activates the device.

For the civilian home owner, bait is legal. Traps open the possibility of a lawsuit from the $2.50 estate. Plus you might hurt little Suzy. Bad idea.

[G50AE]

(OPENS ENVELOPE)

And the award for quoting something G50AE said on usacarry in this forum goes to TwoGunJayne.  Please come up on stage and pick up your CCW Badge on the table next to the podium and give a brief acceptance speech.

I find it odd having a discussion I started over three years ago on another forum gets brought up here.  I never did get an answer as to whether the device I was asking about was a "trap-gun, spring-gun, or other like device".

[mrg]

I carry a NAA mini for personal defense when ultimate concealment is necessary. I have shot the NAA mini a lot and trust it. Most of the time I carry a .357 magnum.

[Dinadan]

Bait is hoping to reveal intent. Trap harms the unfortunate soul who activates the device.

Okay, that makes sense. I do not recall seeing the term bait gun before.

I have one, but it's only a "trap gun" because it's an antique 2 1/2 inch chamber and steel shot shells will turn it into a frag grenade. I have modified it in no way, nor would I set it up with a tripwire or such. 2 3/4 inch shells fit the chamber, but the crimp will have nowhere to go and chamber pressures will skyrocket.

What if the pressure does not actually burst the chamber and those shot come out the muzzle? You would be Hoist with his own petard, as Shakespeare says. I would not want to depend on something that cannot be tested beforehand.

[TwoGunJayne]

(OPENS ENVELOPE)

And the award for quoting something G50AE said on usacarry in this forum goes to TwoGunJayne.  Please come up on stage and pick up your CCW Badge on the table next to the podium and give a brief acceptance speech.

I find it odd having a discussion I started over three years ago on another forum gets brought up here.  I never did get an answer as to whether the device I was asking about was a "trap-gun, spring-gun, or other like device".

The gun world is a small place.

So anyway, why'd you get banned there?

To answer your question, if you duct-taped a shotgun such that it were pointed through your window and tripwired in such a way to fire upon the opening of said window, this is a trap gun. Once upon a time, there were blank-firing black powder devices for this as a simple alarm. One thing led to another and people started using bullets; it became a problem. That's when the law stepped in.

A spring gun is basically the same thing. Different word, same idea. Maybe it's a tripwire. Maybe it's a spring. Same thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring-gun

A spring-gun is a gun, often a shotgun, rigged to fire when a string or other triggering device is tripped by contact of sufficient force to "spring" the trigger so that anyone stumbling over or treading on it would discharge the gun.

Spring-guns were formerly used as booby traps against poachers and trespassers. Since 1827, spring-guns and all man-traps are illegal in England. Spring-guns are sometimes used to trap animals.

Although there have been few reported cases of use, there have been several unconfirmed cases over the 20th century. The obvious implication is that spring-guns are still in use today, especially in circumstances where property of high value is in a remote location that makes other forms of securing it unreasonably difficult to effect.

Spring-guns are often used to protect premises from trespassers. For this purpose, spring-guns are often placed in busy corridors such as near doors. A trespasser opening the door completely would then be shot. Residents who are aware of the trap use a different door or open the door halfway and disconnect the tripwire. To reduce fatalities by using this trap, non-lethal calibers are often used, or the spring gun is fitted to fire less lethal ammunition.

For example in the United States, most spring-guns are loaded with non-lethal caliber or shot to avoid liability arising from the use of deadly force in protection of a property interest. Posting clear and unmistakable warning signs as well as making entry to spring-gun guarded premises difficult for innocent persons, such as high walls, fences and natural obstacles, are significant ways to reduce potential tort liability arising from the spring-gun's wounding of a careless or criminal intruder. Important US lawsuits regarding trespassers wounded by spring-guns include Katko v. Briney. Bird v. Holbrook is an 1825 English case also of great relevance, where a spring-gun set to protect a tulip garden injured a trespasser who was recovering a stray bird [1]. The man who set the spring-gun was liable for the damage caused.

In today's lawsuit happy world, you'd have to be a fool to deploy a spring/trap gun even on your own property. There is no way to say "no, that's my daughter who's about to trip it accidentally, keep it from going off."

Unintended consequences. It's just like poison, a sloppy and inaccurate weapon.

A BAIT gun is like the LEO strategy of a "bait car" left in an area of high vehicle theft. The bait car has remote ignition killswitches, and possibly hidden cameras and such. Not quite entrapment, as no LEO was there influencing the jackers to take that car.

BGs get into the bait car, steal it, drive off, their intent is revealed. They're done before they got started. A bait gun is pretty much the same way. You know the BG is a BG for sure when he points the bait gun at you and clicks it a few times. That's intent to commit murder right there, friends.

[boots]

I have been away for some time.  My BW is always with me and a 3" 44mag in an OWB most of the time.