Looking for Chronograph velocities of the .32 acp Guardian

Joe S · July-29-14 09:07

I'm interested in real velocities that have been chronographed. I am especially interested in Fiocchi .32 acp 60 gr JHP APHP (shooting dynamics not the XTP load)
I've been using this round lately, now that I'm out of my Hornady XTP. Fiocchi list this 60 gr JHP APHP at 1200 fps, and their XTP load 60 gr XTPHP at 1000 fps. Hornady also list their 60 gr JHP XTP at 1000fps. The Fiocchi APHP load has more recoil,much louder and penetrates deeper. I would like to know how fast it is out of my Guardian's short 2.5 in barrel. I'm guessing about 900 fps. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Any chrono velocities for any .32 ammo shot from the Guardian will be great also.

OV-1D · July-29-14 11:07

I'm always curious why anyone would need to know these things about velocities on these small calibers , even large calibers . Can someone please fill me in on this subject . As long as it exits the barrel with any kind of bang , more quite preferably , seems ample enough for my likings . What am I missing ?

Joe S · July-29-14 11:07

Fiocchi is half the price of Hornady, and it's good to know if the extra bang is generating more speed. I also think 125 ft lbs v.s 180 ft lbs is a big enuff of a differance to go with one over the other, 100 to 150 fps faster is a big deal when you talk about penetration. Maybe it's just me but I like to know.

OV-1D · July-29-14 12:07

Joe ........ I wasn't criticizing I was just needing to know what is all the hub-bub is about , thanks for a reply .

Dinadan · July-29-14 18:07

Joe - have looked at NAA's ballistics site? If you have not, here is the link. I do not know if it covers the ammo you are looking for.

http://northamericanarms.com/ball_32acp

MR_22 · July-29-14 18:07

GoldenLoki has maintained a great ballistics site for years, but it's finally gone down. I'm not sure why. I went with GoldenLoki, or Dean, many years ago to the Boulder City shooting range, near Las Vegas, and actually Chrony'ed some rounds thru my Guardian .32 for use on his site.

Fortunately, an archive his data that used to be on his site is available. You can find his data for .32ACP here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130320185813/http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm

cfsharry · July-29-14 19:07

OV,
When hand loading different load combinations are often developed to find which offers the best performance in a given gun. More often than not the best accuracy is achieved at a powder charge less than maximum. A lot of folks chronograph the various loads developed as a means of determining how much energy is developed by each loading combination. Guns are often idiosyncratic and the same identical load combination often produces different results in different guns.
Joe,
1200fps is pretty fast for the .32acp handgun. Do you know the barrel length used?

Joe S · July-31-14 11:07

Quote from: cfsharry on July-29-14 19:07
OV,
When hand loading different load combinations are often developed to find which offers the best performance in a given gun. More often than not the best accuracy is achieved at a powder charge less than maximum. A lot of folks chronograph the various loads developed as a means of determining how much energy is developed by each loading combination. Guns are often idiosyncratic and the same identical load combination often produces different results in different guns.
Joe,
1200fps is pretty fast for the .32acp handgun. Do you know the barrel length used?

I think the barrel length is 3.75, 1200 fps is real fast for a .32 acp. I think it's more like 1150 fps @ 3.75in and 950 fps @ 2.5 in barrel. That would be a guess though. Fiocchi .32 acp APHP is listed at Midway USA at 1200 fps and 205 ft lbs, this would be something even out of a 5 inch barrel( for a .32 acp )let alone a 3.75 in.

OV-1D · July-31-14 14:07

Quote from: cfsharry on July-29-14 19:07
OV,
When hand loading different load combinations are often developed to find which offers the best performance in a given gun. More often than not the best accuracy is achieved at a powder charge less than maximum. A lot of folks chronograph the various loads developed as a means of determining how much energy is developed by each loading combination. Guns are often idiosyncratic and the same identical load combination often produces different results in different guns.
Joe,
1200fps is pretty fast for the .32acp handgun. Do you know the barrel length used?

Thanks Harry I guess these things do matter to some , to each there own I always say .

Now if it changed bullet fragmentation exceptionally that's something worth talking about .

Joe S · August-01-14 00:08

Quote from: MR_22 on July-29-14 18:07
GoldenLoki has maintained a great ballistics site for years, but it's finally gone down. I'm not sure why. I went with GoldenLoki, or Dean, many years ago to the Boulder City shooting range, near Las Vegas, and actually Chrony'ed some rounds thru my Guardian .32 for use on his site.

Fortunately, an archive his data that used to be on his site is available. You can find his data for .32ACP here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20130320185813/http://www.goldenloki.com/ammo/gel/32acp/gel32acp.htm

Thanks for the link, it list a few loads I'm interested in. This was very helpful.