Fantasy NAA

[Macc283]

Mini master and black widow with night sights is what I would like to see or even just the pug sights. And a 25naa cal mini also.

[TwoGunJayne]

I want the Pug-style tritium night sights on my Black Widow, as well.

I was told that the dovetails for the Pug and BW/MM sights aren't compatible? Is this correct? I can't fathom having two different sets of dovetails as they're made from the same stock.

Perhaps they will become available one day? I'd like trits. The BW/MM non adjustable sights are some of the best carry sights I've seen, with the only ding coming from low light performance. Oh well, that's why I carry the flaslight(s). 

Power went out the other night. I spent enough time picking out what light to use that the power came back on. 

...in search of more light.

IDEA!!!!!

Ooh! Ooh! We need a Black Widow tac-light that's just like the Venom Laser! I want that very, very badly!

[grayelky]

TGJ wrote:
Ooh! Ooh! We need a Black Widow tac-light that's just like the Venom Laser! I want that very, very badly!

With the LEDs available today, it would not need to be much larger, if any. A 25 foot throw would be adequate, I think.

I would like to see a standard 1 5/8 mini with the trit front sight. About the only improvement that needs to be made to a carry mini.

[OV-1D]

  A spot light would definitely be better than that laser . Myself I wouldn't trust that laser staying on target after firing some but I'm just guessing fore I don't own one yet . I know that top mounted one , no matter how well it's installed , moves if not epoxied on . 

[Goatpacker]

I want the Pug-style tritium night sights on my Black Widow, as well.

I was told that the dovetails for the Pug and BW/MM sights aren't incompatible? Is this correct? I can't fathom having two different sets of dovetails as they're made from the same stock.

Perhaps they will become available one day? I'd like trits. The BW/MM non adjustable sights are some of the best carry sights I've seen, with the only ding coming from low light performance. Oh well, that's why I carry the flaslight(s). 

Power went out the other night. I spent enough time picking out what light to use that the power came back on. 

...in search of more light.

IDEA!!!!!

Ooh! Ooh! We need a Black Widow tac-light that's just like the Venom Laser! I want that very, very badly!

The dovetails are different but there is a company that will do it. Forget the name but I think they quoted me $175 and 2 week turn around time. This is an option I would like to have as well but not "That" Bad. Would rather have a drop in that some manufacturer could just send me.

[bill7676]

  ok I would like tho see a guardian in 22 lr.and 22 mag.with mag. Release on bottom,,,also I still want a 32acp .mini revolver

[bill7676]

  also let's make that 32 acp mini a  breaktop and lets call it a scout....

[ikoiko]

I believe, that many forumites would prefer the .32acp mini be called "The Uncle Lee".

[Uncle_Lee]

I believe, that many forumites would prefer the .32acp mini be called "The Uncle Lee".

Thank You,
I'll take two.

[TwoGunJayne]

I believe, that many forumites would prefer the .32acp mini be called "The Uncle Lee".

Poll Thread?

[grayelky]

While I may vote in favor of it, we still need to remember Sandy has indicated in his last Soapbox they are not working on a 32 mini. He went so far as to apologize to Uncle Lee. I think if NAA ever builds a 32 mini, there is a chance it could be called the Uncle Lee.

[cfsharry]

I don't fantasize about things that will likely never be, (peace on earth, a good looking, female, Albanian shot putter, my wife running out of things for me to do).  I do dream about things I believe to be possible.  One such doable dream I've mentioned before, a top-break in .22LR built on the magnum frame but shortened to the LR cylinder.  Manual star extractor is just fine and would reduce mfg. cost.  In my opinion, a very balanced little revolver, easier to reload than other minis, including the Sidewinder and with a lot of eye appeal.
Sandy, I'm talking to you now, this would sell!

[grayelky]

The problem with the BT was never if it would sell, it was always too expensive to build to keep it within a price point Sandy and Co felt would be reasonable. Like you, I would not mind a manual extractor. I suspect that would not be enough savings to bring the labor cost down to the desired price point, but it may help.

[cfsharry]

Gray,
I guess I would like to have some idea what NAA would need for an asking price for it to be profitable for them.  The only things to add cost would be the extractor, hinge and top latch. 
The Sidewinder is more complex than any of the other minis but the list price is only $349. 
NAA had no problem selling the original batch of 500 (?) top-breaks even before they said there would be no others made.
A limited batch of manual extractors, at whatever price would be required would, I believe, sell out quickly.
I guess I would just like to know a ballpark number so as to get it out of my head if that number is ridiculously high.

[NOTL21]

One has to wonder if there is price sensitivity on quality made NAA pistols within a $295 to $495 sale price band?

No one thinks twice dropping $3k on an Ed Brown, Nighthawk, Wilson or Springfield Operator.

We have been conditioned to believe that is the price for a high quality 1911.

Every Talo edition of the NAA have sold out and those are premium priced and "limited edition".

Perhaps if NAA created a "sense of urgency" via small runs of quality unique revolvers at prices that were marginally profitable as well as affordable, they could satisfy forum readers as well as their bottom line.

The mere fact that every forum member has multiple firearms/knives/(read other collectibles) suggests that there is room for NAA to expand their quality offerings to suit the forums requests.

Another idea would be to offer the guns on a pre-order (with perhaps a deposit or discount for paid in fulls) to gauge interest prior to the build.  With Paypal, it is now far simpler to bill and process payments.

Run times on Custom Shop Springfields are out 25 months and Nighthawks are over a year.  I think folks are willing to wait for what they want and actually look forward to their eventual acquisition.

[Dinadan]

Gray,
I guess I would like to have some idea what NAA would need for an asking price for it to be profitable for them.  The only things to add cost would be the extractor, hinge and top latch. 
The Sidewinder is more complex than any of the other minis but the list price is only $349. 
NAA had no problem selling the original batch of 500 (?) top-breaks even before they said there would be no others made.
A limited batch of manual extractors, at whatever price would be required would, I believe, sell out quickly.
I guess I would just like to know a ballpark number so as to get it out of my head if that number is ridiculously high.

When the Sidewinder was announced, I found it hard to believe that the swing out cylinder was cheaper to build than the breaktop. Yet, I suppose it must be, because it is still being made, whereas the breaktop was discontinued because it was too expensive to make and sell. I also would like to have a LR breaktop. I like the magnum frame Minis but I mostly shoot LR out of them, so the option of a LR length cylinder in a magnum frame breaktop would definitely appeal to me.

[PaducahMichael]

I'm really sorry I missed out on the breaktop...I am a big fan of that kind of weapon and would have LOVED to have an NAA. The price nowadays even if you can find one for sale is way too high - but I'd pay more than the usual NAA prices for one if they ever started making them again. Keep hoping I'll find one some day...

[grayelky]

It was announced the intended MSRP of the BT was $399.00 (I think). It has never been revealed what the MSRP would have to be to make the BT profitable. We were told when asked for a quote for an additional order of 5000 pieces, the vendor(s) simply said to add 25% to the current cost. I personally think the problem is the price would have to be high enough that Sandy does not want to put a product on the market that would appear NAA is price gouging. The pre-order idea has been suggested, as have several other ideas, trying to tempt Sandy into making at least an occasional limited run. So far a polite but sure, "Not at this time." has been the response. I suspect part of the problem has been the back log of unfilled orders. Sandy has not said, yet, there would be no more Break Tops. He has only said that until manufacturing techniques change, it is not feasible to produce them at a price point acceptable to NAA.

Sandy reads these pages, and stays current on what we discuss. He is acutely aware the desire from us to bring back the BT. Consider the amount of time and money the company has invested in the BT. We were told they lost money on each one sold. There is little doubt if it were feasible to make a production run, it would be done. Until a change is made in manufacturing techniques, which could be something NAA does, or something some of their vendors do, or both, I would not get my hopes up for a. BT. My current plans to acquire a second one is to hope someone brings one into the shop to sell, and they have no idea what they have.

I suspect the archives of Sandy's Soapbox still hold the column where he announced the halt of production, and his reasons for the halt.

[bill7676]

I too would like to  see the breaktop come back onto the seen,,,not only in its original format,,,but in a bw,as well,that would be way cool.....mabe could turn that into an uncle lee scout 32 acp...... 

[bill7676]

sandy,,, I wish you could make the guardian a little bit bigger in the trigger guard area so it doesn't hurt my finger to shoot it,,,big hands also cause mag. to drop out sometimes when shooting the guardian,,, by putting the mag. release on botton,,,like my seecamp 32 acp it would be a lot easier for us big boys to use,,,i would like to have another guardian 32 acp,,,,they are a really great gun just a little to small for me,,,i had a used one but had to sell just could not use it safely with mag. dropping out and all,,,and hurt finger way to much,,,,it would shoot about anything though.......

[bill7676]

also will naa ever make a mini or at least a very small 22 lr or 22 mag. sa/da revolver????something like the smith&wesson 351 pd or 317. I for one would  not be into the same looks as the smith,,,i would like the said gun to have the same looks as the mini does now, or mabe a bw,, yes more like a bw mabe something along those lines....and yes it wouldn't hurt to do one in 32 acp for uncle lee.....

[bill7676]

if nothing else,,,,you could use it to test the waters,,,limited run something like that......

[bill7676]

 ;)how about an 1-5/8"barrel pug...

[bill7676]

or even 1.12" BARREL PUG???

[bill7676]

anyone else got any ideas here???

[bill7676]

 ;)well im off to dream land,,,,,have fun all......over and out.....

[RogueTS1]

.380 Guardian with Big Dot night sights, an ejector, checkered front and backstrap at 30 lpi, front cocking serrations and some pachmeyer rubber grips.

[Uncle_Lee]

Sandy,
I know, I know that you said no but:

I want a pair of .32 acp minis!!!!

[OV-1D]

  Honestly Unc whats the fasciation with this 32ACP mini , inquiring minds need to know . 

[Uncle_Lee]

There are no .32 acp minis so owning a pair would be unique.

It is not uncommon to wish for the unobtainable.
When I was little I wanted a pony. Dad used horses in the field so why couldn't I have a pony?
When I was old enough to get married I wanted one that looked like Lana Turner. Almost got that.



I still don't have a cell phone and don't want one.

[OV-1D]

  I read that a little too fast and thought you said Tina Turner , HaHa . Cell phones your right on the money with those dam things , I-pads cell phones all that electronic trash seems to be the only thing on everyone elses minds ,whats left of them , minds that is . 

[burncycle]

Would a .32 NAA even scale properly?  I don't think you'd get the same "NAA" look or proportions

[Uncle_Lee]

Would a .32 NAA even scale properly?  I don't think you'd get the same "NAA" look or proportions

My wife ain't the same "look or proportions" as she once was but I still love her. She is unique like a .32 acp mini.

[OV-1D]

   Mine too , me neither I'll admit it . I always thought size 40 waist was for fat guys , never throw stones in glass houses .  hahahahaha . 

[grayelky]

burn cycle-

I don't mean to over-simplify, but are you aware .32 ACP is a different caliber than .32 NAA? For those who are not:

.32 Automatic Colt Pistol- a straight walled, semi rimmed cartridge

.32 North American Arms- a bottle-necked (shape of a Coke bottle) cartridge made from a .380 ACP cartridge by reducing the diameter of the portion holding the bullet to a size small enough to fit a .32 caliber bullet.

There is also a .25 NAA cartridge, which is a .32 ACP cartridge necked down to .25 caliber.