Break Top Sales...

[stungun]

Wondering if anybody has any insight as to how well the 500 have sold in this past month or so.

   

   Any numbers?

   

   Any probabilities & statistics that lead you guys to believe that the Break Top will or won't be a full run production device??

   

   Also, if I decided to order... would my CC be billed now or when it ships?

   

   How long could I possibly have to wait if I'm order number 477??

[pocketheat]

I too am trying to decide whether to buy but  the breaktop doesn't address my two concerns with the mini I already own:

   1.  There is no triggerguard

   2.  Cartridges in the cylinder are not shielded from accidental discharge by striking a sharp object in your pocket.

   Also, it has been indicated that the breaktop will not necessarily be easy or fast to reload.

   I currently carry a loaded extra cylinder in a 35mm plastic film canister and at gun range conditions can reload really fast. So, what is the real advantage of the breaktop model?  Besides being really cool looking?  And how much more will it weigh than the standard 1-5/8 22M?

[45flint]

I assume we will get a feel for this once the shipments start and people start posting their serial numbers.   My assumption is that their are probably enough people out their like me to make it successful. Really cool looking goes a long way with some of us I guess. 15 days and counting!!

   Steve

[grayelky]

Stungun-

   Your CC will not be billed until your gun is shipped.

   

   In reading the other threads on the BT, it seems they are selling/have sold fairly well. This is better than I personally felt they would. While I have bought one, I feel they are more expensive than the market will support. Obviously, Sandy and his staff at NAA feel differently. (Just between you and me, they have a better track record with success than I do.)

   

   They seem to be on track for shipping beginning Oct. 15, as promised. Just a guess on my part, but I suspect all will be shipped by the end of the month. I emphasize, a guess.

   

   My $.02 worth (and bear in mind, inflation, so you know what this is really worth):

   If you like the novelty of it, and can afford it, buy it. If they do not go into production, trying to get one later will be expensive. If they do go into production, you will still have an original, pre-production sample. This may bear a premium in the future, and it may not. Either way, if you want one, you will have one. I recommend against buying any gun hoping it will increase in value and become a highly sought after collectible. Buy it because you like it and want it.

[Uncle_Lee]

If they only sell 498, I'll take the left overs.

[coinchop]

Pocketheat>

   As to your two concerns,

   1. No triggergaurd...Its a single action, why would you need a triggerguard? Would just make the gun bigger.

   2. Cartridges in cylinder not shielded.

   I would never carry a gun in a pocket with anything else in the same pocket. Not any gun, ever.

   Just my thoughts, everybody does their own thing I guess.

[chopprs]

......nor without a proper pocket holster which shields the gun from possible blows!

[pocketheat]

Coinchop, true but every gun made with exception of a few derringers has a triggerguard for a reason including single action guns.  Suppose you are in high alert mode and you cock the gun while proceeding down a dimly lite hallway and then stub your toe.  The gun discharges but with a triggerguard your triggerfinger would be along side the guard as you walked just like with every other gun.  

   

   Yes it would make the gun a bit bigger but not by much.

   

   Regarding the unprotected cylinder rounds there's Murphy's Law that states if it can happen, it will happen, sometime.  In a perfect world it would never happen and I am very carefull with my gun but things happen...you could even drop it.  Just my thoughts.

[pocketheat]

Chopprs, even the madhat pocket holsters don't protect the rounds in the cylinder from a sharp object say something in your hand at the exact moment of all hell breaking loose.  Maybe most people would be cool, calm and collected before reaching for their gun and maybe not...

[45flint]

I think you are over worried about unprotected cylinder rounds?  They are more protected than earlier models by being recessed and the added protection of a pocket holster seems to me to be pretty safe.

[45flint]

I think you have to take this on face value that when Sandy says they are no covering their costs of production on this, they aren't. I can believe that: with this early production model with more hand fitting. If someone will give you something for less than it costs to produce: some would call that a good deal. His goal as stated would be to lower the cost of a production model.  Their is no assurance that that can be done, though I think they know they are on the edge of making this just a little too pricey for many people.  

   Steve

[lashlarue]

Just go buy a Glock, there are dozens of verified owner shooting themself incidents,only one NAA confirmed.In that one the gun was not in his pocket.

[mayvik]

"The gun discharges but with a triggerguard your triggerfinger would be along side the guard as you walked just like with every other gun. "

   

   There are plenty of places to put your finger other than on the trigger if that is your concern.  Like down the side along the barrel, for instance.

[pocketheat]

45flint, you're probably right but it seems that every revolver on the planet shields the cartridge primer from outside contact which sort of makes this a best practice for gun mfgrs.

   

   Lashlarue, its not fair to compare the safety history of a Glock with a NAA mini since there are probably 10,000 times more Glocks out there but I get the point that it would be a rare occurance to shoot yourself with a mini.

   

   Mayvik, I know there are other places to put my triggerfinger and I do but the mini unlike derringers has a very light trigger pull.  Some of the derringers I have require 12+ lbs. of trigger pull and so chance of accidental discharge is minimal.

[stungun]

I'd like to know the answer to Pocketheat's other question if anybody else can help us out...

   

   "And how much more will it weigh than the standard 1-5/8 22M?"

   

   

[45flint]

I can't imagine the weight increase being much at all, I think you guys are thinking things up to worry about.  More moving parts but doesn't look like that much increase in bulk.

[zippovarga]

I didn't see anywhere in this thread where there was mention of the safety notches. Strike the hammer as hard as you want.....it's impossible for the firearm to go off with the hammer in a safety notch.  

   

   Trigger Guard.......hogwash. If you are proficient with a firearm, and all you have with you is a Mini, you'll know the firearm well enough to handle it as needed for the given situation. If you are not confident that you can stay level headed in a situation that requires collective thinking and action, then you better have your running shoes on or be a fast talker to avoid becoming a statistic. A trigger guard isn't going to make or break a confrontation with a BG. YOU are going to make or break a confrontation with a BG with the firearm you are comfortable with. If it doesn't have a trigger guard and you're not comfortable with it, then leave it at home and take one WITH a trigger guard. Simple as that. IMO that is.

[mayvik]

The concern with an AD is hitting one of the exposed rims around the side of the cylinder, not a round under the hammer.  You could in theory do that if you were carrying loose in a pocket, along with something else that would get in there between the edge of the cylinder and hit the exposed rim.  Which is why a pocket holster is a good idea...

[backporch22]

I think all NAA's are hand made.  Maybe machine work but still hand made.  To me the breaktop was just too much money, more than my smith 638 before rebate.  just my 2 cents.

[silvershooter]

Pocket, ("2. Cartridges in the cylinder are not shielded from accidental discharge by striking a sharp object in your pocket.")  

   As coinchop said, I would never carry a sharp object in the same pocket with a gun.  

   I've never been very concerned about my 22M rounds accidentally going off since the brass seems sturdier than the LR rounds. I don't carry LR rounds for self-defense(22M is my bottom limit).

   It is good to be careful and plan for the unexpected; However, in this case I think the concern is unwarranted. I would be more concerned about the hammer being partly cocked by a bump, if not properly holstered.

   As far as a trigger guard, I generally prefer them. With mini's, and even a blackwidow, I would say that they don't make sense. To accommodate the different hand types(large/long) the guard would be as big as the gun. The whole idea of a mini is concealment, otherwise we'd carry a Ruger Single Six in our waist bands.  

    I had a scare one night while walking on my property. It was very dark, I heard movement in the brush, all of a sudden there was movement right in front of me. I really, in that split second, felt a black bear or other large animal was about to be upon me. Instinct, not practice in my case, caused me to pull and cock my BW in one quick motion(I had never really practiced this with my BW). Let's just say, thank God my finger was touching the underside of the frame and NOT on the trigger; because the movement was that of something I did NOT want to shoot. Proper technique prevented an accidental discharge. Keeping your finger off the trigger of a loaded gun until you're ready to shoot is definitely something to always do in my opinion. As I felt very threatened but still did not KNOW what my target was, I was ready but restrained. I wouldn't ordinarily every have my BW cocked, this was just a sudden/extreme situation. Once I determined there was no threat I made the weapon safe. I don't think a trigger guard would have helped in this situation. In fact, in some stressful(maybe dark) situations a person might mistake a trigger for the front of a trigger guard. Just thinking.

[silvershooter]

As far as breaktop sales, I hope they reach or exceed expectations. In a more favorable economy there would be no question. I really wanted one but can't justify it right now with my current financial situation. I hope they go into production so maybe I can buy one in a year or two or three.

[backporch22]

Silvershooter, sounds good.  Hope they sell well, and maybe I will have more money or the price goes down or both.