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Started by PaducahMichael, August-03-15 20:08

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PaducahMichael

August-03-15 20:08
According to the brand new August Soapbox, we're going to soon have another Sidewinder choice to make : a 2 1/2" model!

I can't wait to see photos of this version - should look GREAT! Maybe they will add some to the Soapbox when available.

I'm excited!
"The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness."

bigdave74

#1
August-04-15 05:08
I have been waiting for this since day one of the Sidewinder.  Two for me!!!

redhawk4

#2
August-04-15 11:08
That would be the model to get me off the fence over buying one. The extra barrel length will make little difference regarding concealing it, while adding useful extra muzzle velocity and a larger sighting radius.
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Dinadan

#3
August-04-15 13:08
To me, this is the most exciting news out of NAA since the first Sidewinders. The one I have been waiting for! I would love to get a pair of the 2 1/2" Sidewinders, but considering the price for a conversion I will probably settle for one.

Kestrel

#4
August-04-15 18:08
 ;D Now that's what I'm talking 'bout!

redhawk4

#5
August-04-15 19:08
They should call it the Goldilocks Sidewinder, not to long, not too short, the one that's just right.
Old Enough to Know Better - Still Too Young to Care

I "Acted the Fool" so often in School they made me get an Equity Card

Bluelitenin

#6
August-06-15 15:08
The Sidewinders will be like the Pug, BW, &MM.
Small, medium,  and long.

Joshua 2415

#7
August-06-15 16:08
I'd like to read Sandy's Soapbox regarding this 2 1/2 Sidewinder. But, I can't figure out how to access the Soapbox on the website. Help?

MR_22

#8
August-06-15 16:08
Go to the main page and select the menu item second from the right: "Sandy's Soapbox". The one on the far right is "Message Boad".

Or just go here:

http://northamericanarms.com/soapbox.html

Joshua 2415

#9
August-06-15 17:08
Great, thanks for the link!

I was trying to find on this website (naaminis.com), but now realize the northamericanarms.com is a different website altogether.

grayelky

#10
August-06-15 19:08
Has anyone else realized the 2 1/2 SW and the Sheriff share the same barrel length? How does the 2 1/2 Sheriff sell? I'm confident Sandy and Company have looked at that, but from my little experience, the Sheriff sells slow.
Guns are a lot like parachutes:

"If you need one and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again"

bleak_window

#11
August-07-15 11:08
I've always assumed the Sheriff was a low seller.  I really like the design myself.  Maybe I should get one while they still make 'em.

Dinadan

#12
August-07-15 17:08 Last Edit: August-07-15 17:08 by Dinadan
Quote from: grayelky on August-06-15 19:08
Has anyone else realized the 2 1/2 SW and the Sheriff share the same barrel length? How does the 2 1/2 Sheriff sell? I'm confident Sandy and Company have looked at that, but from my little experience, the Sheriff sells slow.
Yes, I had noticed that the barrel is the same length as the Sheriff. I would guess that the Sheriff sales are low purely because of how few we see posted on this forum. Personally, I like the Sheriff ... but it just does not look as good as the 3" Earl or the Black Widow. In my opinion. If the Sheriff were just a shortened version of the Earl, I might very well own one, but I just do not like the profile with its cylinder pin. That said, if I came across a conversion Sheriff at a good price, I would get it!

I will be getting a 2 1/2" Sidewinder as soon as I can (hopefully) get a local shop to order one for me.

I will be interested to see if the lug on the 2 1/2" will be like the 4" version or the original version. I am hoping NAA goes with the longer lug of the 4" Sidewinder.

PaducahMichael

#13
August-07-15 20:08
I have a Sheriff and I really like it. My only gripe is that "Sheriff" has a western connotation and I think it would look more western with a fluted cylinder.

"The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness."

CavScout

#14
August-11-15 14:08 Last Edit: August-11-15 14:08 by CavScout
Not a high end Photoshop...

but it is a sample of a 2 1/2" Sidewinder, using the same underlug as the 4" barrel.

Measured from the front of the frame as my Earlybird SW was back in the day.
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

CavScout

#15
August-11-15 14:08 Last Edit: August-11-15 14:08 by CavScout
And here's a version measured from the front of the cylinder, like the current listed specs.

And yes... I want one!
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

Dinadan

#16
August-11-15 15:08 Last Edit: August-11-15 16:08 by Dinadan
QuoteAnd here's a version measured from the front of the cylinder, like the current listed specs.
Nice images, CavScout! Cannot wait to get my hands on one of those!


Kentucky Kevin  posted a photo in the Whats your favorite current production NAA mini revolver? which appears to show that the 4" Sidewinder barrel is measured from the front of the cylinder like all the other Minis except the original Sidewinder. Hopefully the 2 1/2" will also use the normal measurement.  I want one in either case! I hope we see some photos of the real thing soon!

CavScout

#17
August-11-15 20:08 Last Edit: August-11-15 20:08 by CavScout
I guess the only question now is what length they make the underlug.

We know it doesn't need to be longer than the original to be functional.

To be proportional to the 4" barrel underlug, it would be shortened to 62.5% of the one pictured.

Of course, they could extend the underlug to the muzzle... and turn the Sidewinder into a Micro-Python! ;)
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

CavScout

#18
August-11-15 21:08
Ladies and Gentlemen...

I give you the NAA Mi-Py!  :o
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

CavScout

#19
August-11-15 21:08
Ad a modified Black Widow/Masters barrel...

And we're almost there!  8)
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

45flint

#20
August-12-15 15:08 Last Edit: August-12-15 16:08 by 45flint
Quote from: CavScout on August-11-15 21:08
Ladies and Gentlemen...

I give you the NAA Mi-Py!  :o

That does look nice!  I have a Python. I hope NAA is looking but bet design is already done. 

CavScout

#21
August-12-15 17:08
I wouldn't give up hope!

Look at the evolution of the Earl...

4" Earl
3" Earl
6" Hogleg
4" Cap-n-Ball
2 1/2" Sheriff

And look at all the other various renditions that have spawned from the basic NAA Magnum Frame!

The Sidewinder only has one offspring so far... and a second one on the drawing board.

I believe the swing-out cylinder/recoil shield magnum frame will the platform for many siblings and cousins before the next major frame design takes over.

I know of at least one senior forum member that would have a moment of elation if NAA announced a new frame for .32 ACP was due out in the year!  ;D
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

Dinadan

#22
August-12-15 17:08
I do not care too much for the micro Python look. I do hope the lug is longer than the original Sidewinder lug. Halfway between that and the 4" Sidewinder lug would be best, in my opinion. Next best would be the same as the 4" sidewinder lug. Hopefully, we will not have to wait too long to see the real thing.

CavScout

#23
August-12-15 18:08
I've been away for awhile... so I don't know if NAA succeeded in tooling up to make barrels in-house, or if they are still dependent on outsourced barrels?

Regardless, it would appear the only change in the production schedule on the Sidewinder should be which barrel length is installed, and how many?

I have no clue what prototype testing is done before the final barrel design is committed to a manufacture order.

Always better to do things right... rather than Right Now!
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

CavScout

#24
August-12-15 19:08
OK... Here's a rendition of the 2 1/2" barrel Sidewinder with an underlug proportionately shorter than the one used on the 4" barrel.
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

grayelky

#25
August-12-15 20:08
Quote from: CavScout on August-12-15 17:08
I wouldn't give up hope!

Look at the evolution of the Earl...

4" Earl
3" Earl
6" Hogleg
4" Cap-n-Ball
2 1/2" Sheriff

And look at all the other various renditions that have spawned from the basic NAA Magnum Frame!

The Sidewinder only has one offspring so far... and a second one on the drawing board.

I believe the swing-out cylinder/recoil shield magnum frame will the platform for many siblings and cousins before the next major frame design takes over.

I know of at least one senior forum member that would have a moment of elation if NAA announced a new frame for .32 ACP was due out in the year!  ;D
Please be careful with this type of post. Certain members are advanced in age, and their heart may not be as strong as it was 30 or so years ago........ :)
Guns are a lot like parachutes:

"If you need one and don't have one, you'll probably never need one again"

CavScout

#26
August-13-15 02:08
Quote from: grayelky on August-12-15 20:08
Please be careful with this type of post. Certain members are advanced in age, and their heart may not be as strong as it was 30 or so years ago........ :)

I keep hearing aerobic heart rate is supposed to be good for us?  ::)

I'll be 67 in November... Is it nap time yet?  :-[
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

CavScout

#27
August-13-15 02:08
Now for a trip down memory lane...

Here are the teasers we were shown while waiting for the first Sidewinder!
Notice any differences from the final design we received as Earlybirds?
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

Uncle_Lee

#28
August-13-15 04:08
I give up.
I sat here and rolled an Earlybird all around and could see no difference.... ???

Oh YES, I would get a very fast heart rate if they announced a new .32 acp mini to be out this year....
BUT,,,,,,, They (my pair) wouldn't be in my hand for 2 or 3 years if NAA moved at the speed they do on the other models............. 8)
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LET'S GO BRANDON ( he is gone to the beach )

ajr

#29
August-13-15 06:08
CavScout, that last rendition is the best.

Andy

JRobyn

#30
August-13-15 08:08 Last Edit: August-13-15 08:08 by JRobyn
Yes, the version in #24 is what I like best.  With MM/BW grips it will look PERFECTLY proportioned.  Could you please photoshop up a version like that?  Or with the oversized rosewood?  Please?  Might have to sell my original Sidewinder and get that one if actual production looks like that!

BTW, my actual production original has the little short lug like in the teaser pics, NOT like your earlybird.

- Jay

Uncle_Lee

#31
August-13-15 09:08
My Earlybirds (163 & 164) and my "production" one (3730) all have short lugs.
God, Country, & Flag

LET'S GO BRANDON ( he is gone to the beach )

CavScout

#32
August-13-15 11:08 Last Edit: August-13-15 11:08 by CavScout
Quote from: uncle_lee on August-13-15 04:08
I give up.
I sat here and rolled an Earlybird all around and could see no difference.... ???

Just to clarify...

The cartoon looking drawing (CAD Render) was published before the Earlybirds, and represents what we actually received... Mine is EB014.  :)

The pre-production prototype on the blue background, #SW003... has a longer barrel and underlug

The underlug contains a spring loaded ball-end plunger.

The cylinder pin grip has a "stacked bead" turned profile, rather than knurling, and has a dimpled end to engage the ball-end plunger.

The aft end of the cylinder pin grip does have the same taper to engage the frame lug, forward of the crane.

The prototype's longer barrel underlug extends to the muzzle... so my "NAA Mi-Py" concept would be consistent with at least one in-house design!  ;D
"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

CavScout

#33
August-13-15 12:08
Quote from: JRobyn on August-13-15 08:08
Yes, the version in #24 is what I like best.  With MM/BW grips it will look PERFECTLY proportioned.  Could you please photoshop up a version like that?  Or with the oversized rosewood?  Please?  Might have to sell my original Sidewinder and get that one if actual production looks like that!
- Jay

Done!

"It is a lesson of history that it is ethically, morally, and philosophically impossible to have too many personal weapons, whether they be edged, impact or projectile."
- David W. Loeffler

OV-1D

#34
August-13-15 13:08
Quote from: CavScout on August-13-15 11:08
Quote from: uncle_lee on August-13-15 04:08
I give up.
I sat here and rolled an Earlybird all around and could see no difference.... ???

Just to clarify...

The cartoon looking drawing (CAD Render) was published before the Earlybirds, and represents what we actually received... Mine is EB014.  :)

The pre-production prototype on the blue background, #SW003... has a longer barrel and underlug

The underlug contains a spring loaded ball-end plunger.

The cylinder pin grip has a "stacked bead" turned profile, rather than knurling, and has a dimpled end to engage the ball-end plunger.

The aft end of the cylinder pin grip does have the same taper to engage the frame lug, forward of the crane.

The prototype's longer barrel underlug extends to the muzzle... so my "NAA Mi-Py" concept would be consistent with at least one in-house design!  ;D



  Why in the LORD's name would they change that beautiful prototype design of the plunger and end up with this thing that stabs you when you need to extract spent shells . Pretty stupid change for the worst . So many things with this sidewinder that it even seems to be unfinished with the design just the shells being interfered with the grips is just one example , whats up with that . They should clear going in and out for beginners . I'm really NOT any fan of this new model at all and probably won't even buy one for my collection , only unless I buy one to modify it to show just how the gun should have been produced , very simple mods would make it gun to really own and operate . :(
TO ARMS , TO ARMS the liberal socialists are coming . Load and prime your weapons . Don't shoot till you see their UN patches or the Obama bumper stickers , literally . And shoot any politician that says he wants to help you or us .
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