22 short revolver using 22LR ammo?

[deja_vu]

I read a post on another forum about how a guy was cutting the end of the lead off of a 22lr bullet to get it to fit in a 22 short cylinder. Could there be any pressure problems with doing this. 22LR is a lot cheaper and faster than 22 short ammo.  

   

   With a slightly less heavy bullet the 22LR may even go a little faster than a "normal" 22lr that has not been cut down.

[chopprs]

Welcome to the forum.

   This has been discussed here many times and any information that you take from here is at your own risk.

   The short model is simply a shortened Long Rifle model and thusly any pressures made by a long rifle cartrige would not have issue in the short cylinder. The problem being that the bullet itslef is too long so many have found that by trimming the bullet that severely higher velocities have been reached. I myself have used Remington yellow Jackets and simply cut them off at the base of the truncated part of the bullet. They fit perfectly and though I have not tested them myself I am witness to some very high velocity reports when said was practiced.

   Basically, if the cylinder turns freely when you cock the gun you are good to go..... but I never said that and I am in fact invisible and was never here.....

[deja_vu]

I didn't see a thing

   

   and thanks for the warm welcome.

[trotterlg]

The subsonic LR rounds that start out at 60gr bullets and are loaded in a 22 Short case work perfectly when they are cut down, it still leaves a bullet that is a little over 40gr.  I forgit the maker of these, someone will know.  I abandon the idea for carry in my short because I didn't want any lawyer magnet ammo in my gun.  Larry

[louiethelump]

Aguila SSS 60 grain

[grayelky]

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!

[deja_vu]

you think this practice would be bad if you had to defend your self? The NAA is not my primary carry that is a S&W J-frame in 357 magnum. This will be for times like when at the gym or walking on the beach in tiger striped man-thong showing off my hairy, pasty white body!

[trotterlg]

I think that any modified ammo is probably a bad idea when it comes to lawyers.  Larry

[westerly1965]

There is no 22 LR shell that will slide into my short.  I have not tried the aquila sss 60 grains bullets mentioned above.  But even if I take a fired 22 lr case it will not slide into my short.  Any ideas?

[deja_vu]

so what is the best 22short ammo out there?

[louiethelump]

I like Aguila high speed hollow points in 22 short.  Never had a problem with them.

[cedarview kid]

Welcome, Deja Vu. It seems like we've talked about this before. Hmm. Deva Vu.

   

   We coined the term ".22 Short Magnum" for these rounds (or was that just me?). I haven't done it yet myself, mostly because my two NAA .22 shorts are old and somewhat collectible now.

   

   Back in the 80's, I used to make rubber .22 Short Magnum bullets for my first revolver, which was a .22 short 7-shot revolver. I would pull the leads from the casing with a pair of pliers and drop a bead of hot glue from a glue gun down the casing. This method makes a good seal and a great rubber bullet for use in a .22 short revolver.

   

   The main reason I did this was to use my bulk .22LR ammo in my .22 short revolver. Much cheaper than the .22 shorts.

   

   However, I don't recommend at all that you do this. Not a good idea. (Blah blah, just trying to be legal here. LOL.)

   

   WELCOME!

[trotterlg]

Use what the factory uses to test them with, check the fired case that came with your gun.  Larry

[trotterlg]

Westerly1965:  Try sliding a loaded 22lr into the 22 short cylinder, it will go right in and stick out the front.  Larry

[westerly1965]

Larry ~ Tried that doesn't work...

[louiethelump]

you ARE putting them in small end first, right?  And, from the BACK of the cylinder, right?  (that is the end with the ratchet on it.)  

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   

   (Californians....wat yew gonna dew?)

[trotterlg]

A fired round will probably not go in easily, the diameter of the case and bullet of a 22 short and 22 long rifle are identical. Larry

[westerly1965]

Yes Louie I am putting them in the right way and small end first.  I'll shoot a picture of it later and post it for you guys so you can see what I am talking about.

[chopprs]

.....can't wait to see this!

[westerly1965]

I know I know I know that's what I said when I got it to.  I am on my way home now I'll shoot a pic and post it quick before I go to dinner.

[deja_vu]

you all have been very helpful! Thank you!

[westerly1965]

OK I took three pics of it with 2 22 LR rounds in the cylinder so you can see what I am talking about.  Yes I put them in the right way.  Yes they really are .22 LR the box is in the pic.  So this is with the cylinder right side up.

   

   

   You will see that they don't seat in all the way.  Not only is that as far as they will go but they don't even really want to go that far.  I know I know your saying duh dum dum they are hitting the counter they are sitting on so I flipped it over and it looks like this.

   

   

   They absolutely positively will not can not and are not going to go any further into that cylinder.  The last pic I took was on its side with rounds lying next to it and it looks like this.  

   

   

   Note that this gun fires shorts just fine.  I have only had it out once and I did have some slight jamming problems with all five loaded with shorts.  I was hoping a good cleaning would fix that.  Have done the cleaning but have not had a chance to get this little guy back to the range yet.  SO I know many of you are knowledgeable with guns (much more so than me in alot of cases) any ideas or input on this?  Should this gun go back to NAA?  Anybody from NAA have any input?  Let me know what you think.

[RogueTS1]

This topic has come up before but without the pictures. I am anxious to hear what is said about this dillema this go around..... very interesting.

[chopprs]

Did you try a different brand? My short fit and LR round I ever put in it and fired perfectly.

[westerly1965]

Chops yes I have tried several different brands of ammo and they all do this.

[chopprs]

...the gun is junk, I will take it off your hands.....

   

   You are doing something screwey Wes. The two cases have the same diameter.

   

   Do you have a vernier Caliper?

[louiethelump]

You have a tight chambered one Wes.  They go right into mine and poke out the front.  I have not used Winchester and they are supposedly oversize according to a poster on Ruger Forum who says they will not go into his single ten.  Several others said Winchester runs large on the bullet.

   

   Actually they SHOULD do what yours is doing.  Keep that one.  It is a gem!  Most of the 22 short chambers are almost straight through, and yours have a little choke to them.

   

   I would jokingly suggest a mallet, but with tonight's conversations, I am not comfy with you catching the intended humor of that.

[westerly1965]

Louie ~ that actually made me laugh out loud. No I will not use a mallet don't worry. Cci ammo does the same thing. I think I have some rem I haven't tried maybe I will try it and see what happens. But it does the same thing with subsonic aquillas. It's a weird duck that's for sure.

[trotterlg]

Not tight chambers, you have a hard powder ring in the front of each chamber, clean it out and the LR round will go all the way through, the 22 Shorts will shoot better also.  Larry

[westerly1965]

Larry~ I wish that were the case. I will scrub the crap out of it and repost pics but when I got this gun it had never been fired and the shells fit the same as they do now. As I said I will reclean and repost but I know it won't do any good. Wes

[Uncle_Lee]

It looks like the cylinder is chambered for shorts only.

   It looks like the cylinder is from an older model because I don't see any safety notches.

   The older model may not have the chambers bored straight through.  

   Check to see if there is a "ridge" in the chambers that the front of the brass is hitting.

[RogueTS1]

Ok not sure about this one but just to clarify: everytime this subject comes up the gunsmith types here talk about the chambers being "bored straight through."

   

   Bored straight through = perfect cylinder all the way through I suppose; am I correct? What is it if it is not "bored straight through" then? Tapered??? Please explain.

[trotterlg]

On a 22 Short Long or Long rifle teh brass is the same diameter as the bullet is so the brass cannot be hitting a ridge.  Larry

[westerly1965]

Ok tried Cci as well as some rem thunderbolt they all do the same the thing. If I flip the cylinder over the bullet will not go in at all. For what it's worth though neither will the shorts and I think that is normal. I think I can actually see a ridge in the middle of the cylinder though I can't get a picture to show it. Very interesting stuff that's for sure.

[westerly1965]

Oh another point that is of interest is that this is a very old NAA it is stamped newbury park California and was allegedly in the collection of a family member from the original family that owned NAA whomever that was.