Will you shoot out of your Break Top?!? :D

stungun · October-02-10 12:10

Or would that be redonkulous?

chopprs · October-02-10 12:10

I think having a gun that may be collectable because it is a rare antique may be a reason to not shoot it but I can not see any reason to at least run a few rounds through a brand new Break-Top. I would want to be sure it worked....right?

cedarview kid · October-02-10 14:10

Hmm. Interesting question. I buy guns to shoot. On the other hand, I have not shot half or more of my NAA's yet. Even so, I expect to shoot mine.

I guess I'm a bit of a collector, but I'm not a collector on purpose. I'm not sure I see the point of buying a firearm without plans of shooting it.

45flint · October-02-10 14:10

Jury is out whether it will even be collectable. Just seems like a good gun to shoot to me.

Steve

chopprs · October-02-10 14:10

......just a side note:

I am under the assumption that the whole idea of the Break-Top is easier/quicker loading. This would be most advantagious in a gun that is carried. Quicker loading is not going to do anyone any good hanging on the wall or locked in the safe. I think using the gun is the best idea at this point. Also by the time they are worth anything as collectors items I think a good lot of us will be very, very old since some of us already have , well one "very" anyway!

stungun · October-02-10 15:10

"Also by the time they are worth anything as collectors items I think a good lot of us will be very, very old since some of us already have"

It looks like you took a side note of your side note.

   Do you think that that the assumption that the Break-Top is easier/quicker loading will lead to more than 500 being made??



   And if only 500 were made in a year... and then production stopped for whatever reason... I'd think that the Break-Tops would be worth more, right?



   I just think that if the price could be brought down a tad more... this gun would sell like crazy with 22lr cylinders, but ya never know. I initially was attracted the the Minis because of their size & price... and I was just so "unfortunate" to have discovered top break guns on another site and to have fallen in love. I just hate having to pay more. I am as cheap as they come.

I'm assuming the magnum cylinder just slides right off the current BT?

grayelky · October-02-10 16:10

The only way to know if anything is collectible, is to wait and see. If you fire yours 5 times, and I fire mine 0 times, mine will be worth more, as it will be truly unfired.

I plan on checking it out, and see what I think about the way it handles and carries. Then I will decide if I shoot it. If it carries nicely in my pocket, it gets shot. If not, it gets a nice warm, comfy spot in the safe.

cedarview kid · October-02-10 16:10

It will be worth more if you find a buyer who will pay more because it's unfired. I would never pay more, myself. I would probably back off from purchasing it, for fear that I would be paying too much BECAUSE it was unfired--and that I would "ruin" it if I bought it and fired it.

The break-tops haven't even been released yet, so perhaps it's a bit premature to be talking about collectibility. I'm buying because I want it; I'll worry about collectibility later.

chopprs · October-02-10 16:10

"The only way to know if anything is collectible, is to wait and see. If you fire yours 5 times, and I fire mine 0 times, mine will be worth more, as it will be truly unfired."

Well, yeah but not exactly since they fire every gun at the factory before shipping.....

I do agree though, waiting to see about collectability. It really is the only way to find out. I also think that they will make more of them in regular production. The only inhibitor is the price. But quality costs money and I think the word is already out on NAAs quality.....just a guess though, I could also be completely wrong!

ace63 · October-02-10 16:10

Shoot

zippovarga · October-02-10 17:10

The way I view it is as a collector of a low numbered HAND MADE NAA Firearm in a limited amount of just 500 units. If the gun DOES go into normal production, the first 500 will still be HAND MADE. Then, if they DON'T go into production, you still have a HAND MADE NAA in a limited number. Either way, I'm not shooting it. Just like my 3 and 4 inch earls that carry the different prefix but same digital number. Not shooting them either. Are they all destined to be collectible after I'm gone? No clue. But to me, they are an investment that will at the very least, hold their value if unfired by me. However.....will it be tempting to take out and shoot? You Betcher sweet uh....what's socially acceptable here....derriere? Yeah, we'll go with that...lol.

backporch22 · October-02-10 18:10

My opinion is my Black Widow is hand made. A person not a machine put it together.

grayelky · October-02-10 23:10

Chopprs (and others)-

   To be totally correct, I should added "since leaving the factory" about my gun being unfired. To my knowledge, no firearm leaves any factory without being test fired.



   I agree about the quality of the NAA products. It is very high. That and their rep about correcting any problems that arise helped me to decide to buy a "prototype" semi production gun. As I have said before, if it is worth more, great. If it goes into production at a lower price, oh well. If it goes into production at a higher price, I made a good decision for a change.

Uncle_Lee · October-03-10 08:10

I will shoot them.

I agree on the being fired "since leaving the factory". Two of the NAA minis that my dealer has ordered for me came in looking like they had had at least a hundred rounds put through them with no cleaning at all. The barrels were caked with burned powder and all chambers and the front of the cylinders were black. If I had not been the one to open the package I might have thought the dealer had had some fun with them before calling me. But he never opens my "stuff". When it comes in, he calls me and I go to the shop and open it. I have had collectable things ruined by shop clerks playing with them. "Never been turned" means that there can not be a ring around the cylinder.

mayvik · October-03-10 12:10

Shoot. They're not zinc and polymer and not likely to wear out with a few rounds down the pipe. I've seen "used" minis that you couldn't tell were used after a good cleaning anyway. I figure the guys at the shop will probably have it out playing with it when it shows up anyway.

(Hopefully the box will still be sealed..or at least it won't be fired.)

Not to mention, where's the fun in letting it rot in the box on a shelf? If I wanted an investment, I woulda bought 500 bucks worth of gold/silver.

cedarview kid · October-03-10 13:10

Well said, Mayvik. ;)

lewiss · October-03-10 14:10

Of course I would shoot it.

I'd love to have a Queen of Hearts - I think it's one of the nicest looking NAA's in a long time. But if I buy one I would want to carry it, and I would be afraid the gold plating on the cylinder would wear off quickly. Otherwise I'd have one - something about a "theme" or "named" gun that harkens back to the Wild West days. "The ornery critter was a-lookin' for trouble, so I pulled out The Queen Of Hearts and trumped his dirk!"

cedarview kid · October-03-10 17:10

Yeah, I want the Queen of Hearts one as well. I'll probably get one some day. Saw one in person at a Salt Lake gun show last week for $350. I may have considered it if this weren't "break-top month." ROFL. It was nice, tho. I've been looking at them for awhile now, but never seen them in person before.

I also have The Snake Eyes edition, which is cool, too.

lewiss · October-03-10 21:10

The Snake eyes isn't bad, either. Glad to hear you have one in your collection - certainly a worthy addition. I want the break top so it will probably take precedence over the "pretty" guns.

Moderndayedison · October-04-10 00:10

I personally think it would be nice if they

   came out with a .22LR version of the Guardian.

   (with extra magazines that can be bought for it.)



   That would be quicker loading.

   Clip out...Clip in, Showtime.



   But...what do I know.

   --MDE



   .

stungun · October-04-10 06:10

Personally, loading time is irrelevant for me when it comes to a 5-shot mini-revolver.



   I just think the Break-Tops look cooler than all heck, and it doesn't hurt that the load time's a little faster to boot.



   I wish I could see a video of somebody unloading and loading the gun. I read on Wikipedia that some top breaks auto-eject the shells when it's open. I'm guessing the NAA isn't like this...

mayvik · October-04-10 08:10

"I read on Wikipedia that some top breaks auto-eject the shells when it's open. I'm guessing the NAA isn't like this..."

Sandy stated that it's not a "full" ejector. It'll pop the cases out a bit but not fling them across the room. I'm betting that selecting the right ammo ("glossier" case) and doing the opening maneuver properly (angle the cylinder down, and flick open quickly) will at the very least let the cases fall clear.

redhawk4 · October-04-10 11:10

Unless you're 5 years old, the chances of anything new becoming collectible and valuable enough in your life time to really worry about is fairly remote. I wouldn't want to sell it any way, so if it was worth a $1,000 or $2,000 in 15 years time, why would that matter?. The 1881 S&W 32 SA I bought recently isn't worth anything significant in today's money (although a lot more than it sold for new) and thats almost 140 years old, so I don't see an NAA breaktop being worth a lot of money ever.



   You also have to balance how much fun you've missed out on in the interim by not firing it, vs how much more it is worth unfired.



   For me I wouldn't buy one if I wasn't intending to fire it. Overall I see guns as a good thing to spend money on because they retain value compared to many things you buy that depreciate rapidly and so give you something for a rainy day, but everything I buy is because I want it, I don't intend to sell them unless circumstances force it.

red14 · October-04-10 12:10

Red's right!



   Very few items, bought as a collectable,

   actually become a collectable.



   I'm just sayin'!

cedarview kid · October-04-10 16:10

I think both you Reds know what you're talking about. It's like the Franklin Mint coins or the collectible plates--they sell them AS oollectibles, but that doesn't mean they raise in value AS collectibles.



   I think most "real collectibles" that increase considerably in value are those items that were never intended to BE collectibles.



   Even so, as my board name implies, I plan not collect as many NAA's as possible--not necessarily for their value AS collectibles, but simply 'cause I like 'em.

chopprs · October-04-10 17:10

OMG, I dated a girl in my 20s with those plates, Gina (big hooters!

) I actually let her move in.....what was I thinking?

Anyway she had over 7,000 of those plates. It filled a whole room, floor to cieling. She was a hotty but the plates had to go!.....sorry for the drift, Demerits applied!

coinchop · October-04-10 17:10

Red14

Don't know where you been, but glad to see you back...

redhawk4 · October-04-10 18:10

Anyone called Naa Collector would have to buy one - or forfeit his title

   Buy what you like and enjoy it, if it becomes collectible and valuable that can be a bonus or a curse depending on how you see it. If you sell it great, but if you are keeping to use, all of a sudden your fun is spoilt because now you are afraid to use it in case you lose it/break it/damage it etc. - so now it's no fun.



   If purely looking to make money there are much better ways than buying any of NAA's fine products and if you are not going to use what you buy, it doesn't really matter what you buy.

cedarview kid · October-04-10 18:10

The plates had to go? Why? Seems to me like they would make good targets. ;) I wonder if they would fit in my clay pigeon thrower?

I know what you mean, Redhawk. I am disappointed that some of the guns I see for sale that I would like to own, but they are 10 or 20 years old and have never been shot. So, first, they cost too much, and secondly, you can ever shoot them, or the first point would end up being wasted. Sounds like two negatives to me.

redhawk4 · October-04-10 19:10

+1 NAA

Will you shoot out of your Break Top?!? :D

ace63