naa revolver pocket carry

scbuxton · July-19-16 17:07

Quote from: Bigbird48 on July-19-16 16:07
your an NRA Instructor huh yea tell me another. I sure as heck don't want you instructing anywhere near me or my kids. The guy is wrong and your wrong for trying to defend it and if you can't see that then there's something wrong with your thinking.

You've gotta be a Hollywood Marine.
Once again, lighten up.

OV-1D · July-19-16 17:07

Hey Unc I detect some popcorn time going by .

scbuxton · July-19-16 18:07

Yeah, if bird doesn't like where Kevin's finger is, it's a good thing he can't see where mine is!

zburkett · July-19-16 19:07

If Kevin can't tell the difference between a very small single action revolver and a semi-auto with a hair trigger he should either never touch any gun or get an internet blog to teach people how to load a mini. In reality the rules are different on my gun range when it is just me and when I have guest. And, by the way, the only rule of gun safety is never point any gun at anything you are not ready to kill.

Uncle_Lee · July-19-16 21:07

No popcorn right now....
Might get bird droppings in it....
Bunch flying around right now.

Kentucky Kevin · July-20-16 06:07

Even my little boys know the Four:
Gun Always Loaded
Finger Never Until Sights
Always Know Backstop
Never Point Unless Destroy

Left Finger Tip would be in front of MUZZLE if extended

Thanks for your CONCERN though
Can you Laser engrave on guns??

heyjoe · July-20-16 11:07

Kevin has a good point, you cant extend your finger on these minis without putting it across the cylinder gap and the muzzle. you dont want to get into that habit.

zburkett · July-20-16 15:07

Kevin, where would my middle finger be if extended? BTW remember when the anti-gunners pushed for storing your ammo in a different room from your guns? An empty gun is just an inefficient club or in the case of a mini a hard to throw rock.

adp3 · July-20-16 17:07

Meanwhile, back to the original question...

I've carried NAA minis for 30 years, and in that time I had two occasions where the hammer moved out of the safety notch and rested on a live round. The first time I just attributed to a once in a million occurrence. The second time I realized that "notch carry" WITHOUT a holster that covered the hammer spur was going to lead to an accident. All it would take is a blow to the hammer and then Boom. For the last 20 years or so all of my mini holsters shield the hammer spur. In spite of daily carry and with rigorous movement I have never had the hammer move out of the safety notch again. Get a good holster that shields the hammer spur if you are going to pocket carry, and then you'll be safe with either safety notch carry or empty chamber carry. If you have an early mini without the recessed chambers you should only carry with the hammer at rest on an empty chamber until you return your gun to NAA for a cylinder refit.

Best Regards,
ADP3

RogueTS1 · July-20-16 19:07

It could be just for the photo.................. kind of a "dramatic effect" thing.

OV-1D · July-20-16 19:07

Quote from: zburkett on July-20-16 15:07
Kevin, where would my middle finger be if extended? BTW remember when the anti-gunners pushed for storing your ammo in a different room from your guns? An empty gun is just an inefficient club or in the case of a mini a hard to throw rock.

Kevin please let me answer that first question , AT THE GUY WHO CUT ME OFF IN THE THRUWAY .

Kentucky Kevin · July-21-16 08:07

Quote from: zburkett on July-20-16 15:07
Kevin, where would my middle finger be if extended?

Whichever one of your orifices you want to use

Kentucky Kevin · July-21-16 08:07

Quote from: heyjoe on July-20-16 11:07
Kevin has a good point, you cant extend your finger on these minis without putting it across the cylinder gap and the muzzle. you dont want to get into that habit.

Trust me, you'll only do that once

Bigbird48 · July-22-16 05:07

I don't Laser engrave others guns

Quote from: Kentucky Kevin on July-20-16 06:07
Even my little boys know the Four:
Gun Always Loaded
Finger Never Until Sights
Always Know Backstop
Never Point Unless Destroy

Left Finger Tip would be in front of MUZZLE if extended

Thanks for your CONCERN though
Can you Laser engrave on guns??No

boone123 · July-23-16 08:07

What fun is fondling a gun if you can't touch the trigger? To know when its safe and when its not, when you do it. Gun handling is not a black and white thing.
I am reminded of the little boy warned by his mother not to touch himself. That sure didn't work out. There's some what, and when, in handling guns, and in life.

Bottom line, always be aware of where your gun is pointed.

OLD and GRUMPY · July-23-16 09:07

Boone---When I was 3 my granny told me that if I touched the trigger it would fall off. She was wrong.

MtGoat · July-23-16 15:07

Quote from: adp3 on July-20-16 17:07
Meanwhile, back to the original question...
I've carried NAA minis for 30 years, and in that time I had two occasions where the hammer moved out of the safety notch and rested on a live round. The first time I just attributed to a once in a million occurrence. The second time I realized that "notch carry" WITHOUT a holster that covered the hammer spur was going to lead to an accident. All it would take is a blow to the hammer and then Boom. For the last 20 years or so all of my mini holsters shield the hammer spur. In spite of daily carry and with rigorous movement I have never had the hammer move out of the safety notch again. Get a good holster that shields the hammer spur if you are going to pocket carry, and then you'll be safe with either safety notch carry or empty chamber carry. If you have an early mini without the recessed chambers you should only carry with the hammer at rest on an empty chamber until you return your gun to NAA for a cylinder refit.

Best Regards,
ADP3

Has anyone heard if NAA works on the old Freedom Arms Patriot Minis?
It would be nice to buy a new cylinder 22LR and get it fit to the Patriot with the safety notches.

Pat

boone123 · July-23-16 21:07

O+G
Grannys today know more about triggers than they did back in the day...
I don't dry fire much, but I have been known to pull on the trigger of a mini that's unloaded and uncocked, while aiming and holding the gun steady. Builds up my trigger finger, and besides that where else on a mini would I put my trigger finger?

shwurr · September-10-16 18:09

The safety notch is kinda safe, esp if carried in a holster. However, if thrown in a front pocket ...I also experienced twice that the hammer ended up over a live round. If you experiment, you will see that it takes light pressure and little travel of the hammer to release the cylinder when in the "safety notch" position. Crouching in jeans apparently does it easily. When carried with the hammer over an empty chamber, the cylinder is latched and it is indeed much safer for naked pocket carry. Just my $.02. I throw it in my pocket all the time so ALWAYS load 4 shots.

zburkett · September-10-16 19:09

I know I'm a broken record; but, the folding holster grip solves all that. I clip it into my pocket and have a friend who took the clip off. With the grip folded you can't get to the trigger anyway.

pietro · September-13-16 08:09

Quote from: Kentucky Kevin on July-06-16 06:07
I have had my NAA "cock itself" twice in my pocket, years ago( lot of shtuff (@ #10)in my pockets & person & I've added a reload for my Glock 26.
I carried w/ holster grips for SEVERAL years w/ no problems only spotted a few times

As Bigbird48 alluded to, you violated the #1 rule of pocket carry: ONLY the weapon should be in the designated pocket - which means also cleaning out any lint or other detritus.

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Canoeal · September-13-16 09:09

Yes the Naa guns are a very safe carry, about as safe as you can get. As an added precaution and to "hide" the gun I carry mine in a Sticky holster designed for the Black Widow that covers the trigger and the hammer. Problem solved!

CavScout · September-25-16 00:09

Coming to this thread late...

Fundamental firearm function: If a cartridge is contained in a close fitting chamber, aligned with the barrel bore... all it needs is powder ignition for the projectile to exit the bore with lethal force.

The multiple mechanical functions necessary for a firing pin strike with enough force to ignite the primer will depend on the design of the firearm.

In the Army, we were told that the .45 sidearm (1911A1) had 5 mechanical safeties preventing accidental discharge...
1) Thumb Safety
2) Grip Safety
3) Hammer (cock)
4) Disconnector (prevents firing if muzzle is depressed)
5) Trigger

In the mid 70's Garrison MP duty, we had to carry Condition 3. We were issued two 5 rd magazines, one in the mag well, and one in the pouch... Except when around large groups (like a mess hall)... then both mags in the pouch.
Not a good recipe for adrenaline filled young MP's that only range qualify one day a year... and only handle their firearm daily to cycle and clear at the Arms Room sand barrel!

Technically, the 1911 is supposed to be safe to carry in Condition 0... needing only the Grip Safety and Trigger engaged to fire!

http://www.sightm1911.com/Care/1911_conditions.htm

I went through all that to get the point across that safe pocket carry depends on much more than how many chambers have cartridges.

I agree that nothing else should share the same pocket space... even pocket change could possibly work its way into a pocket holster, and interfere with a clean draw (Murphy's Rule)!

Practice!... Practice!... Practice! Drawing from a holster. in any location, should be an instinctive action. Adrenaline interferes with logical thinking (Buck Fever).

Never dry fire on an empty chamber rimfire firearm. Firing pin over-travel will peen the inner edge of the chamber, and interfere with cartridge loading/extraction. Always use snap caps or empty cases (Color them with Magic Marker for visual identification).
Or get some of these:
https://www.amazon.com/Hillman-Group-370326-Plastic-100-Pack/dp/B000H5WVCS/ref=sr_1_6

GunsNTrucks · September-29-16 19:09

It depends how much you value your junk.

I actually worry as much about a negligent discharge giving away the fact that I have a firearm (perhaps when I shouldn't) as causing harm. After all, if it happens in public, even if one is fortunate enough not to cause harm to oneself or someone else, it is still going to be an unpleasant situation.

I've always carried revolvers and always with the hammer down on an empty chamber. That's about as safe as I think it gets with any loaded firearm.

With the NAA they're tiny and light so I carry 2 for the New York reload if necessary. That is still 8 shots with one empty in each. And hey, if you only own 1, it's a great excuse to buy another!

ilex · September-30-16 19:09

I guess I'm really not sure what the difference is between carrying an NAA with the hammer in the safety notch, versus having it on an open chamber. If you have it in your pocket and it's on an open chamber, won't the act of the hammer being accidentally pulled back turn the cylinder onto a loaded chamber? It seems that either way you carry it, it could still discharge if the hammer is pulled back accidentally. I have all 5 chambers loaded and have it on the safety notch while always in a pocket holster that protects both the hammer and trigger. Am I missing something here?

GunsNTrucks · September-30-16 19:09

You aren't missing anything. Some folks trust the safety notches, others don't. Whether you do or not is up to you to decide. The cylinder has been known to move onto a chamber.

The hammer getting cocked accidentally will advance the cylinder to a loaded chamber (unless you really want to be safe and leave 2 empty but then you won't have a gun that's ready to fire when cocked when you need it-never heard of anyone doing that)
That will always be an issue but a proper holster should prevent it. The concern is with the hammer over a loaded chamber something striking the hammer or being dropped etc could set off the live round. Some revolvers have safety mechanisms like transfer bars and hammer blocks to prevent that from happening, the NAA minis have the notches. Personally I don't trust anything but an empty chamber but that is just me.

BTW, I actually leave the hammer over a fired round and not an empty chamber in case I were to accidentally attempt to fire that chamber so it wouldn't be dry firing it.

Uncle_Lee · October-01-16 03:10

With the hammer down on an empty chamber the cylinder bolt locks the cylinder solidly in place.
That makes two safeties.

It ends up at:
You do your thing and the next guy will do his.

Bigbird48 · October-01-16 12:10

Personally I like to have all the ammo I can get in the gun ready to go. So I carry 5 live rounds and use the safety notch. I carry in a holster in an empty pocket.
I truly believe if NAA didn't think this was a safe way to carry then they would have designed the gun with a different type of safety

zburkett · October-01-16 12:10

I remember the story of the Texas Ranger when asked if carrying his .45 cocked & locked was dangerous answered "you bet ua." I'll take the "chance" with the safety notch for the extra round. News flash, guns are dangerous. Be careful with them.

GunsNTrucks · October-01-16 14:10

I get it but if the idea of me carrying a firearm is to prevent being harmed, it would be silly and ironic to shoot myself with it, especially if it can be prevented. I'll give up the extra round for the extra safety. One thing I won't give up is the ability to draw and fire, such as when using a floppy wobbler or having to rack the slide on a semi auto. FWIW I don't think 4 rounds is good enough anymore (for years I carried a 2 shot derringer) which is why I now carry 2 NAA's. If I was only going to carry 1 firearm it would probably be some other revolver, but no matter what the capacity was it would be -1 for me.

ilex · October-03-16 20:10

Since it was passed by the anti-gun safety nazis here in California, then that's good enough for me. But, I would never carry it without a proper pocket holster.

zburkett · October-04-16 04:10

ilex, I know I'm a stuck record, but the folding holster grip and the hammer in the safety notch is about as safe as you can get. The grip covers the trigger until you flip it open. I use the clip, some of my friends take the clip off and use pocket carry. Either works.

ilex · October-04-16 15:10

LOL!! zburkett....I have a folding grip also. And I like it.

Yes I do think it's a safe way to carry. My issue is with putting an NAA in your pocket with no protection at all.

zburkett · October-05-16 06:10

The only thing against the floppy wobbler is, it is ugly with a capitol UG.

BMS52 · October-17-16 03:10

I''m a new NAA owner and only have a Guardian .32. I had a Mini years ago but gave it to by brother when he retired.

If I remember correctly the safety notch is not just a set of reference points on the cylinder that the hammer hovers above. The hammer actually rests in the safety notch. And if so doesn't that provide an additional mechanical block to keep the cylinder from rotating, along with the internal mechanism? I haven't had one in my hand in several years so I'm not sure I'm remembering everything correctly.

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