NAA .22 Short

[jtartam]

I am looking to purchase a Mini in .22 Short.

   I can not locate one locally, I would like to purchase it Face to Face, I live in Farmingville,

   Long Island, New York

[chopprs]

Gunbroker.com will have many to choose from and you can pay your local FFl dealer a few bucks to transfer it to you. Is Long Island considered part of NYC as far as Permits are concerned?

[jtartam]

We are not part of New York City and the local FFL dealers want between $75.00 and $100.00 for the transaction.

[chopprs]

OUCH!!!!!!

    That is worse than Kalifornistan.  

   

   You may want to look for and contact a dealer outside of the city and spend a little time in your car to go and get one. My dealer charges $15. Is there a route that you can take that does not go through the city? I am pretty sure you can not transport one through there.

[jtartam]

There are plenty gun dealers on Long Island I just have to make a few phone calls, so far no luck.

[chopprs]

That price is outrageous. I have never heard of it being that high. It is a two minute process for them to fill out a form. That is gouging and not a good way to keep customers. Keep looking. there has to be at least one honest businessman on the island.......

[heyjoe]

jtartam i got mine by calling around and t&t in seaford just happened to have one. that small gunstore on the south side of sunrise highway in bohemia is willing to order NAA's. that is how i got my 1 1/8 magnum conversion.

[jtartam]

Thanks, the place is called Guns & Ammo I bought my Guardian from them.

[theysayimnotme]

That is NOT worse than Kalifornia. $75 is the cheapest I found when I wanted to buy the Earl.

   If I had found that one in time I would have gotten it. They all take the attitude that you are takeing the bread from their children's mouths if you buy from someone else.

   Turner's Outdoorsman wanted $125.00. That's in addition to the state fees.

[jtartam]

Some FFL dealers will do the transfer on used handguns not new. Others who have a cost of $50.00 will not do handguns, long guns only.

   John

[chopprs]

Theysayimnotme.....do you get a kiss with that?

[theysayimnotme]

You have to be face to face to get a kiss. They do have to hold the gun for the 10day waiting period before you can pick it up. That means you have to go in to start the paperwork & then go back 10 days later to pick it up.

   A consignment purchase can be even worse. They have to have held the gun 30 days before they can start the paperwork.

   I have passed on two guns I wanted rather badly.  

   I would have had to drive over 100 miles each way three seperate times to get the guns.

   You would think Turner's could at least transfer the guns to a closer store after you have paid for them but they won't even do that.

[chopprs]

I would rather drive the 100 miles than deal with a thief and a dikhed!

[theysayimnotme]

That was a total of over six hundred miles for each gun & the guns I wanted to buy were at their store so I had to deal with them.

   The one I really wanted was a Johnson Rifle.  

   The other was a Ruger Blackhawk .44 mag. The price was great but all that driving even on my motorcycle made it a bad deal.

[grayelky]

They have to hold it for 10 days, huh? I'm guessing some politician thinks it is for the good of the community. If they were really interested in the good of the community, they'd put a 10 day waiting period on alcoholic beverages.

[theysayimnotme]

You also have to pay a $25 DROS fee. (Dealer's Record of Sale)

   Then for a handgun you need to take the Handgun Safety Test (I think it's once every five years) & that's another $25.

   The test is several T F & multiple guess questions.

   i.e. The proper way to determine if a gun is unloaded is to look down the barrel & pull the trigger. T F  

   They used to have a much more reasonable requirement. To get a hunting license you need to take a hunter safety course. The hunting license or a DD 214 was enough. That made a good deal more sense than this inane test.

[jtartam]

In New York there is no waiting period. Once you get your pistol license all you have to do is get a purchase order from headquarters, go and buy the gun.

[chopprs]

Yes, when I buy a gun they fax the sales reciept to the Town Hall and I just have to go down and pay $3 to get it added to my permit and then go back and pick up the gun. Not really a big deal and it does make sense.

   My permit is good for life and there are no periodical tests.

[jtartam]

Same here, after I purchase the gun I have 20 days to register it at Police Headquarters and have it recorded on my license...total cost for the transaction...$5.00

[sirbarkalot]

Jtartam:

   

   Please re-read your post!!!!

   

   1:  There is no waiting period

   

   BUT!!  you have to get a pistol license...... How long does that take???

   

   THEN!! "all" you have to do is get a PURCHASE ORDER from headquarters!!!!!!!?  how long does THAT take??  Can they turn you down?  Who decides to give you a purchase order???  You have to ask PERMISSION to buy a gun???

   

   

   And you say you have no waiting period???

   

   

   Please estimate for those of us in other states how long from the time you are sitting in your living room and decide to buy a gun, until you have it in your hand............?

   

   say............. on a Saturday afternoon at 2:00 PM??

   

   Here in a "waiting period" state,,,,,,,,,, with nothing but a driver license, you will have it in hand on Thursday.  

   

   If you have a concealed weapon permit (which has no restrictions on it and no guns listed and you can carry anything you want, since it is the PERSON that is licensed for concealed carry on the person, NOT the GUN) you will have that gun you thought about on Saturday at 2:00 PM, in your hand within 15 minutes of hitting the door of your local gun seller.

   

   As they say in composition class:  "Please compare and contrast" this issue.  I really am curious, and thank you.

   

   Barky

[sirbarkalot]

YOU HAVE TO REGISTER YOUR GUN?

   

   UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!

[chopprs]

.....well, if I want it on my permit to LEGALLY carry, anyway!

   

[sirbarkalot]

Here in AMERICA, there is no gun registration

[tocsn40]

in OREGON you can carry any weapon that you wish with your  concealed weapon permit I like that. In the old days you could only carry one the one you took with you to class the day you got your permit .  Now in Oregon you take a 4 hr class and they don't even have to shoot any thing to pass. when I took my permit class you had to shot 50 rounds through your gun at a range in frount othe the instruter to show that you could be safe with a gun and that you did not shot the guy next to you ha ha

[rhett]

"Sirbarkalot says: Here in AMERICA, there is no gun registration"

   

   

   Lets think it over, any new US made or imported gun has a serial number that is REGISTERED with the BATF. An individual background check is now done for each REGISTERED serial number and recorded. So for every legal transaction, the new owner is actually REGISTERED with the BATF for each firearm serial number until a legal transfer is performed when resold, traded or gifted.

   

   The Gray area within the law does not require individuals to perform the FFL transfer when reselling, trading or gifting. It does behoove the REGISTERED owner to do a transfer though, liability issues.

   

   example: A Machine gun, aka NFA weapon (National Firearms Act) or class 3 weapon, manufactured and REGISTERED with the BATF before May 19, 1986 may be legally owned with the $200 tax and paper work.

   

   

[heyjoe]

Barky on a Saturday afternoon the only thing you could do is purchase the firearm and it would stay in the store until you get a purchase permit since that county office is not open on saturday or sunday. Any other day of the week if you already have a concealed carry pistol permit it could all be done in one day, unless the store you are buying it from is far away from the county you live in. The purchase permit is just a gimmick to get more money out of you. Its $5. its a formality, if you have a ccw you will not turned down.  Not nearly as good a system as florida has in that respect or in the registration. Also the process differs from county to county here. But most are similiar.

   

   Two areas where the situation is actually better here than most states is as chopprs says with lifetime permits and much less restriction where you can carry concealed than most states including florida.

[chopprs]

When I lived in Florida the first pistol that I bought I had to wait a day or three, I can't remember exactly but after I owned one I just walked in the store and paid and walked out with the gun. I am not sure if it is the same there now. My Florida CCW did not have any guns associated with it, just my name and addres.

[coopercdrkey]

A Florida CCW trumps the three day waiting period.  I'm unsure if the FFL still has to call a background check into FDLE.  Barky, do you know?

   

   Also, I found that if you're trading in an existing gun, the three day waiting period does not apply, assuming the piece you're buying is in stock.

   

   You sign for your purchase, which is identified by serial number, but that's it.  If you sell the gun, no transfer paperwork is required for a FTF in-State sale.

[sirbarkalot]

Rhett:

   

   "An individual background check is now done for each REGISTERED serial number and recorded."

   

   This is not accurate or correct.  The background check IS NOT by gun ser number, and in fact the ser number is not even given in the process of the background check.  (I just returned from my dealer where I just picked up a Ruger Single Six so it is still very fresh)  The FDLE operator that does the background check provides a number that is written on the ATF 4473 form.  THIS FORM DOES NOT GO ANYWHERE AND STAYS WITH THE DEALER.

   

   The ATF does not have a registry of who now owns the guns.  To do so is a violation of US law.

   

   In YOUR state, as mentioned above there MAY be a gun registration requirement that is a STATE requirement and they may be doing what you say.  If your STATE has a registration then that may be the case.  In Florida where there is no gun registration, the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) that does the background DOES NOT even ask the ser number.  They only ask if it is a handgun or a long gun, as there is no waiting period in Florida at all for long guns.  FDLE is required BY LAW to delete the names they do background checks on within 30 days.

   

   Now you can go into conspiracy theories about what you think they MAY be doing illegally, but that is another subject.

   

   There is no way that any agency (At this time; as this is just one of the things that our Dear Leader is trying to change) can track YOU to see how many guns YOU have.  Now, if they have a gun, as in cases where they are left at the scene of a crime, they can go to ATF records starting with the manufacturer, and there will be records at the manuf. as to what distributor they sold the gun to; go there and get the dealer; go there and find out who the dealer sold it to, and then try to find that person to see if he still has it or where it went, IF they can find that person.  (people move....)  In many cases, that person has sold the gun to someone else and may not know who it was.  The chain breaks at that point.

   

   I owned a S&W 9mm pistol back in the late 80's that just such a trace was run on as it turned up somewhere used in a crime 12 or 13 years after I sold it.  As it turned out, I traded it in at the gun shop where I worked at the time, so the record picked back up and I don't know whatever happened in that case, but that is how they trace a GUN.  A person cannot be entered (for now anyway) into a computer and tell how many and what guns they have; at least in this state.

   

   Barky

   

   PS: You are right about NFA weapons that are another kettle of fish and ARE registered on the FEDERAL level.  I was not talking about licensed machine guns.  I don't buy them or own them, as the ownership of one (from my understanding) opens your home to search without probable cause or warrant as you have to give consent for this to get the NFA registered; not to mention the cost.  Read the fine print.

[sirbarkalot]

Coopercdrkey:

   

   Yes, a backgroud check is still required even with the CCW permit, for reasons stated above.  They don't know the last time you bought a gun if more than 30 days as the record has been deleted.  So, they run it again.  You COULD have been involved in something since the CCW permit was issued and could even have a warrant outstanding.  The CCW does do away with the waiting period.

   

   And by the way, police officers are still required to have the background done and have a waiting period too to buy a personal weapon.  I got my CCW permit when I was still a full time officer just so I would not have to fool with waiting periods, that even apply at gun shows.

   

   Barky

[westerly1965]

Cali is a ten day wait on hand guns.  But whoever said they were getting charged hundreds of dollars is dealing with a crooked dealer and should turn them in.  Private transfers take 15-20 minutes and cost around 60 bucks total with the transfer fees and state fees.  The State law here limits what the dealer can charge to do a private party transfer and it also says that they cannot turn you down on one.  They do however have to do more paperwork if you transfer more then one handgun at a time.  So they can and some do refuse to do more then one pistol at once.  Though I have a guy here locally that will do as many as you want to bring in.  If your really being overcharged like that (whoever said that I don't remember) you should call the state and turn in that dealer they are breaking the law..

[jtartam]

I didn't think this post would cause quite a stir...

   I am looking to purchase a Mini in .22 Short.  

   I can not locate one locally, I would like to purchase it Face to Face, I live in Farmingville,  

   Long Island, New York

   Just looking to add it to my collection...

[heyjoe]

jtartam that is par for the course here. did you try posting an ad here http://www.longislandfirearms.com/">http://www.longislandfirearms.com/

[grayelky]

As far as Barky went, he is on the same sheet of music as the ATF and I. There is one other thing most are not aware of:

   IF you acquire two or more pistols and/or revolvers at one time or within 5 consecutive business days, the dealer is required to submit a multiple handgun purchase form by FAX (preferred method) or mail to the ATF. This forms contains basic name, etc, and the form of ID you used, i.e. driver's Lic, and number, as well as the make, model serial number, caliber and pistol or revolver, and it is to be faxed or mailed at the close of the business day. You can buy 87 rifles and 40 shotguns, and they don't seem to care. Buy 2 NAA Mini revolvers, and the ATF wants to know about it.

[theysayimnotme]

Private party transfers & purchases from out of state are two totally different things.

   The prices I noted are for out of state purchases.

   The paticular one I noted was for the purchase of the Earl.

   I don't recall how much we paid but I did a swap  

   once where I traded a Ruger #1 rifle for a Ruger

   Redhawk in .454 Casull. We both had to pay & had both guns held for ten days. The fee we paid was the state minimum. The dealers have no problem with private party sales. They do get upset when you are buying a gun from another dealer and or out of state.