I use the same primer tool just shortened the spout to fill mag chamber

Yes, I had to shorten the nozzle to throw the correct amount of Black powder.  I was thankful that I was not hurt or anyone with me (my Dad).  When you do get your pistol there are some things you need to do.  Don't put more powder than fills the chamber up to the shelve in the chamber. If you do, you won't be able to seat the bullet and it will get stuck on the forcing cone area.  The issue is not the gun blowing up, that won't happen.  But you can stop the cylinder from freely turning.  Always use Remington #11 caps as anything else will interfere with the cylinder rotating.  These guns are some of my favorites.  In Texas, cap and ball replicas are NOT firearms and hence NOT a handgun.  I don't worry too much about any of that as I got my carry permit. But I always feel more free when carrying black powder replicas as there are no laws weighing you down. 

I agree with Uncle Lee.  I had to shorten my nozzle for the correct amount for the Super Companion.  I bought one of the very first issue Super Companions one of around 77 or 79 made.  It had real pearl grips, black finish on top, bottom, cylinder flutes.  I shot it extensively and even delved into smokeless.  The problem with smokeless is the cylinder pin will actually bend at the back area where it goes into the frame.  Additionally, I finally had a catastrophic failure when one smokeless load did not ignite, leaving the bullet in the barrel.  I did not notice and when the next round went off, it blew the bottom of the barrel open where the cylinder pin locks into barrel, and sheered off the front of the cylinder pin. I DID notice when that round went off due to large report. I sent it back to NAA and Wayne did an outstanding job fixing it for me.  He high polished the revolver, put a new barrel ( I did pay for the barrel of course), and even put new black simulated pearl grips, and re shaped my front sight to hit point of aim. WHAT SERVICE!!!  i still am  impressed years later.  Needless to say, even though there are some reports of using smokeless, I suggest you don't.  If you want velocity 777 works pretty good.  If you want fun shooting just use FFFF.  I've got pounds of it.  It will outlast me, my kids, and grandkids. These are fun guns.  That's what I call them.  I do have an LR version also.  You can keep these loaded for extended periods of time without any failure to fire. They are very reliable too as far as ignition. Good luck with your new gun and enjoy! 

I did the exact same for my Super Companion years back because I would carry the Companion and would take it to the ranch to shoot.  I also used a small silver perfume flask I bought for my mother when I was young. I'd fill it with 4f and it would load quite a few rounds.  I have never seen how many shots you can get from the primer flask but it's a lot.  I had to grind off some of the nozzle end to throw the correct amount of powder.

Glad to hear of your Ranger II.  I was looking for either a Ranger or Sidewinder at my local gun shop.  They had the PUG and I needed a truly concealable pocket pistol.  I had given away my Blackwidow to my grandson.  So, I bought the PUG.  Anyway, I'm like you.  I enjoy shooting NAA mini revolvers more than my other guns as they are inexpensive.  Also, they make you take your time while shooting.  They are pretty accurate as far as a short barreled gun can be.  Probably the most important aspect of NAA revolvers is the gun is with you all the time.  If you make a trip to the ranch without preparation, the gun's in your pocket and you are going to plink with it.  I like shooting cactus pears off the cactus when we don't harvest them to eat.  Cactus leaves also make great impromptu targets.  Good shooting to all!

I have not posted for some time, but have always been an NAA fan since 1991.  I just got a PUG after all these years.  I have had NAA short, LR, Mag conversion, Blackwidows, black powders, and now a PUG.  I find the PUG to have deeper riflings than most NAAs I've owned, agree that the crowning is great, believe the sights can be really well used for plinking, and now carry my PUG everyday.  My PUG was windage perfect.  You take 1/2 moon sight on the front ball and you are dead on at about 15 yards.  I have always liked shooting my NAAs at distance.  I think I may have joined in a post about this years ago.  I was using my Blackwidow at that time. I have since given my Blackwidow to my grandson.  He loves it.  Nice to post again here after being away so long.  I actually remembered by user name and password. 

The older ones did have a raised rear portion that formed a site.

Costco 5 pocket jeans. Deep pockets, deep enough to carry a S&W model 66. My BW conversion is always with me and unnoticeable.

They are nice. Styled after the old '78 double action army grips.

The intent that was stated in the initial post is the lawful amount of force legally that can be used in a self defense situation. If an aggressor has been stopped in one round, for instance, is not lawful to continue firing until your weapon is empty. All of the statements made were referencing what a clever prosecutor might try.

Great discussion. I personally think a .22 either LR or Mag are great all purpose rounds.  I generally carry my BW with a mag cylinder. I keep the LR cylinder with me to practice with.  I've carried other guns, but seem to always come back to NAA products for portability, concealment, reliability, and effectiveness. I don't work for NAA and am not a paid advertiser.

I know this might stir the pot some and make things interesting around here for a while.  Many ask if a .22 LR or Mag is a good self defense round.  A shooting buddy and I have discussed the legal issues involved in a valid self-defense situation.  You get all kinds of comments about bullet types, flesh damage, etc.  You may want to be careful commenting on such issues.  Theysayimnotme on the thread "effective range of a .22 for self defense" thread spoke of being a juror on a murder trial and the plentiful talk by the prosecution of the type of bullet utilized by the defendant.  I believe that there may come the time when a prosecutor in an otherwise totally justified self defense scenario may be able to raise issues of "intent" of the defendant in a criminal trial where self-defense is raised.  What is the intent of a person that carries a round that is "guaranteed to incapacitate or cause maximum tissue damage"? Comments were also made on that same thread where some people think you "are not a real man" if you don't carry a .44 or better gun loaded with the maximum round.  Lord willing I will NEVER have to use a weapon to defend my life or an innocent third party. But if it ever did happen my intent would be to stop the aggression with the least amount of force used to do that.  A .22 is generally what I carry as that is my preference.  It is a reliable round as proved by the length of time in continuous use.  Another thing that all persons on the internet should be careful about are statements made on the internet.  They never go away, and you can bet that a prosecutor may want to check all past statements made by an individual on the internet to "see" into the person's mind-set.  Hyperbolic statements about what one might do if faced with a self-defense situation may come back to haunt one. 

Dinadan, I think you're right.  Maybe a .28-.30 with a straight walled, rimmed case 50-70 grain bullet range with 900-1000 fps velocity.  Length maybe the size of .22 mag bullet.  With metalurgy what it is today at NAA and Ruger I bet the pressures could be sustained.  It could be a NAA unique round.  As it is, the smallest truly reloadable round is the .32 and it is well over 100 years old. With all the new bullet styles for self-defense, a Black Widow or Pug configuration or maybe even a Sidewinder could hold it even if it went to 4 rounds.  5 rounds of course preferable.  It would be reloadable.  That's the shooter's benefit with ammo the way it is.  Obviously small pistol primer.

I have had it happen by accident in a Ruger single six.  Not advisable. 

Windex works fine for me when I'm not able to go home right away.  DRY WELL.  I carry in my pocket to further dry it out by heating it up.  Put oil in the action and firing pin area like the instructions say.  I also use soap and hot water at home.  Put all the nipples in your hand with soap and scrub your hands together (make sure you have the sink closed or you'll be taking the drain apart to get one or more of the nipples.  I individually turn each nipple in a moist paper towel using the nipple wrench to turn. Then twist the paper towel at the corners and turn the nipple hole onto the paper towel twisted portion to clean out the nipple. These guns are not rust proof but pretty close. I've never had rust form on any of them unlike my Ruger Old Army which has.

Uncle Lee I think you beat me but I know the disease. NO CURE either. There's always just one more you can't live without. My wife gave up on me a long time ago.

45 those are going to be absolutely awesome on that Sidewinder.  I agree that the members here have got quite a talent for doing custom work on their minis.  I'm going to make some Elk grips for my BP to match the LR one some day.  I've got a huge antler that could make a bunch of grips. 

Thanks,  Yea I just love working on these things.  It's pretty apparent from looking on this and the holster thread that many of the NAA lovers also love to work on their own gear. Pretty talented crew.

Nope, He's irredeemably lost.

Wow, I actually did it.  I may not ever remember how I did it though.  The top BW grips are Spresser Mastadon Ivory, the middle are pearl that came on the gun originally as one of the first 77 or so of the BP Super Companions, the last are Elk stag I made for the LR BP.

Maybe I can post.

OV1D, You are a man after my own heart and you do great work on the grips.  I recognize your twist-2.  I wish I still had mine.  I used to carry one as a border officer in the 70s in a holster I had custom put on my RedWing boots.  I also admire your 4-barrel.  I saw a man at a gun show had one all engraved. He was not going to sell it as it was his engraving job.  Beautiful gun. If I ever learn how to take and post pictures I will show my custom grips.

That be my Black Widow for me. Don't leave home without it.

Yep on the cleaning.  Go to one of the big stores like Macy's or one like that and go to the make-up section.  Get some of the eye-lash brushes they give away there.  They are perfect for cleaning the .22 black-powder residue out of the barrel and cylinder.

Roguets, Them's quite a selection of great guns.  I'd suffer mass confusion figuring out which to use.

That's not a bad group for the first time shooting a LR companion.  You'll get better.

That's too much on range fees.  It's more fun to shoot out in the open anyway.  Watch out what's behind where you shoot.  That .22 will go a looong way.  You'll find those Federal shells will treat you right.  Those Yellow Jackets have what's called a truncated cone bullet.  Some autos have a hard time feeding them, but I bet your Ruger will do just fine.  Try a few of those yellow jackets and put the rest up.  Shoot the Federals.  Oh for the days you could buy a case of shells for $160 (5000) rounds.

My buddy and I did a lot of .22 shooting for many years.  We don't shoot as much but take more time on mechanics.  We talk a little more and rib each other more.  I have found that regular old lead .40 grain Federals are one of the most reliable and hot rounds around.  Remington Thunderbolts seem to misfire about 1-2 rounds per 50.  When I carry the LR cylinder in the BW, I carry Stingers or Aguila 60 grain subsonic. 

O.K., I already told you what I thought about your Ruger on the other Hi thread.  Your LR companion is near in serial number to mine.  I don't remember exactly how long ago I got it but it's been a while back.  Doc told you good info along with TwoGun and the rest.  If you're going to carry it around in your pocket, hammer down on an empty chamber.  That gives you four shots.  You will need to get that powder to 4f consistency or you won't get much power.  777 is a black powder substitute that works well in the .45 granulation and will give you a good result.  You can also find that easier usually than black powder. Be meticulous in your loading and it will not misfire on you.  Make sure to get the bullet started straight.  Those 100 plus caps were a deal at $4.  Keep your eye out for a Tap-O-Cap.  I got one, a million caps, and aluminum cans to last a life time.  I'm like Doc, it's in my travel bag.  Keep your eye open for deals, they'll come.  I mean like your local store selling roll caps for cheap. These Companions are fun.  I got one of the first Super Companions made.  My wife bought it for me.  Be careful and keep your hand out of in front of that Companion, it is small.   

Thanks Goatpacker for the kind words. Mitch, that Ruger .22 will be one of the most accurate guns you ever lay your hands on. It looks to me your grandma and grandpa had something like this planned all along. I had a grandpa like that. What a Blessing. Tell him we will try to emulate what he did for you. Back to that Ruger. You practice with that gun and you'll be able to hit a quarter at twenty-five yards. Good stance, two-hand grip, sight picture, squeeze slow, Bang. Nothing better than a gun that shoots as good as you. I'm genuinely excited for you. Now to try to find some cheap .22 ammo. One other thing, remember to keep your hands below the slide. The Ruger's got a good design to help.

Greyelky is right on again. I had a Spanish Fork "D" serial I sent in for a broken trigger. I literally could not believe the work. The older guns have a raised rear that forms a sight area. The workman/artist lowered the new hammer profile to remove from the sight picture. He installed the shorter barrel and made a .22 LR cylinder. Send it in and be patient. You will be pleased.

Mitch, Tell your grandpa to come on this website and look at this thread. I'll say right now that a trip to the gunshop with grandpa would be one of those multi-generational events. What I mean is every time you take your kids to shoot that gun they'd hear the story of that trip to the gunshop. The gun would never be sold because you read this thread. Grandpa is memorialized better than if he had a statue in downtown of himself. Your grandpa should be proud of a grand kid that has such an honorable desire to exercise his Constitutional rights in this day. Good luck.

I've got to admit that most NAA products that I've let go went to family or friends, and many of those gifts.  I gave my nephew Companion magnum with all accessories.  He loves it. My brother has a "b" serial LR that is has the raised rear portion of the  frame that allows for aiming.  Very accurate.  I would only let that go to a brother.  It had the California address. These guns are going to remain in the family for generations.

Mitch, you are on the right track.  I have been shooting since a boy and started out much like you.  I got an Colt Frontier Scout that an uncle asked me for.  He bought me an RG .22 to replace it.  I still have it and have put thousands of rounds through it.  Bought at a Western Auto store.  I then bought a parts gun kit blackpowder '51 navy revolver that came in a box with no instructions.  That was the continuing of my favorite hobby.  I have two NAA blackpowder revolvers and you won't be disappointed getting one of those.  Be meticulous in loading, shooting and cleaning and they will last you a lifetime, and you hopefully have a long way to go. Be slow to get rid of your first guns, you will regret it later on.  Your first guns will always be your favorites.  They may not be the most expensive but the memories they give cannot be bought anywhere at any price. Your Pardner twenty will last you a lifetime too.  I've got one and even though I've got nicer guns I still go hunting many times with that just to get back to basics. Welcome to the group.

Grayelky's right on. Try the longer distances. You will surprise yourself. These guns are capable of keeping up with you.  I am not one to generally quote a movie but I heard in one "aim small-shoot small" and I find that to be true. If what you are shooting at is smaller than your site, place your target in the middle of the site.