Quote from: OV-1D on April-07-18 17:04
  The only trouble with waiting the prices usually go up like my Ranger 1 's . One was $600 another $650 yet another $700 + an another was $900 . Was able to unload two for a very good profit and made up the differences .

The reality is with the Ranger 2's I would not buy a used Early Bird, I would buy a new one. 

Lesson from this saga is that sometimes it's best not to be first in line. I remember what they used to say about buying a new car? Never buy the first model year, let them work out the bugs first.

Looks like Ranger 2 auction prices are starting to normalize?, this Ranger 1 already at no reserve should give us a indication of where Ranger 1's are heading?
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/754692059

Not mine, may be a member here? Posted on another site. "I'm your Huckleberry"

Do you own a cap and ball revolver now?  You have to love the process and after one firing my full size, it's clean them up and fire again.  Lots of Black powder cleaner is your friend.  I love the smell, the process, the trip back in time.  But you'll quickly relalize why the smokeless cartridge was developed.

Sidewinder without question, there is a reason swing out cylinders dominate pistols. 

Quote from: OV-1D on February-25-18 06:02
O.K. I got a question , does anyone on this forum shoot their original Ranger I on a regular basis ? I'm wondering if they are having the same problems and or issues as the Ranger II series ? Sticking empty cartridges don't count because that's not the guns problem .

I shot my first Ranger 1 but retired it after I got my Sidewinder.  My 2nd Ranger 1 has never been fired.  I never fired my Ranger 1 that much but never had any issues. 

Quote from: Canoeal on February-27-18 22:02
I propose that we give NAA a break. Let them figure out the issues, and get them resolved. Until then, cut them some slack, and let them figure it out. I for one, am going to stop speculating on what I am not trained in.

If we all followed this rule there would be no forums?

Your sent a pistol that doesn't even rotate out of the box?!! Sorry their quality control is broken.  I just don't see how that could happen especially on a EB model that they know will get scrutiny.

The Sidewinder is I think is their best platform.  Follows a time test tradition, and is just a step above having to take a pin out. How many pins do you see on regular revolvers? come on? After I got my Sidewinder all over NAA pistols got retired.  I have a old Ranger but they are jewelry to me. The new Ranger needs to be proven to me and I think are prettier than a Sidewinder but probably a less reliable long term alternative.

My guess is production problems are helping this?

Quote from: grayelky on February-03-18 07:02

Quote from: 45flint on February-03-18 06:02
Maybe NAA is finding out the hard way why main stream Break-Top pistols were phased out of production years ago.  And when you shrink down the size the margin for machining error is probably very small.  Probably also exasperated by a design that had to reduce production costs.  Though it may hurt their pride, wonder if a 22LR only would be a better answer or at least a option they should offer.

Are you referring to a LR sized gun? Wouldn't that make it even more complex by making it smaller? If you mean retain the current size but LR only, how would that help?

Less power and less strain on gun.  Problem seems to be with mag cylinder and you can't order just 22lr?  Yes a smaller 22 cylinder gun would be very cool but I wasn't thinking of that.

Maybe NAA is finding out the hard way why main stream Break-Top pistols were phased out of production years ago.  And when you shrink down the size the margin for machining error is probably very small.  Probably also exasperated by a design that had to reduce production costs.  Though it may hurt their pride, wonder if a 22LR only would be a better answer or at least a option they should offer.

Quote from: Bigbird48 on February-02-18 20:02
OK Thread drift Redhawk thanks for mentioning the sidewinders. I've been meaning ask that question. Did the EB sidewinders have problems??. I have 2 115 & 116 that  I have never fired. Does anyone know of any significant problems they had or can I feel pretty good that mine are ok?

Quote from: redhawk4 on February-01-18 22:02

Quote from: Kimber1911 on February-01-18 19:02
     I also believe that the ammo problem clearly rests on the customer. I have seen people drop boxes of ammo, several times then scratch their heads when it doesn't go BANG ! Rim fires don't like to be dropped, & cheep is what you pay for & get. I've said enough.   TTFN       R

That's a bit of an all encompassing statement, that in my case is utterly untrue. Tell me of a better ammo than Speer Gold Dot or CCI?  The problems also only occur with 22 Mag.

As most who have suffered problems, own other NAA revolvers that work fine, why would they suddenly start dropping the ammo for their Rangers? or have problems, their other NAA revolvers don't have with the exact same ammo?

IMO  the misfire problem lies in part with the chambers, which Sandy mentioned in his Soapbox. The cartridges stick and won't come out for dimensional and/or surface finish reasons, this is made worse by soot which seems to build up rapidly and then in the same way as the cartridges don't want to come out, they fail to seat properly when they go in, meaning they move forward slightly, to seat fully,  as the hammer strikes reducing the necessary impact.

As for the other problems like the seizing of the mechanism when trying to cock the gun the problem is as of yet not exactly known, but I'm confident it will be sorted out. They could at least see first hand with my Ranger the issues and because I purposely didn't clean it before taking it in, they intend to fire several cylinders through it so they can again experience the other problems first hand which should aid in them being eliminated. I have no doubt they will all be resolved in time, if I remember originally there were problems with the Sidewinders when they first came out, but those problems went away.

I've shoot my EB Sidewinder many times with no problems.

Sell the consecutive numbers separately with a note on each that both have been put up for sale. Thus if someone really wants consecutive numbers he will bid on both.  I would ask what you have in them as a starting price and see where it goes, especially on the Ranger 2s.  The Ranger one is tuffer, that I might start at $1000 with a $2000 reserve?

That longer barrel is just perfect on the sidewinder.  My EB is in my pocket on a daily basis. Have to agree, best Naa offers. 

I would have thought that the Ranger 2 design would have been stronger?  I don't remember the original Ranger having this kind of feedback but they quickly became safe queens.  I shot my early bird a number of times but doubt I put 50 rounds through it.  To me I think the machining tolerances may be very tight and they brought much of it in-house recently.  Learning curve? 

Quote from: Ruger on January-25-18 07:01

Quote from: riadat on January-24-18 13:01. . . . .  Not something you can reload in a gun fight so why bother?

I see the Ranger II no harder to load than any other revolver out there, and lots of guys/gals carry revolvers with speed loaders.  I'm not saying it is fast, just that I see no real difference in loading the Break Tops and a standard swing out type revolver. 

Plus, as far as I understand, most gun fights are three shots or less.  If you are in a gun fight where you have to reload, you are in a Sh**Load of trouble at that point.

They are easier to unload on horseback, just doesn't come up as often as it used to. But have to assume it would be the Calvary's deep hideout gun of choice?

Makes me start to wonder if the pressures of a 22 mag are too much for this design?  Or if the design is too easily foiled by the slightest imperfections? Seems like too many guns with issues.

Quote from: riadat on January-24-18 13:01
I just never got excited about the break tops.  Not something you can reload in a gun fight so why bother?

Its really cool, that simple!  😎

Quote from: heyjoe on January-24-18 08:01
here is a link for anyone who wants to follow this
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/740046648

it says used condition so it may well be someone who bought one intending to keep it who shot it and just didnt like it or had a problem with it and wants to get rid of it.

I agree, if he wanted to get max cash he wouldn't have shot it, just turned it over. 

With all the talk of the Ranger, I think the Sidewinder can get lost in present discussion. I have the original Ranger and a Sidewinder and I actually like the Sidewinder better as a everyday gun.  I think the closed frame makes for a better gun, though maybe not as interesting.  The roll out cylinder more natural cause most revolvers do this. Longer barrel perfect.

Please forgive me, but I couldn't help myself!

I think you guys are being too kind, your customers more than beta testers and remember 1/2 of production is going to retail.  I'm personally happy I didn't climb aboard the early train.  Sorry.

Quote from: RangerJim on January-07-18 18:01
Hey, Guys:
I was a bit absent today ... so I just saw these posts.


I know you were joking, Unc, but I'm always in the market for original Rangers.  I think $2-3K might be a bit rich right now, but I'd be willing to consider a more reasonable price (Ahem ...  OV and Flint, I'm looking in your general direction ...).   

Better go for OV, I just last week made a absolute killer sale of a rare 1908 32 acp pistol I had for 4 years, made a 5 times my cost, my Airgun war chest is full! 

Quote from: smokeless joe on January-05-18 09:01

Quote from: RangerJim on January-05-18 09:01
Absolutely!  Fingers crossed that you get one today!   

Me too and I'm off next Friday so I'm hoping it'll be delivered by then so I can pick her up.

I think you deserve this!!

I got mine and I didn't even order one?

I have worked for many CEOs and it is surprising how the character of the person at the top seems to infuse the entire company.  NAA in good hands!

I think I do remember emailing years ago? someone on gunbroker selling a Ranger 502 as the last one made.  He corrected it to 560 made?  I don't remember saying the $4800, unless it was a joke, that's probably what he was selling 502 for?  Guys a joke! I emailed him to take it off.

Quote from: Don73 on December-31-17 21:12
I think one of these has been on GunBroker a couple times. Last time no bidders at $3500.00. I guess its how much money you have and how bad you want it. I think its kind of funny that he has the below in his notes. Who knows, might be a taker out there somewhere.

ANOTHER OWNER Just e-mailed ME Has #501 ""NOT FOR SALE"", but said, $4800.00, might be just about "RIGHT"

Yikes I own 501, I don't remember saying that but $4800 would certainly do it!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/734591280

It over $3000 as well!

Actually 6 months is pretty fast for a new issue to get longer barrels.

Quote from: azranger on December-12-17 12:12

Quote from: redhawk4 on December-11-17 10:12
It seems that the ejector is not working properly, due to a manufacturing fault, on the Ranger II's below serial #50, you need to immediately box them up and return them to the factory, they should get to yours and have them back to you sometime in June 2018 when the Ranger II production has stabilised

I contacted Jessica about the new Ranger II ejector not automatically retracting when the cylinder is fully open. This is how she explained it...


"As far as the ejector goes, all of the models will be like yours. In the video I had done, it was a pre-production model and yes, the ejector retracted back. However, we since discovered some issues with the spring that did so, and so unfortunately we had to do away with that feature. So, it is normal for the ejector not to retract until closing the cylinder."

I completely missed Jessica's explanation the first time around, must be getting old! 

Quote from: Warty62 on December-24-17 11:12
Here they are as they will be used, Eagle Grips on the Magnum, Pearl Boot Grips on the 22LR

Pearl is classy

Quote from: PaducahMichael on December-23-17 07:12
Here's a set of Spresser ivory grips....

White Ivory or white pearl are the best color for this stainless gun period😎