The ironic thing is it would be relatively simple to make.  All it really takes is a barrel and that just threads on IIRC.  Of course there are considerations regarding strength in that area, but as far as I know it wasn't a showstopper on Teddybearrats one-off. They already have folding grip holsters, so it would be trivial to design a polymer folding stock that protects the trigger when folded.

The sentinel would be the perfect basis for such a platform; the swing out cylinder allows for a cylinder gap deflector (and its not even clear this would even really be necessary for a .22), the squared off barrel profile would provide rigidity and support for a 16" barrel. A set of proper irons (think mini master, not pug) with a thinner target front sight would be a great plinker and small game getter by itself, but The frame could support a dovetail to accept a custom compact clamp on red dot base for a Holosun 407k or similar.

There would be nothing else on the market that combines that size and weight while also offering 5 rounds of .22LR or .22 magnum on tap.  Most little ultralight backpack guns are only one caliber, or single shot. Most small semi autos like the AR7 are only .22 Lr.


If you wanted a dedicated platform instead of a derivative (which seems reasonable given that NAA does innovate regularly), combining the safety notches with a manual cross bar safety like the PTAC Bullfrog would be cool, as well as a beefed up barrel/frame interface. I am a big fan of the rectangular barrel profiles of the pug and black widow so I hope they opt for something along those lines.

Just do it NAA! Give the people what they want Do we have to sign a petition and preorder it to assuage fears of recouping costs? Because I've never talked to someone and shown them the above pictures who wasn't immediately interested.

People have been begging for this for years, they're just not interested.

This would certainly fill a niche in the market. Not just for collectors; an ultralight backpacking gun with 5 rounds of .22LR or .22 Magnum on tap in a package as small or smaller than single shot .22s. There's simply nothing else that compares.  Alas. Maybe the guys who made the PTAC bullfrog or Standard Manufacturing Switch Gun would be interested.

Teddybearrat over on rimfire central did his own one-off, picture credits his. Rest of us can only drool and dream.

Has it really been 10 years? I'm an old man now... and still no closer to our dream of a North American Arms pack rifle! (all photo credits to teddybearrat's excellent custom job)







There's nothing out there in this compact and light that would offer .22 LR and .22 magnum options that isn't single shot.

I would _love_ a version of a pack rifle with a squared off barrel (like Mini Master / Black Widow) for rigidity and aesthetics, with a standard reload or even sidewinder like, with adjustable sights and an optional Holosun 407k (compact) mount, perhaps even compatibility with a verdian laser.  NAA already makes plastic folding grip holster that protect the trigger when stowed...

I'd absolutely pay whatever asked for something as unique as this, since there's really no other competitor out there -- the closest thing is the Heritage Rancher but it's much heavier and larger relatively.



While we're on the topic of fantasy one off/customs, how about a proper gunblade, inspired by this final fantasy one. Birdsheads grip, and 4-6" integrated blade. Who needs practical? A limited run would fetch a penny!

Keep in mind even out of the Pug's 1" barrel, there are .22 magnum FMJ loads that will reliably exceed 12" of penetration, making it a viable self defense tool. Can't go wrong with whichever option you go with.

Quote from: bearcatter on January-24-24 23:01
You've been here 12 years and only done 80 posts (.019 posts a day) ?

I thought you were a new guy .... 

I come out of the woodwork every few fortnights to mention I wish there was an NAA rifle 

Interesting.  Aesthetics drives a lot of my purchasing decisions on these little guys. For instance, I love the squared off looks of the pug (even a longer version, for instance this black widow with a laser module that looks like a long pug.  Even if there wasn't a laser, and that was just metal, it's such a cool profile).  So I'll have to wait until I see different views of this one before I decide.  I don't care one way or another about the swing out cylinder, but I'd love a break action version with pug lines (not easy to do and keep the overall look because of where the hinge needs to be). I'd be all over it, like in for several.







... and of course I always look for a NAA bicycle rifle in .22LR or .22 magnum (fingers crossed every shot show, but to no avail...)

Awesome! Thank you

https://viridianweapontech.com/red-grip-naa-magnum-frame

Looks like $299 for just the laser, and $395 for the laser and black widow if I'm reading that right. Basically if you buy a laser they'll throw in the pistol for another $96

*EDIT*

Disregard, see here: https://naaminis.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=f262282301e8dee0f034c499761786c8&topic=24772.msg205044#new

QuoteThe grip itself will be retailing at $99!!

The grip appears to be $299

The biggest issue people have had with the old laserlyte seems to be holding zero, so a lot of people would be excited at the possibility of an improved product from viridian, but before spending that sort of money it would add tremendously to peace of mind if there were reviews; not just installation and zeroing, but doing basic drop and bump tests to demonstrate it holding zero.  My go to source for things like this before dropping that kind of money on anything is typically youtube, does your company have any plans on posting reviews (either in house or offering review articles to influencers) to test and evaluate?

Regards

Looks great

Any chance of a version that has a pocket knife-like belt clip running from the upper right edge of the logo to the side of the cylinder?

I love the pug, except the sights. I have to bury my front sight until most of it isn't visible and the very top of the front sight aligns with the ears of the rear.  Would prefer more traditional black widow sights, personally.

No keyholes that I've seen with FMJ, but I only generally shoot around 3-7 yards

Will be interested in this once they reemerge, if they can get the kinks worked out of the laserlyte design and (ideally) the price below the cost of a new NAA Mini.

The only thing that would make it even better would be a belt clip attached directly to the grip, similar to the Dark Sun did with their Clip Grip

The site has new pics of the actual grip, quite a bit larger than the stock Pug style rubberized

Oof. I know it takes money to develop and market a product but at that price I hope it's rock solid and stupid reliable... I like that the grips are rubberized like the original pug but I wish they had better pics on the site so we can see what we're working with.

I'm a firefighter here in Tennessee, and thankfully by and large people have been protesting without much in the way of rioting. Certainly not the sorts of things we've been seeing in Minneapolis or New York.

When tensions run high all around, it's easier than ever to fall into the trap of generalizing groups which could be categorized in an infinitely arbitrary way as if they're a monolith rather than individuals.  Nobody likes it when it's done to them, yet it seems to happen all too often, particularly during times of frustration. When people are senselessly hurt, and you feel powerless to stop it, this is exacerbated and as we're all human it's all too easy to act rashly.

This is where having something you believe in can serve as a reminder, as your shoreline, so you don't get lost.  One thing that always resonated with me was this.



When the media seems to only show you what maximizes views, clicks and ad revenue, and the individual accounts are so charged with emotion.  It's difficult to pick the useful bits of signal from the noise. It's easy to fall into a sense of despair.  It seems like it's so much,  what can one person do?

The older I get, the more I feel Fred Rogers was right during times like these -- look for the helpers.   From public safety reminding their own, when they're stressed and close to stepping out of line, why they are there, to protestors telling looters to stop hurting their community, that this isn't the way... the helpers are out there, and there are more than you think.   

What can one person do?  In the end, all we can control is our own actions, and all we can do is set an example.  That's how you change the world, after all, one person at a time.

Very cool! That's awesome of the company to do that

Quote from: Jessica Jarvis on March-31-20 08:03
Just an FYI, Viridian is making laser grips for the magnums. They haven't been released yet, but will be available very soon.  The design/look is very similar to LaserLytes, but they have made the internal design a lot better and should actually hold at 0.  Happy shooting and hope ya'll are staying healthy!!

Yours Truly!

That's awesome, can't wait to see what they come up with

Since NAA doesn't seem interested in producing a bicycle / pack rifle, what does everyone think about a braced "pistol" based off something like the Earl 6" or Mini Master 4", since it would wouldn't require any barrel work, just a brace adapter?  Could be sold as kits, and wouldn't change the pistol into a rifle.

Definitely Ranger I, wasn't interested in the II at all. 

Pug, IMO. Penetrates in the 12"-18" window with the right ammo despite its diminutive barrel, shorter barrel is easier to conceal, the grip is perfect, and to my tastes the outline is aesthetically quite pleasing.  Hate the sights.

Second up would be black widow.  Don't need the longer barrel for adequate penetration, but the sights are night and day better, and the extra sight radius is nice.  Add the laserlyte and you basically have a big pug aesthetically.

Love the pug, absolutely hate the sights especially the shallow V rear.  If conventional mini-mag sights like what Rick_Jorgenson posted (especially the smaller ones in his pics) were available for the Pug they'd be perfect IMO. They don't need to be adjustable as long as they're on from the factory.

Even out of the pugs diminutive barrel, .22 Magnum FMJ still penetrates ~16" in gel, firmly within the 12-18" window and making it a viable defensive option as long as you do your part.   Not sure what another half inch of barrel gains you, unless you prefer it aesthetically.

That's awesome, I loved the Ranger 1 design but never warmed up to the Ranger 2

I'm really digging the look of acid stonewash on knives, especially if they've got something like vintage / OD looking micarta handles.  Would this be a possibility on an NAA Mini or is the material incompatible with the process?

Here are some examples

With my pug, shooting at <3 feet results in significant peppering of the target with incompletely burned powder.  If I were using the pug defensively for whatever reason, the last thing I want is something that throws that up in my face / eyes if I'm firing from retention or from a grapple.

The purpose of ported barrels is to reduce muzzle climb so you reacquire your front sight with minimal delay resulting in faster follow-up shots.   This is a single action revolver though... your split times are dominated by the time it takes you to cock the hammer back again, not the time it takes to reacquire your sight.  So it's about as useful as a screen door on a submarine even if it did actually minimize muzzle climb.

That being said, it does looks pretty cool, and if you like it you don't have to justify it 

Are there any sight options for the Pug other than the stock sights?  I like the pug form factor, but I like the black widow rear sight a lot better than the shallow V of the pug.

QuoteMoral of the story : It is better to do a few things exceptionally well than a lot of things in a mediocre fashion.

Yeah man, I get what you're saying, and don't disagree with ya.

Quote from: Canoeal on July-11-18 20:07
and if to make it quality, it comes in at $1000?

What do you want me to tell you?  There are some NAA firearms that go for well over $1,000 right now, if you can find them.  They'll sell for what the market will bear, and NAA is no stranger to limited runs and experimenting -- after all, look at the amazing variety of NAA revolvers that are out there, and these are variations what is essentially the same theme.  People like them, people collect them.  They could have called it quits with the mini and mini mag and just been done with it, you know "do one thing well" but look at some of the incredible things they've come up with.

Instead of encouraging innovation, the mentality of some here seems to be "well, they can't make a carbine you see, because to do so would somehow mean sacrificing quality" when that can't be further from the truth.   I have enormous faith that should NAA decide to develop a pack rifle, the quality would be impressive since the firearm itself, the core that it's based on, has already been developed.  It's a barrel change, and a folding (or takedown) stock so you'd have to develop an interface for that.  While neither of those are problem free (a 16" barrel has a lot of leverage on the attachment area, and depending on the shape may have flex issues - maybe a mini-master profile shroud for rigidity), but they're not high risk either compared to developing the platform itself.

Now, a better argument for those who are opposed to it is simply this; would enough people want one in general to be worth it for a business standpoint?  I couldn't tell you.  I do know that after seeing TeddyBearRat's experiment (have posted on other forums as well) that I've seen a plethora of people who loved the idea as it fills a niche that other similar pack rifles simply don't quite get right.

If they were made, and just didn't work out and ended up being a limited run, I suppose you'll almost certainly see them popping up on gunbroker for over $1,000... and someone out there who collects them will pay it to own what, in that case, has become a rare piece of history.

My insert fell out after about a year, but a bit of whiteout and clear nail polish fixed it up!

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Quote from: burncycle on July-10-18 18:07
Folding NAA carbine to take over the pack-rifle / crickett rifle / rascal rifle / Chiappa "Little Badger" rifle / bronco rifle / survival game getter market

I would like very much to see one of these on the market.  I would be in line for one of them.

Speaking of niche markets, I think that niche is already covered by Chiappa, Henry et al.

I'd rather see NAA continue to focus on their specialty and continue to produce high quality products.

Just the opposite. None of them can provide 5 ready-rounds of .22LR (much less .22 Magnum) in a more compact package, they're all single shot or (in the case of the AR7) much bigger.

Who said it wouldn't be a high quality product?  NAA is no stranger to innovation, and continue to provide an interesting and exciting variety of their products.

QuoteI see several people that would like to have a NAA rifle and went back to read a few prior threads on the idea.  What I haven't seen is anyone stating what they would be willing to pay for such a firearm. 

It is what it is. Without sacrificing quality, I wouldn't mind paying what it takes for the 16" barrel and folding or takedown stock on something like a mini-magnum frame.  So yeah it may be in the 400-500 range -- but you know how hard to find some of the limited run NAA firearms can be, and this would probably be similar -- look at how much an original ranger is going for on gunbroker now.

Folding NAA carbine to take over the pack-rifle / crickett rifle / rascal rifle / Chiappa "Little Badger" rifle / bronco rifle / survival game getter market

The Pug just does it for me above all the others, aesthetically.  It just looks right!

Only one?  Something like TBR's Bicycle Gun, but based on a magnum frame, with interchangeable cylinders (.22LR or .22 magnum).  Maybe a breaktop or sidewinder style and with good adjustable peep sights.





Or a Pug... if limited to current options

Quote from: Canoeal on November-19-17 22:11

Quote from: The Dawg House on November-07-17 21:11
CCI maxi mag jhp. I didn't choose this to expand out of a pug. It won't! It will deform and cavitate though. That is what I want out of a .22 bullet. Another plus is penetrating because of the lack of expansion.  Personally, I'll take the risk of over penetration with such as small bullet exiting a small gun.

If you wanted penetration why the Pug? The BW would seem a more logical choice...

Because with the appropriate load you'll get sufficient penetration either way.   

With 40gr FMJ (or a similar weight JHP that doesn't expand) the Pug, despite it's short barrel, will send it fast enough to penetrate deeper than my preferred 9mm carry load (147gr HST +P) at ~16" vs ~14".  Of course the 9mm destroys a significantly higher volume of tissue.

Nothing wrong with changing a pistol to a rifle (or going back to a pistol) as long as you don't violate the NFA in the process wrt barrel length and overall length.  People do it with AR pistols; just have to make sure the 16+" upper is on prior to the stock being on, and take the stock off first before putting the pistol upper back on.  No paperwork needed, as it started life out as a pistol.

If NAA offered a rifle like that though it would definitely be on my list!

Very nice!  If you're willing sometime, would love to know the process!  Many have been interested in an NAA style rifle based on the mini