Quote from: OV-1D on March-24-18 15:03
  Hoodies get you shot these days .

Hoodies don't kill people, GUNS kill people.  Ask any high school student........

Swolf - I did not know that NAA made a concealment hoodie.
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I recently bought a Rossi 20 ga. single shot, and wondered how it compared to a 12.  I've never looked up a comparison.  I also have 20 ga inserts for my 12 ga guns.  20 ga seemed more versatile for the difference between small game (bunnies, quail, squirrel) and bigger pests (shot and slugs for raccoon, coyote) and larger edibles like turkey, and even deer.  I have a grab-n-go kit made for roving my back 20 that I will have to do a thread on sometime if people are interested.  Includes my new Rossi 20 ga, and an assortment of adapters to take on anything I run across back there--.22, 9mm, .410, .45, and a variety of shot, and slugs available in 20 ga itself. 

I bought a NRA Concealment Hoodie a few years ago.  Hate it.  It has snap pockets on both interior sides lined with velcro strips and came with a velcro pouch to hold the gun.  The idea is good, and the holster piece that velcros into the pocket is nicely adjustable, but the the material and rest of the design is lame.  The fabric pilled up and looked worn and crappy after just a few uses.  The nylon inside support is uncomfortable and feels like wearing a rubber "welcome" mat.  A nice heavy leather vest would break in where it needs to and support the gun as it should.  I'm not a vest guy, but working on a denim jacket hack that could do the same thing.

Shown is my 12 ga. family (excluding my Century Arms coach gun I forgot about above my bed.)
Steel plug shown is a Short Lane "muzzle load" adapter that turns the breech-load gun into a front stuffer that ignites with a 209 primer.  Just got it yesterday, so haven't played with it yet.  It will turn my junker Armory gun into a blunderbus.  Yesterday was my final day at work--EVER!  Took advantage of an early retirement benefit and now I'm free to waste my time playing with the guns I've been collecting.  I have a whole variety of 12 gauge loads I have not had a chance to try yet:  Rubber slugs and shot, pumkin balls (cast myself), swan shot, pewter and lead-free shot, wax and hot glue loads---I tingle to think of all the fun ahead!  I have to move first to my new homestead in Kansas and get my workshop up (after getting a camper so I don't have to sleep in the truck and poop in a bucket for long!)

[/iArchibald Cunningham: If I had to kill an ox; a claymore would be my ffffiiirrrrsssttt choice, Your Grace. (sneer)]

If I could only own 2 videos, I would have Braveheart first, and Rob Roy second.  They both certainly take me back to the days where the honor of a blade and ability to use it superceded the scum they dispatched.  A bit of romanticism to be sure, but an inspiration to the lost arts of Integrity.  I think the romanticism of a wheel gun is possibly our modern equivelant. 

I waited until long after the bugs were worked out to purchase my BW.  Glad I didn't jump on the band wagon.  Early Black Widows had problems too.  I've had no problems at all.  I would have been frustrated and impatient if I had joined the club early on and had to work through the issues at the start.  I'll not buy a SW or other fad guns until they are proven to be reliable.  I enjoy the advice and experience of guys who learned the hard way!

Archibald Cunningham: He's a fair hand with a cleaver, it must be said.

Duke of Argyll: Oh, you do not think much of our highland weapons?

Archibald Cunningham: If I had to slaughter an ox, your grace, a Claymore would be my first choice.

I LOVE my shorty, and have shot it more than my BW.  My shorty is the most likely gun to grab walking out the door for errands, and all the reports and info I have seen over the years just reinforce the concept that ANY gun presented (or fired) in an encounter is more effective than presenting any other weapon.

For the more daring and reckless--those not concerned with what a lawyer might say--there are rounds that can be cut to fit the shorty.  If I remember right, I think the heavy Sniper Sub Sonic has a short case and gives a heavier lead pill than the regular short round.  A search would turn up some old posts that address cool and crazy things you can do with a shorty.  I'm still waiting for .22 short bird shot or some hack to dyi.

Looks like that steel ring would grind on your spine.  Otherwise looks cool.  I would do a knife and cylinder/speed loader on the balance side. 

Black Widow with conversion cylinders!  I've used it to get grouse for supper, assasinate trespassing squirrels, elimate destructive Rodents Of Unusual Size (R.O.U.S.es, for you Princess Bride fans), teach the neighbor girls to shoot, plink politely with powderless ammo, pass my CC permit class, provide magnum protgection on road trips, and fire for fun.  All this economically and cheaply, even during the ammo drought.  It has the heft that even big bore handgunners respect, and the grip size big handers can grip. 

I like Taurus revolvers myself. I currently own 15 of them, which include quite a range of different-sized revolvers and calibers. I highly recommend them! Check 'em out!


I'm a Taurus/Rossi guy too.  I said this a few years ago here, but I bought a Taurus .357 in South Africa (about '92) on the advice of a game ranger who said it would be a great gun for foot safaris or hunting as a short-range backup when trekking through lion territory.  I since picked up a .45/410 Judge which has dispached numerous grouse, squirrel, and other trespassing critters.  And I inherited a .357 snubbie (which I origionally bought for my dad) and now carry on occasion in place of my beloved Black Widow. In spite of all the haters, none of my Rossis have failed to fire even once, and they carry neatly in their inexpensive and readily available fanny packs, shoulder holsters, pancakes, IWBs, and belt holsters.

I have the Wally's "Winchester" kit identical to the Gunmaster set above.  Very compact, but plenty of space inside for .22, .38, and .45 jags.  But I do like the oiler in the Ruger kit!! I checked EekBay and found the kits for $15 shipped (same kit but Kleenbore brand), but couldn't find just the oiler anyplace.  Anybody got a source?  I want a small refillable one and not a bulkier plastic one that would take up lots of space in the tiny kit.  I'm tempted to buy a kit just for the oiler.

When I need gun repairs, I go to my local auto shop guy.  He has the metal skills and tools to weld a tip, temper a spring, tap a hole, etc.  I think it was the same in the olden days; your local blacksmith or tack guy could do most of what needed to be done.  More serious repairs went to the big city gun guy, and you used your backup for a couple months until it came back.  Records show Wild Bill Hickock often had one gun or another away for a trigger job, cylinder alignment, etc.  Having built a couple black powder guns, I have a basic knowledge of how things are supposed to work and most issues are resolved with a little common sense.  Modern semi autos certainly complicate the issues, so I favor revolvers.

I haven't made BP myself yet, but I've collected all the proper ingredients.  I harvested some nice willow branches and cooked them down to charcoal as recommended.  I have the mill stuff also, and hope within the next year to have the time and place to brew my own powder.  Lots of excellent, clear instructions online to do it safely and right.  Now I'm ready for the Dems to take back the control after Trump.  Not only for my Companion, but for my Navy .45s and my .32 Winchester.

"Sharpe" is one of the best British TV series I've ever seen!  Lots of great historical depictions that us Americans have never heard about.  Sean Bean plays an excellent role of a soldier thrown into unwanted leadership.  I picked up the series on Netflix a few years ago, and it remains some of the best TV I've ever seen.

Quote from: OLD and GRUMPY on January-05-18 22:01
Thanks to TGJ for teaching me how. If you are lurking hope all is well.

I miss 2Gun.  He is certainly the master of such useful craziness!  I still look up his old posts for info.

A friend gave me a few ribeye steaks last night as a belated Christmas present, so I braved the -20 temps and lit some applewood and grilled them.  I also baked some mini mincemeat pies. 

Velocity isn't going to take out anything bigger than a wasp at 4 feet.  You can shoot your own hand at close range (but you won't do it twice!)  Beetles on the window at 2 feet with salt is my usual target and load.  Fine decorative sand will tatoo a glass window or mirror (or car finish...., Don't ask....)  I'm sure there is a boobtube video showing how to upgrade asnd increase power.  You definately want to disable the safety latch.

There is another tactical bug device available that you attach to a CO2 pistol barrel that has much more power, but harder to use and fewer shots.  It can fire farther with a smaller shot pattern.  I think I posted a comparson range report a couple years ago.

I don't thing #12 shot would go far.  "Dust shot" (smaller than #12, or bottom-of-the-bag stuff) would possibly work, but I can't imagine it being better velocity than sand.  Courser salt should be an easy alternative, and a little work with a morter/pestal would give a mixed shot combo that covers the spectrum.  Shooting a mouse with anything less than rat shot will only make him mad................

I have one.  Load it with fine sand to take out wasps, asian beetles, and other harder shelled creepy-crawlies.  Love it! 

I'm guessing that many women are not really onto shooting sports, and just want to get a permit and carry a gun to protect themselves and not think about it again.  NAA provides a simple gun to cock, point,shoot when needed.  No special tactical training. No situational anyalysis. Just "bad guy after me and I need to stop him."  Point and shoot.  I like the idea that my sister will have to stop a moment as she cocks the gun to consider that she is about to kill somebody, and decide if it is warrented.

LOVE IT!!!  Totally Reality!!

Black Friday I was visiting my sister who just got her cc permit and was looking for a carry piece.  We stopped by a farm supply gun dept. and I was talking to her about the .32s and smaller guns on display, and I was commenting about how many women like the feel of the smaller guns.  That's when a salesman stepped up and said "I beg to differ with you." He pulled a police badge from his shirt and a business card advertising his firearms instruction class, and said the classic line "You shoot a bad guy with anything smaller than 9mm and it will only make him mad...."  We told him we were looking at the smaller sale guns from a flyer, but he insisted on pulling out the bigger caliber Glocks and other high end guns.  I stepped away as he bantered on about recoil and reliability.  He lost a sale because he was pushing what HE wanted her to have, rather than listen to what she wanted.  They actually had several NAA guns in the cabinet, and good chance I would have got her to get one of those for her purse until she put in some range time trying other guns out.

I'm with you Warty--BP needs only soap and water, so buying or making a special solution is unnecessary. The time is spent in properly lubing a black powder load rather than cleaning it up. And I also use Hoppe's products for other cleaning.  I can't imagine that one can save more than a few cents for all their trouble in buying ingredients and spending the time and energy making and storing cleaner.  Maybe that would be a good "hanging out with your buddies" rainy afternoon where a big batch is made benefitting several guys.

I want one, and will gladly pay $95 for it!  Otherwise, no.

I learned from someone here that a Blood Glucose test strip containter (a bit smaller than a film container) is just ther right size for a spare cylinder, AND has a pretty nice air tight snap lid, so that is what I carry for spare cylinder use.  Dont need a fancy stamped leather thingy with bulky snap except for the coolness factor.

Here's mine.  Has attachment to shoot mini flares.  I had a gold-plated one I sold on this forum 4 years ago.  I remember seeing them advertised in my dad's Popular Mechanics or some such magazine when I was a small kid and always wanted one.  Finally saw one as an adult and bought it.

When I first got it, I fired it into a heavy box to see if it would stick in the  corragated cardboard.  I loaded a piece of bird shot that fit the barrel.  The shot bounded around the room and I assumed it had bounced off the cardboard, so I loaded a second shot and was going to shoot my palm to see if it would sting.  I had a phonebook on the floor beside me and shot that instead.  It went into the book a good half inch!  I checked the cardboard box and found the shot had not bounced, but went completely through, as well as going through a canvas briefcase before bouncing off the wall behind.  The shot would have gone clean through my palm!

Quote from: Ruger on November-12-17 11:11

Quote from: To Old To Run on November-12-17 05:11
I don't think snake shot from a Mini will do much either :

Maybe not, but next time you are facing a Moose, shoot him in the face with the snake shot: let us know how that goes . . .

I spent a couple years in South Africa and did some work on a game reserve. The danger was encountering a rhino on the trail. A game ranger I worked with who led foot safaris carried only a .38 snubbie and the first two shots were bird shot.  He claimed (based on experience and word from other Rangers) that a shot in the butt and the noise would entice a grumpy critter to keep charging down the trail and not turn back.  I have to wonder if moose would react the same way.  I live and work in moose territory also.  BUT I would run before I blasted snake shot or anything less than a high caliber projectile toward somthing that size.  I've had one encounter with moose on foot, and was unarmed (and had to clean my pants afterwards.)

A month ago I spent a few days in a farmhouse that had been unoccupied for a couple years and was being overrun by rodents.  I had set a couple live traps to catch the big pack rats, but mice kept tripping them and escaping through the holes.  I used my BW and CCI shotshells to take out several mice.  It did leave some pattern dimples on the wood floor, but seemed like much of the shot bounced. Ricochet shot wouldn't have done damage to anything. 
I would probably not use BB or pellets because even a weak shot could rebound and crack a glass something.  Victor traps and peanut butter are best, but not as fun.  For fun, try one of these:  a replica Mouse Gun from the late 1800's.  Peanut butter is placed on the underside of the long bar.  Gun is loaded with a few grains of powder and a paper wad (no lead.)  Mickey takes a lick and blows his own head off with the paper/concussion of the blast.

T-shaped pin is simply a "wig pin" used to keep wigs in place on a styrofoam form.  A paperclip with a grip bent in one end would work fine. 

I love my folding grips on my BW.  I have an assortment of all the popular grips--Vang, etc, but the folders are the ones that keep ending up back on the gun.  They are homely and awkward as far as grips go, but they work great and give a good purchase when shooting.  I wear mine IWB on my right rear (strong side) hip, and the gun is invisible.  Perfect for driving and active wear use.  When I want "pretty" or shooting with friends for the afternoon I'll drag out other grips, but the folders are always on the gun ready to head out the door.  I also noticed that placed upside-down in the center console, it appears to be a phone or something else in the truck.  Wish they would make one scaled down for the shorty.  The LR frame model is a bit too wide and clunky on the short.

With CCI shot you have low velocity rebound from the lead shot plus plastic shrapnal from the capsule.  Other shells that are crimped have more power and tend to stick into the (wood) backstop.

Thanks for the tip!  I wondered how well the capsule stayed in place, and didn't think about how tricky it would be to crimp.

My BW got a good workout with shotshells last week.  I spent a couple nights in a farmhouse that has been unoccupied for a couple years and rodents roam freely.  I don't like how weak CCI shotshells are, but they turned out to be the perfect thing for indoor shots.  One big pack rat took two shots to put him down, but mice went easy.  I did get a good amount of ricochet, but that was better than blast holes in the floor.  Wasn't too loud either--I was worried the farmer across the road would be startled to hear shots at 1 am.

2 more 16 oz diet Dew bottles.  One empty, one filled with 12 oz water.  Water bottle popped with a dull thud and kept 1/4 of the water inside, empty bottle popped with a blast much louder.  Water bottle split almost in half, empty bottle stayed intact but went flying away.