taking precautions

Anvil · September-23-21 20:09

So now we are into the high school football season. Turns out to joy my 6 year old granddaughter will be the flower girl at the home coming event crowning the King and Queen. It's always a fun time if everything goes well. Thankfully I can conceal carry my Pug into the stadium without any intervention. As usual I won't need it but you never know so it's better to be prepared. Yes NAA is not the ultimate defense weapon but it's good enough compared to absolutely nothing!
Plus as I posted before my son-in-law, an Iraq war Marine vet says anything less than a 9mm is not effective, but hello!

A .22 mag with a 36-40 grain bullet carries nearly as much energy at 50 yards as a 9mm luger.

Depending on bullet and load, the 9mm has 315-390ftlbs energy at 50 yards.

The .22mag has 310-325ftlbs energy at that same distance.

At close range, the .22 mag may even slightly overtake most 9mm loads simply because velocity is a more significant part of the energy equation.

So in conclusion I much prefer taking precautions with my concealable Pug than toting a 9mm to most any events.

Canoeal · September-23-21 20:09

The 22 mag specs you are quoting are out of a 20" rifle Barrel. Here are the correct spec avgs from NAAs own tests...

Anvil · September-29-21 18:09

So after all the statistics listed is it still better than nothing?

My Marine vet son-in-law says a hit with 22 mag will just piss off the culprit.
I say it will quell his aggression. Years ago a friend of mine accidently shot himself
in his calf with a .22 short and said the pain was tremendous and the recovery long term.

Canoeal · September-29-21 20:09

Absolutely better than nothing. I carry a BW or a 1 5/8" Wasp. Just don't confuse it with a 9mm.

LHB · September-29-21 23:09

I find it interesting how attitudes change during the years. There used to be a lot of WWII vets who complained about how useless the .30 carbine was in combat, the total lack of stopping power from the round. Friend of mine's dad complained to his dying day about how the army took his 03-A3 away from him and sent him to the Philippines with a useless carbine. His Marine vet grandson thinks the 5.56mm/M16A2, which has about the same muzzle energy is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

In the 60's, to advocate using a 9mm for protection was the same as signing a death warrant for the user. Remember reading one magazine writer stating that you could walk into any large VFW post, and find a couple of men who had taken two or three hits from a MP-40, but walk into any German vets club, and fine anyone who had taken two or three hits from a Thompson.

I firmly believe that that .22 in my pocket is of more value than my 1911 back in the cabinet, or the 9mm in the glove box.

pietro · September-30-21 03:09

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top dog · September-30-21 07:09

Pietro,
That pretty well sums it all up.

As in all cases,it is best to be prepared with what you think is best for you.

As for me,I tend to lean towards the BW or PUG.

Top Dog

Anvil · October-23-21 18:10

My dad was a Marine in the South Pacific in WWII. He would never talk about the war with me but in his 80's I took him to a marine reunion in OKC. There with other vets I heard him say on landing on Okinawa he emptied his 30 cal. carbine into a charging enemy but he kept coming until falling dead just 6 feet in front of him.
He then said he took a M1 Garand off a dead fellow marine and held on to it until the end of the war. I can't imagine! He was 17 at the time.

Uncle_Lee · October-24-21 05:10

Hey Anvil,
It doesn't matter to me how hard the 22mag hits at 50 yards.

I would miss.

heyjoe · October-24-21 08:10

Quote from: uncle_lee on October-24-21 05:10
Hey Anvil,
It doesn't matter to me how hard the 22mag hits at 50 yards.
I would miss.

haha

OV-1D · October-24-21 10:10

Quote from: uncle_lee on October-24-21 05:10
Hey Anvil,
It doesn't matter to me how hard the 22mag hits at 50 yards.
I would miss.

Isn't that the truth with most of us . I'd need more than a gun that extends way past my fingers .Ha ,ha .
Just for a mind needs to know how much energy is left at 150 feet . Not that I give a rip but to somebody it might mean something .

cfsharry · October-27-21 19:10

LHB,
Better check your number before you post. 30 caliber carbine has muzzle energy of approximately 960-970 ft/ pounds with 110 grn bullet vs about 1750 ft/pounds with a 55 grn bullet for the 5.56. It is a weak round but a fun gun to shoot.