Are we any closer to a longer barrel length on the Sidewinder

[45flint]

They got to be catching up soon with the demand for the initial length? 

[TeeJay37]

That would be a pretty neat gun. How long would the barrel have to be to allow an ejector that completely clears the cases?

[Dinadan]

I keep hoping for an announcement by the end of the year. I wonder how many Sidewinders NAA can produce in a day as compared to standard Minis, and how the profit margin compares? If NAA is selling everything they make as fast as they can make it, there is not a lot of reason to change. On the other hand, I think having something new show off might give them some publicity - help keep NAA interesting.

[MR_22]

I'm assuming that since it's been a few months since this was asked, then yes, we are technically closer. Whether we are 50% closer or 1% closer, who's to say?

The Obama-Rush on guns seems to be winding down now and things are kinda-sorta returning to normal, so I would think that means that NAA would be getting back to normal soon, too. That is, unless what we have now IS the new normal....

[45flint]

We need a new model to talk about, its getting boring!

[Kevin]

Dinadan, not to give you any false hope, but... There is no November Soapbox message yet. Perhaps Sandy has a Thanksgiving announcement in the works?

[grayelky]

Last January NAA was figuring the production through the end of the year was already sold. My guess is, no, they are not caught up yet. I have 6 or 8 distributors I buy from. None of them have any minis in stock. I would also venture the guess the next shipment received will not last 2 working days at any of the distributors, IF it lasted 2 days. Now, will NAA add a longer barrel length prior to getting caught up? I personally would not think so, but, your guess is just as good as mine.

TeeJay37 wrote: How long would the barrel have to be to allow an ejector that completely clears the cases?
The .22 mag case is about 1" long. The current ejector raises the case about 3/8", IF my memory is working. If that is correct, the current barrel would need to be a minimum of 5/8" longer to be able to fully clear the cases. I suspect when it came to actually working, 3/4" is what it will take.

45flint-
Got an idea? If it is really good, send an email to Sandy and keep quiet. If he likes it, once he annouces it, you will have the self satisfaction of knowing all about it before anyone else!

[howl]

Bump. At least a 3" would be cause for an immediate purchase.

[grayelky]

I can say with complete accuracy that we are definitely closer now than we were back in November when this thread started! 

[Dinadan]

I can say with complete accuracy that we are definitely closer now than we were back in November when this thread started! 

Logically, that is only true if there ever is a longer barrel Sidewinder!!

[heyjoe]

I can say with complete accuracy that we are definitely closer now than we were back in November when this thread started! 

some of us may not have the time left to wait long enough

[Uncle_Lee]

I can say with complete accuracy that we are definitely closer now than we were back in November when this thread started! 

some of us may not have the time left to wait long enough

Time is shorter for some than for others.

Some say "Wait until Summer".
Problem with that is some may not make it until Summer.


.32 acp mini...................................
Will never see it but I can wish.

[OV-1D]

Last January NAA was figuring the production through the end of the year was already sold. My guess is, no, they are not caught up yet. I have 6 or 8 distributors I buy from. None of them have any minis in stock. I would also venture the guess the next shipment received will not last 2 working days at any of the distributors, IF it lasted 2 days. Now, will NAA add a longer barrel length prior to getting caught up? I personally would not think so, but, your guess is just as good as mine.

TeeJay37 wrote: How long would the barrel have to be to allow an ejector that completely clears the cases?
The .22 mag case is about 1" long. The current ejector raises the case about 3/8", IF my memory is working. If that is correct, the current barrel would need to be a minimum of 5/8" longer to be able to fully clear the cases. I suspect when it came to actually working, 3/4" is what it will take.

With the clearance what matter does it make with length of barrel if the cartridges don't clear the grips at least with the mag .cylinder , haven't tried the l.r. change up yet . As long as the cylinder doesn't hinge out , away from the frame , they will forever hit the grips or maybe just leave the right grip off altogether . 

45flint-
Got an idea? If it is really good, send an email to Sandy and keep quiet. If he likes it, once he annouces it, you will have the self satisfaction of knowing all about it before anyone else!

[Scroller]

I was told by NAA  in December they were 4000 back and producing 200 sidewinders per week.

[theysayimnotme]

We do need one with a longer barrel & at first they should be restricted for sale in the People's Demokratik Republik of Kalifornia. The longer barrel is needed to avoid the need to be on the approved list.

[MR_22]

I talked to Sandy about a longer barrel on the Sidewinder on Thursday at the SHOW Show in Vegas. He said once they can catch up with demand, they are highly interested in getting a longer barrel on the Sidewinder so they can get it into California. So, YES, it's coming, but I'm not sure about the timing. Hang on a little longer. It's coming!

[Dinadan]

Thank you for the news update, MR 22. How long does the barrel have to be to be California legal?

[G50AE]

...they are highly interested in getting a longer barrel on the Sidewinder so they can get it into California.

Silly California laws. 

[theysayimnotme]

12133PC can be found near bottom of http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12125.php

12133 PC:

(a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge
capacity with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets any of the following specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or relic, as defined in
Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7-1/2 inches when the handle,
frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7-1/2 inches when the handle, frame
or receiver, and barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for importation into the United States
pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18 of the United States
Code.

(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches
and that has an overall length of at least 10-1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

[Dinadan]

(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7-1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

Thank you, Theysayimnotme. A three inch Earl is only 6 3/4 inches. That sounds like it would have to have a four inch barrel to be California legal.

[boone123]

Shall not be infringed?

[theysayimnotme]

(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7-1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

Thank you, Theysayimnotme. A three inch Earl is only 6 3/4 inches. That sounds like it would have to have a four inch barrel to be California legal.

Oversized grips like I have on my Black Widow might cut that down to maybe 3 1/2". There is nothing in the law that says you can't replace the grips after you buy it.
Note the law does not prohibit shorter pistols, it only requires the manufacturer  to go through the process (and expense) of getting them on the list.

[Goatpacker]

Wouldn't it be easier to just move out of there before that whole state brakes of and drifts out into the Pacific???

[OV-1D]

  California seems to be a refection of Washington D.C. in all matters of doing business , always as* backwards , only to learn TOO many laws are not a good thing and not useful at all except create more government jobs . How many idiots does it take to change a lightbulb kinda thing , one to hold the bulb and five or six to turn the ladder . Everything is useless overkill in every way , shape and form and makes everyone think they are doing something for their outrageous paychecks , just a bunch of bullsh*t losers . 

[Goatpacker]

Amen OV!!!

[I]

Government waste is like having digestive parasites. Unfortunately, one of the best ways to deal with those is a tall bottle of hard tack. When you try that with government problems, you just wake up the next day with a headache.

Hope? Change? It's like waiting for undesirables to become upstanding... Best go do something productive in the meantime.

[OV-1D]

Government waste is like having digestive parasites. Unfortunately, one of the best ways to deal with those is a tall bottle of hard tack. When you try that with government problems, you just wake up the next day with a headache.

Hope? Change? It's like waiting for undesirables to become upstanding... Best go do something productive in the meantime.

[PaducahMichael]