Accuracy and my NAA Mini

[Panoply]

Hello Y'all,

First, I bought my  NAA-22MSC-P (GOD, I wish they'd name more of their firearms.  These are near impossible to remember!) only very recently.  I've been unable to find any magnum ammo (any help with a place I might buy some would be incredibly appreciated) and so have been using LR's exclusively.  That's neither here nor there.  My post is about the poor accuracy I've been experiencing.

Granted, I've put only 50 rounds through it, so I can't say I'm used to the weapon yet, but still.  My rounds impact significantly to the left of center - I'm right handed.  I believe this is due to the fact that my trigger finger wraps all the way around the gun and so, when I squeeze the trigger, it pulls the barrel to the left.  This has only recently occurred to me as being the potential problem (which is a little embarrassing as it's so obvious in hindsight) and so I've fired only 10 rounds using the tip of my index finger or the first joint of my index finger.  This increased accuracy a great deal, but is very awkward and 'unnatural' is, I suppose, the best word to describe what I mean.  It CERTAINLY wouldn't be the way I'd be firing in a life or death situation.  Self defense is the primary reason I bought this mini.  Either as a secondary for my CZ P-07 9mm or one of my TWO S&W 642's (mildly amusing story as to how I ended up with two - I'll add it as a post-script, a.k.a. a PS) OR as my primary carry weapon.  The size of the revolver, and the freaking superb inside-the-pocket holster by 'toddswendy' who market them on eBay (I can't speak highly enough to the material & craftsmanship of it!) make it ideal for certain situations.

Anyway, should I attempt to train up with it with my finger wrapped all the way around it, which comes naturally, or try to use the end or 1st knuckle to fire it?

Thanks,
Pan

[zburkett]

Of course practice, 50 rounds isn't much to master any snub nose revolver.  I couldn't hit squat with my first mini until I changed grips.  The first I made and it was just a little bit thicker than stock and helped some.  Then I found the folding grip holster which in my case improved things a lot.  There are many choices of grips that will hold your fingers in slightly different position.  There is a lot of discussion of them on this forum.  Then find with a hold that works for you.  I always use the tip of my finger to pull the trigger but everyone is different.  BTW good luck finding Mags.  I've had the same problem.  Lastly, I find my mini has become my always there gun.  They are just so easy to carry.  Good luck.

[adp3]

Shoot using both hands but grip tightest with your support hand.  That will help prevent you pushing shots to the left.  Please be certain to keep your support hand away from the barrel/cylinder gap so you don't injure yourself.

Best Regards,
ADP3

[grayelky]

I have tried the holster grip, and it just does not work for me. I like the CVang grips much better. NAA says to remove the cylinder to dry fire the revolvers. I find commercials make a great time to dry fire my guns. It gives good trigger time, is completely affordable and is almost as good as actual shooting. You will, fairly quickly, learn to maintain the proper trigger pull using the middle of your first joint. The fundamentals of shooting a small group are the same with a mini revolver as they are with a "normal" sized firearm. Of course, the mini is a little more challenging. Hang in there. You will get accustomed to the little gun, and before you know it, you will be deciding which mini you will be carrying.

As to .22 mag ammo, ammoman.com has some. At the price he is charging, you can take your time ordering it. I am sure there will not be a huge rush of customers ahead of you. Good luck in your search.

[Kentucky Kevin]

hopping to find a used mag floppy  wobbler(holster grip) shipped at an excellent price, please PM me any offers

[Lone Wolf]

I've noticed that when I shoot my mini my finger also wrapped around the trigger. Rather then trying to adjust my finger to the gun and change my finger position and then have to subconsciously remember to shoot that way in the heat of the moment I'd rather just practice shooting using the second joint on my finger where my hand and fingers naturally sit when grabbing the gun out of my boot where it normally is.

I've only owned my mini for a couple of weeks now and only have put 150rds threw it but I can consistently hit paper plates at a distance of 10yds witch in my opinion is extraordinary accuracy for as small as the barrel is.  I figure if I can hit 5 out of 5 at a paper then that's good enough to hit some vital organs if I aim center chest of a person. Even if I where to only get 2-3 shots off at 10 yards I'd Probibly hit a Lung, Hart, or very least crack a rib or two befor the person was close enough for me to have to go hand to hand with them.

I don't intend to use my mini for attackers human or non it's the smallest of three guns I carry with me at all times but it's still good to know if needed it can at least hit my mark at a relatively far distance.

[lefty dude]

Once you shoot a Mini with a CV grip, the holster grip will be History !

[Panoply]

I appreciate y'all's advice.  The folding grip is just not for me, and I like the original grips (aesthetic reasons).  Trying to grip tightly with my supporting hand is a good idea, but I like to practice both 1 hand as well as two.  I guess it makes sense to just try to train up to using it with the 'natural' position.  I can hit a target about 12" x 10" (it's an old textbook) at @ 8 feet or so (3 paces, and I'm a bit taller than average at 6' 1").  I've yet to take it to the range, I just fire out the back door into that book, which a .22 cannot ever penetrate.  Besides, I live in south Louisiana in an old home so my house is raised up about 3 feet (old-fashioned way to keep the house cooler).  No danger to my neighbors, and besides, we're still close enough to New Year's for it to be attributed to kids.  Anyway.  I want at least 4" groups at 10 feet.  I was about to say 'quick-fire' but with SA that isn't going to happen.  I can do it with my 642 and my P-07 at 10'.  I usually shoot the P-07 at 20 feet, though, and get 6" groups regularly quick-firing.

I'm skeptical of the dry fire method of solving this.  I just tried it a few times and it's hard to tell how much I'm pulling.

Yeah, what drew me to NAA was the grab and go nature of it.  My inside the waistband holster for the others are far from comfortable, and the inside the pocket one for the 642 imprints awfully.  So, for day to day it may just be me and my NAA mini.  And the other 642 in my car, of course.

I've been thinking of keeping a long gun in my car.  Maybe buy a Stoeger coach gun or something.  What do y'all think of that?  Either under the seat with a towel or similar wrapping it or just having it in the trunk.  I'm exceptionally paranoid, in case you can't tell.  I've a loaded weapon in almost every room in my house.  Concealed but easily accessible.  And no, I have no kids and when the nieces and nephews come they get stowed away.  I even bought an AR (S&W M&P15 OR with Troy folding battle sights w/ tritium) even though I'm not a fan of that type of gun.  Just to have the capacity in case the shit hit the fan.  I saw Katrina's social upheaval and hear about riots all the time.  Hell, they are rioting over a swastika smeared in shit in a men's bathroom at a university for God's sake!  That is ALL it is about!  Typical college kid silliness has become 'systematic oppression of blacks across the USA,' when our president is black and the leader of the Missouri fracas comes from a family that makes 7 figures!

Not to go too far off point, but these people - black and white & everything else - who act like this have been raised hearing about how great those who fought the REAL civil rights battles were and want to be like them.  They've got a media that's happy to comb the country for stories of white racism, and STILL can't find it!  All the while, sweeping under the rug genuine and unmistakable racially motivated crimes going the other way!  I, for one, am sick of these whiny people who will protest anything even if it's imaginary and the media that stokes them up.  White racism is DEAD, in the sense that it is as low as it can ever reasonably get anywhere and those who are racist are ostracized by everyone else and hold zero power.  They can't hurt the chances of a black man succeeding in America no matter how hard they try.  I honest to God heard one of these people say that racism against whites is impossible and that white people can be racist without knowing they are.  WTF?

Sorry.  It's late.  My apologies.
Pan

I figure 'Gimme 3 steps, mister' is about right for the NAA.  Can't expect too much.

[Uncle_Lee]

Once you shoot a Mini with a CV grip, the holster grip will be History !

I would say 90% would agree....
Cvang for firm grip and fast follow up shot.

[tocsn40]

Yes yes factory grips look cool but I like Cvang grips

[RogueTS1]

I agree with the above. The factory birds head grips are not much to hang on to and may somewhat force one's finger into the position you claim. Get some Cvang's or the Secret Service grips and the Minis feel pretty much like a J frame in the hand and make shooting these little gems a whole different experience.

As to the finger placement; I am of the opinion that a trigger should not be pulled with anything past the first joint past the fingertip if any sort of accuracy is any part of your desire. Only Hollywood Heroes can do so with any sort of reliability. It only takes a small amount of practice and training to get one's mind used to reaching with their fingertip on any type of firearm.

[Kentucky Kevin]

  The folding grip is  for me, 
keep a long gun in my car.
I figure 'Gimme 3 steps, mister' is about right for the NAA.  Can't expect too much.

I believe differently, aim small miss small(practice with golf balls, 10-20 feet, 22lr is inexpensive & point of aim w/22mag is close enough for gov work)
22 take down in car will handle most any need. I'll post some photos of the kids, they've transformed a bit

[Kentucky Kevin]

this is the group yesterday and the change to two of them,
the 4" mini master fits well in the front pocket.

[bleak_window]

Buy a set of the Black Widow rubber grips and see if your accuracy improves.  It should be a lot better.  Some minis are too small for some hands. A grip change can help a lot.

Here's some .22 Mag ammo:     http://www.gunbot.net/ammo/rimfire/22wmr/

[Blackbeard1718]

I've been thinking of keeping a long gun in my car.  Maybe buy a Stoeger coach gun or something.  What do y'all think of that?  Either under the seat with a towel or similar wrapping it or just having it in the trunk.  I'm exceptionally paranoid, in case you can't tell.  I've a loaded weapon in almost every room in my house.  Concealed but easily accessible.  Just to have the capacity in case the crap hit the fan.

How about a Compact Long Gun?  I have two that I use, that I swap out every now and then.  If I take one to the Range for Practice, the other goes into the Trunk of my car, so I always have one there.

The two I use Port & Starboard, are a Kel-Tec SU-16CA 556/223 that takes Standard AR Mags, and a Kel-Tec SUB 2000 GEN 2 9mm, that takes Glock Mags.  Both Rifles Fold, giving me a chance to Conceal a Compact Rifle in my Trunk, that takes just a second to Fold & Lock, and Ready-To-Fire.

The SU-16CA has a 20-Round Mag Loaded, a 20-Round Mag in a Butt Stock Cheek Rest Pouch, and under the Butt Stock Cheek Rest Pouch, there are two 10-Round Mags, that fit into the Hollow section of the Butt Stock (Designed that way by Kel-Tec...).  Additionally, the Handguard folds out and becomes a Bi-Pod.  Lastly, I removed the Rear Factory Sight, and installed a Tech-Sight on the Rear of the Top-Rail, set for 25yds.  Pretty COOL Rifle!

Pic of the SU-16CA:



The SUB 2000 GEN 2, also a Folder, has a 33-Round Glock Mag Loaded, and two Spare 33-Round Glock Mags with it.  I had a GEN 1 Model, and liked it, but the GEN 2 Model is so much better, in all aspects.

Pic of the GEN 1.  Don't have a Pic of the GEN 2 yet:



Paranoid?  Hmmmmmm!  Well, in addition to my Alternating Trunk-Guns, I keep a Beretta 92FS INOX in my Glovebox in Condition 1, with 2 Spare Mags, a Glock 26 in my Cargo Pants Pocket in Condition 1, with 1 Spare Mag on my Belt, and if I'm Riding my Bike, I'll switch the Glock 26 to a Glock 43, with 2 Spare Mags on my Belt.  I have a NAA PUG and NAA Black Widow, and I'll be carrying one of them as a BUG, in my front Pants Pocket.  Like you, I've got a Gun Loaded in most Rooms in my house, and are Concealed as well.  A 410 with PDX1 Shells Loaded, sits by my Bed, in addition to a Beretta 92FS INOX Compact.

Our area has grown quite a bit in the last ten years, and with that growth, comes more Crime.  Most of our Block is Elderly, and for some reason, Crimes against the Elderly have been on the rise all too much lately.  Kicking in Doors, and Beating & Stealing, are happening too often recently.  I not only want to protect my Family and Home, but my Neighbors and their Homes as well.  We all watch out for each other around here.

BE SAFE!

Cheers!

BB