Ranger II

nastruck · January-07-18 06:01

I have to wonder if NAA is not sorry they started the Ranger II project. Just a though!!!!

Uncle_Lee · January-07-18 06:01

Quote from: nastruck on January-07-18 06:01
I have to wonder if NAA is not sorry they started the Ranger II project. Just a though!!!!

Nope, don't think so.
Have to try new things in order to advance.

Some fail, some don't. Ranger II will not fail.

Might have to get the Raid out and get rid of some bugs but that is OK.
NAA will handle all the bugs for free. Free!!

OV-1D · January-07-18 06:01

It's definitely hurt the market for all the other models I figure . Some have spent their money elsewhere waiting for this Ranger 2 to transpire by buying into other manufacturers . With the Sidewinder AND the Ranger just too much too quick afterall we are just a small corner of the firearms market . General conception is most want more to hold onto when firing a gun and yeah , yeah , yeah there are bigger grips but why not increase the caliber when enlarging . Theres my four cents .

smokeless joe · January-07-18 08:01

Frustrated at times maybe, but sorry? I would have to say no. They wanted this to become a reality or they would have stopped with the first Ranger. I'm glad they kept pushing forward.

redhawk4 · January-07-18 08:01

(51 x 479) = $24,429) + (199 x 554) = $110,750 for a total of $135,179 just for the EB guns alone would make it hard to have regrets. While there have been some difficulties anyone in business releasing a new product knows it won't all go to plan, but any issues NAA have had are really minor inthe scheme of things.

Fharing · January-07-18 09:01

I think in the larger picture they will succeed. Naa has listened to it customer base. They read the forum, and respond in a timely manner. When the Ranger 2 is debugged it will be what the sidewinder should have been a flag ship . Yes I own a sidewinder, but *** there ugly. Love my Naa, love there customer service. I hope they have no regrets. I dont

Kimber1911 · January-07-18 09:01

Hay guys, the Ranger l sold for $500.00, cost to produce $1000.00. That means that NAA lost $500
each at 561guns. Do the math. They are not going to make the same mistake twice. I truly belive that
NAA is doing everything in their power to get it right this time. I for one am glade to receive the last
Early Bird produced. I know it will be RIGHT ! ! TTFN R

Jobrando · January-07-18 10:01

I m a potential ranger buyer but after the disappointing start I'm done. I made that mistake once with another brand but not again. Forums can ruin gun makers or make them prosperous. Thanks folks for making me Delay my purchase.

redhawk4 · January-07-18 10:01

There has always been plenty of demand for a Break Top NAA. The original would have been a huge success, other than the fact it proved too expensive to build relative to what they felt they could sell it for. The Ranger II will have overcome that issue and will be in full production. The Ranger II will be at the top of their product line and will obviously take some sales from other models in the lineup, but will also extend the appeal to others who've not necessarily bought NAA revolvers before. Every manufacturer of consumer goods has competing products within their range and that's to try to attract more customers by having something for everyone. One thing that's for certain in business is that if you aren't actively trying to expand, you will end up shrinking, you have to keep coming up with something new and desirable.

The firearms market in particular is an unusual one in that guns never really wear out and do not become dated in the same way other products do, so do not need to be replaced at regular intervals due to failure or obsolescence. Someone could have bought a new revolver or 1911 in the 1970's and still be using it today, because it could still pretty much everything a 2018 model can do. What the firearms market relies on is having variety of models, little tweaks and new calibers that keep us wanting to put our hands in our pockets to buy another one, awfully like the one we already have. If they only sold based on need, the market would be tiny in comparison to what it is now.

Warthog · January-07-18 14:01

I am sure NAA is happy with things now, though they are a little behind, things will eventually become a new normal for them and production will work out fine. Ranger II is a good gun and the idea of a break top which makes a reload easier and faster is sure to appeal. People who carry these days seem more concerned with being able to reload than they were, more bullets is better. I hope they also remember to make their shots count, but that is another whole subject.

Chacha77 · January-07-18 15:01

For me I want a ranger 2 in every barrel length, I wonder if they will work on different sights for them later on

Warthog · January-07-18 17:01

Well Chacha, I am waiting to see how they look before saying I will buy them. I would likely get one of each but I have to see how they look, what I can get them for and all of that kind of stuff.

Chacha77 · January-07-18 17:01

No doubt warty, as of right now I think the 2.5 in barrel would look really good and the 4 in would be a pretty sharp looking buntline, at least in my mind that's the way I'm seeing them lol

Bigbird48 · January-07-18 17:01

This probably doesn't come close to R&D costs and all the other over head costs involved in developing a new gun.

Quote from: redhawk4 on January-07-18 08:01
(51 x 479) = $24,429) + (199 x 554) = $110,750 for a total of $135,179 just for the EB guns alone would make it hard to have regrets. While there have been some difficulties anyone in business releasing a new product knows it won't all go to plan, but any issues NAA have had are really minor in the scheme of things.

Fharing · January-07-18 18:01

Add in that the new ranger2 uses wire edm extensively. Those machines start at 180k, add in programmers and the start up costs with designers and engineering, and it is obvious that our little guns will change for the better.
Our wire edm machines regularly holds .0002 tolerances.

nastruck · January-08-18 05:01

Hope no one took my question wrong. I only have 5 NAA but think they are the coolest of guns but reading the forum it seems that from the on set there has been one problem after another. Would sure as hell frustrated me!!!!

Bigbird48 · January-08-18 06:01

If you read Sandys soap box for Jan you would see there was only a couple of problems and they have all been dealt with. Problems come with the territory when launching a new product.

redhawk4 · January-08-18 14:01

Quote from: Bigbird48 on January-07-18 17:01
This probably doesn't come close to R&D costs and all the other over head costs involved in developing a new gun.

Quote from: redhawk4 on January-07-18 08:01
(51 x 479) = $24,429) + (199 x 554) = $110,750 for a total of $135,179 just for the EB guns alone would make it hard to have regrets. While there have been some difficulties anyone in business releasing a new product knows it won't all go to plan, but any issues NAA have had are really minor in the scheme of things.

Agreed as that revenue is not all profit, but with the same number set for dealers and the overall interest that the model seems to have generated I'm sure it will quickly become a profitable venture. I also think that a lot of the development was already done with the original Ranger. The differences don't appear to be many and I'm sure a lot of the thinking this time was focused on how to make it cheaper to produce, as well as perhaps NAA having newer machinery, since the Ranger I came out, that can produce some of the necessary parts more easily.

redhawk4 · January-08-18 14:01

Quote from: Bigbird48 on January-08-18 06:01
If you read Sandys soap box for Jan you would see there was only a couple of problems and they have all been dealt with. Problems come with the territory when launching a new product.

I'm sure the problems that occurred had more to do with actually mass producing the product rather than there being fundamental design issues. It's inevitable that there will be some issues at outset, even down to just getting the settings on machinery correct, can be time consuming and frustratingly produce faulty components initially. There's a learning curve for everyone at every level when you release a new product. Once they are ironed out and external suppliers know exactly what to provide and the employees become familiar with their role etc. things can quickly run like clockwork and with the tight tolerances that can be maintained these days, production can be very smooth and problem free, once the correct "formula" is found.

I know from Sandy's soapbox that he obviously anticipated there would be some hiccups, because there always are with such ventures, but I don't think the problems they experienced were huge in the scheme of things. We could also be easily misled into interpreting more into the issue because of Sandy's candid sharing of the facts. Most companies would probably just have given some vague, generic, excuse as to why there was a delay and white washed over the truth of the matter.

linux_author · January-08-18 14:01

i really like my naa mini mag and sidewinder...

and i'll be a ranger ii buyer just as soon as my dealer offers them...

willie
in the free state on the Gulf of Mexico

heyjoe · January-08-18 15:01

unless your state has constitutional carry , in my opinion you cant claim to live in a free state.

nastruck · January-08-18 15:01

Maybe I'm just pissed because I didn't get an EB!!!! LOL

linux_author · January-08-18 16:01

Quote from: heyjoe on January-08-18 15:01
unless your state has constitutional carry , in my opinion you cant claim to live in a free state.

lol... depends on what's 'free' - no income tax? low property taxes? no taxes on personal investments? no tax on Social Security payments? but yes, [state] constitutional carry would be nice... as it is, 'shall-issue' is a good thing - there are at least some hurdles on competency for concealed carry

just my $0.02

willie
on the full-carry Gulf of Mexico