Morning coffee bonus.

[Canoeal]

So, today I got a bonus with my morning coffee. The UPS guy showed up with these. I ordered them last week, after going to the range, and forgot they were coming. With shipping, about 14.75 a box...

[Ruger]

Nothing like a little sweetener in the morning.

[Mr.Mini]

Nice! I picked up a box the other day. Good stuff!

[Texduk3]

Have a second cup !!

[smokeless joe]

I only drink coffee in the morning one cup usually does it but I'll take some hornady critical defense any time of the day 

[Uncle_Lee]

First the memory starts to slip.
But it was in a good way.


Benefit:
You will be able to watch your favorite movie over and over and each time will be like the first time....

[top dog]

Canoeal,
Glad to see that you up to a nice range session.  Which mini will you be shooting that new ammo in??

                                                                        Top Dog

[Canoeal]

 I have two 22 mags, a Charter Arms Target pathfinder, and a Black Widow. I more or less use either Gold Dots (Mostly in the BW) and the Hornady's (in both) I find the Gold Dots expand a little better in the BW, but in the 4" Charter they both do well. Hornady's seem to be a little more accurate for me. So it is a toss-up, And I get what I can, and which is cheapest on that day. They both work better than any rifle round. Up to near the 1000 round range now...

Still want to find a used 22 mag rifle...Preferably a lever action...

[bearcatter]

Getting any package at breakfast time would be a bonus for me. My mail, FedEx, and UPS, in that order, all show up between one and four o'clock.

[linux_author]

i have a box of those awaiting evaluation in my Pathfinder snubby and Sidewinder... the Gold Dots are very good though, and that's what i stocked up on last week...

willie
on the Gulf of Mexico

[boots]

Those are my daily carry in my BW. I just paid $16.00 + tax so you did good.

[Canoeal]

Getting any package at breakfast time would be a bonus for me. My mail, FedEx, and UPS, in that order, all show up between one and four o'clock.

Yep, Mine usually does too...

[Honky Tonk Man]

I just saw this article about using .22 WMR for self defense in an NRA-ILA bulletin.  Apologize if it already posted.  NAA Pug was the weapon they analyzed loads in. 

https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2018/8/23/using-22-magnum-for-self-defense/

[Uncle_Lee]

Makes me love my Black Widows and Pug even more....

[Canoeal]

Makes me love my Black Widows and Pug even more....

Yep, that test was from a Pug. Imagine how much more effective out of your 2' barreled BW...or out of my Charter 4" barreled house mouse...

[Canoeal]

BTW that was written by the same guy who wrote this:

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/6/8/the-22-magnum-for-self-defense

I was blasted by two members of the forum for using his data... the now blocked Harry, and Bill D. I seems like some of the info is still the same no matter how it is tested. That and 4 or 5 other tests, including Shooting Bull's, is why I chose the BW over the smaller, easier concealed, Pug. And of course, I can actually aim a BW...

[Boisesteve]

Every firearm/ammo combination is a new experiment, and the results someone else gets might generalize and might not.
My 1 5/8" barrel 22mag mini gets 950 fps out of 40 gr. Gold Dot and 1038 fps out of 45gr. Hornady Crit. Defense.  Better than the magazine writer got from his 1" Pug, and probably good enough to expand, but I only have a chrono and don't have the ability to test in gelatin so I don't know for sure.
But with 22mag I'm not looking for expansion, I want penetration: if I ever have to use this little gun in self defense, I at least want it to go deep enough to hit something important. It's what I carry.
BTW there's plenty of writers out there who think highly of the 22mag, and some are even pretty respectable authorities!
Be well all, Steve in Boise
PS   this reply was darn hard to type; Buddy the Cat keeps head-butting my hands. Only one dead mouse today, his hunting season must be winding down.

[top dog]

Canoeal,
Nice combination you have there.  I hope that you had a good range session.

                                                               Top Dog

[Canoeal]

There is still something I do not wholly understand. The Pug gets, depending on the tester, between 750 and 900 fps and about 70 ft lbs of energy. The BW with it's 2' barrel gets 1050-1150 fps and 100-115 ft lbs of energy from the same ammo. Other than its size, why would you choose a Pug and lose valuable velocity? Not wanting to start a fight, just trying to understand. A BW fits in most pockets, as does a Pug...and if you want less print you can put Pug grips on a BW...Trying to learn something new every day, and understand how people think...

TD, Yes I did enjoy the range session. Thanks.

Steve, if you want to know if the velocity is enough to expand your bullet choice, stack four gallon jugs filled with water, back to back. Shooting them will give you an idea of the penetration, no not precisely, and let you see what expansion you might get. Give it a try if you can. It is not perfect, but you will get some idea.

[smokeless joe]

There is still something I do not wholly understand. The Pug gets. depending on the tester, between 750 and 900 fps and about 70 ft lbs of energy. The BW with it's 2' barrel gets 1050-1150 fps and 100-115 ft lbs of energy from the same ammo. Other than its size, why would you choose a Pug and lose valuable velocity? Not wanting to start a fight, just trying to understand. A BW fits in most pockets, as does a Pug...and if you want less print you can put Pug grips on a BW...Trying to learn something new every day, and understand how people think...

I keep it simple. I've never bought any of my minis based on velocities. I like one I buy one, simple as that. When I saw the Pug for the first time I wanted it. I bought it and have been super happy with it and all my other NAA's including my Black Widow.

[Canoeal]

And that is a perfectly good answer. Not better somehow, just "What I wanted".

My logic has been and is, because I will likely only ever have 1 or 2, to get the best possible compromise between performance and concealability. That led me to my BW. I can't easily carry a 3 or 4 inch barrel, and I wanted the best performance in a pocket carry. Maybe I am too serious. The other one I am looking at now is a  1.6 " Mag  Ellett Bros w/trit front sight...Second possible is a BO II Mag.

[smokeless joe]

And that is a perfectly good answer. Not better somehow, just "What I wanted".

My logic has been and is, because I will likely only ever have 1 or 2, to get the best possible compromise between performance and concealability. That led me to my BW. I can't easily carry a 3 or 4 inch barrel, and I wanted the best performance in a pocket carry. Maybe I am too serious. The other one I am looking at now is a  1.6 " Mag  Ellett Bros w/trit front sight...Second possible is a BO II Mag.

When my wife buys a car she does research like a nasa engineer. She looks at every statistic she can get her hands on so she can make an informed decision and that's ok. That's how she likes to do it and that's how her family has always done it. Me I buy what I like. I don't care about what kind of mileage I'm gonna get or what the cost of maintenance will be over such and such period of time. Mostly I buy Mustangs because that is my dream car. We do things different her and I and that's what makes us individuals.

[Canoeal]

And that is a perfectly good answer. Not better somehow, just "What I wanted".

My logic has been and is, because I will likely only ever have 1 or 2, to get the best possible compromise between performance and concealability. That led me to my BW. I can't easily carry a 3 or 4 inch barrel, and I wanted the best performance in a pocket carry. Maybe I am too serious. The other one I am looking at now is a  1.6 " Mag  Ellett Bros w/trit front sight...Second possible is a BO II Mag.

When my wife buys a car she does research like a nasa engineer. She looks at every statistic she can get her hands on so she can make an informed decision and that's ok. That's how she likes to do it and that's how her family has always done it. Me I buy what I like. I don't care about what kind of mileage I'm gonna get or what the cost of maintenance will be over such and such period of time. Mostly I buy Mustangs because that is my dream car. We do things different her and I and that's what makes us individuals.

\\

Yep that is me too.

[Ruger]

My lovely wife buys all of our cars.  Like Joe's, she researches what she wants, knows all of the details, etc.  But the best part is when she negotiates with the sales guy and sales manager. She is ruthless.  I am always ready to buy a couple thousands more than she is.  "Get me a cup of coffee", and they run and get it for her.  She is to the point and knows how they figure things.  One time she took me in with her for what the sales guy thought was a final deal just so she could pound on him for trying to manipulate the numbers and throw her off the actual pricing.  Bad move on his part.  I just shrugged my shoulders when he looked my way during the brow beating.  We left; never bought the car.  I swear I should rent her out to help others buy cars.  I love it.

[Boisesteve]

howdy Al,
Good idea about the water jugs,  I can do that one!  ('way better than setting up giant gelatin molds in our tiny condo, no less where would I keep the gelatin once molded).
If you are interested in that Ellett special in that barrel length, get on it!  I just got my fourth total mini a few weeks ago and that's the one!  Haven't had a day to take 'er out to the range yet, but with the oversize NAA wood grips I installed it feels good in hand and that sight is sure an improvement. 
When I bought it the guy at the gun shop told me after I paid that the computer at Elletts was saying there was only FOUR left of that model and I was getting one.  The combo LR/mag model listed in that length is all gone.
Be well and good luck,  Steve in Boise

PS  on the topic of 22mag, interesting reading:
www.activeresponsetraining.net/what-about-the-22-magnum?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ActiveResponseTraining+%28Active+Response+Training%29

[Doc Holliday]

That "Veteran" jailer referred to in the article on the 22 for self defense was an idiot! If an inmate got the gun..suddenly the situation becomes more dangerous for everyone! There is a reason why weapons are not permitted in jails or prisons!
Doc Holliday

[Canoeal]

"But with 22mag I'm not looking for expansion, I want penetration: if I ever have to use this little gun in self defense, I at least want it to go deep enough to hit something important. It's what I carry."

Left the 22 lr, the 25 acps, and the 32s in the store, because I wanted both. I wanted penetration and expansion. I know that is a lot to ask, but testing seemed to show the 22 mag out of a 2" barrel got me that. So I looked at Charter snubbies ,and the LCR, and then I found the Black Widow and I said "A 2" barrel I can carry in my pocket... That is what I want."
I did buy a 4" CA because that too looked like it would do what I wanted. Different purpose.

[Canoeal]

Ok, so after talking about the water jug test I got one in today. I was going to do all four (BW with GD, and Critiical defense; CATP with the same) but My neighbor came Home so I had to quit. This was the Gold Dot out of my BW. Found in third jug; it dented the back of that jug, but did not go through and had full expansion. Pretty much what I expected...

[Boisesteve]

Thanks Al, you not only did the test, you published the result. Nothing better than a photo showing what happened... unless you're the professional media, in which case there's photoshop and you can't even trust what you see.
And yeah, I also prefer to carry the 22mag, but I like the combo cylinder for the low practice cost of the 22LR.  It's good that they offer them.
Be well, Steve in Boise

[Canoeal]

I can adjust photos as to cropping, light, color and clarity, but I do not photoshop... to much trouble for me and programs are expensive.

[OV-1D]

  Canoeal its all in the pixels under editing , down size the number of pixels its on all computers I believe .

[Canoeal]

  Canoeal its all in the pixels under editing , down size the number of pixels its on all computers I believe .

Photoshop is altering photos to change whats in them: adding a person who wasn't there is common, as is taking out distractions. Changing picture size is easy in Paint, on this laptop. I do all my photo work on a laptop. It is called photoshop, because that was the first readily accepted program to do this work. My cell is a flip phone and I now do have one.

[Canoeal]

I found a good way to use a common (for me) item to hold seven 22 mag rounds in a hard little dry case. The white liner is a moisture absorbent, and there's is some room for a little foam in the bottom for padding. Very solid containers that cost me nothing. Some of you will recognize it right away, for the rest, you might need to know a diabetic...

[smokeless joe]

I wonder if a film case would work as well. With everything going digital do they even have film any more?

For me this morning just coffee, no bonus

[Canoeal]

A 35mm film can is a bit larger, so it will hold a different amount of ammo, and it does not have the moisture removing liner... I will check as I was a 35mm holdout..go figure.