ordered my first can

[linux_author]

stupid tax stamp was more than the can! oh well, maybe this time next year it'll get out of jail... used one of the new kiosks, which made the paperwork, fingerprinting, photo, etc. a lot easier

stupid @#%@%! government!

willie
on the Gulf of Mexico

[autofull]

yup, welcome to the world of c3. that is why i became a dealer more than 40yrs ago. i bought a mac 10 in 9mm with a dater can. the sub was 90 bucks the can 60 and as you know, the tax was 400. wait time was, well, 20days. ahhh, the old days.

[linux_author]

!@$$%%@!#!!!

[autofull]

im sorry guy. im old, into guns fer over , well along time. things really were better then. put it out of yer mind and well, the time will pass.

[linux_author]

im sorry guy. im old, into guns fer over , well along time. things really were better then. put it out of yer mind and well, the time will pass.

[autofull]

excellent dude.  kevin

[top dog]

My latest tax stamp for the Ruger ISB was almost 8 months exactly.
A previous stamp back in 2008 was 90 days.

From what I have heard,the ATF/NFA unit is getting 1,000 applications a day.

President Trump had added an extra 25 agents to help handle the increased load.

                                                                                                      Top Dog

[rattlehead]

My last form 4 took a year.
My last form 1 took less than 30 days start to finish.

Wish they'd figure out how to get those form 4 wait times down into that range. Or better yet, get rid of the NFA altogether.

[RogueTS1]

Welcome Linux to the Class 3 World. You will enjoy. I second Autofull's sentiments on costs and wait times. Before the internet it would take me about 3 weeks for wait times on a tax stamp. Those where the days. Of course though, we did not have the kiosks of today so the paperwork took a tad longer to get together. I really miss the old wait times. If we could get the ATF to bring the wait times down to what they used to be and add in the kiosk paperwork we would have it made in our Class 3 endeavors.

Welcome again and you will enjoy once it comes in. 

[Rick_Jorgenson]

My latest tax stamp for the Ruger ISB was almost 8 months exactly.
A previous stamp back in 2008 was 90 days.

From what I have heard,the ATF/NFA unit is getting 1,000 applications a day.

President Trump had added an extra 25 agents to help handle the increased load.

                                                                                                      Top Dog

I found some info on staffing at ATF.  If they hired 25 this year it still would not bring it to 2016 level.  Number of Special agents declined from 2016 to 2018 by 45 according to ATF.gov (Ref 1) (I did not find credible info on 2019 at this time.)

With gun sales being greater than most previous years (exp. 2016) that has to put an incredible strain on all background checks.

As of 2018 NFA is receiving/processing in the neighborhood of 300,00 a year (that's with less Special Agents) (Ref 2)

While on the ATF website I found a section that reports arrests and convictions of investigated individuals.  It is quite impressive what ATF/NFA does get accomplished with the number of agents they have. (Ref 3)

So.... I'm cutting them some slack for the amount of time they take doing anything (JMHO) they have a big job to do with what I see as "to few resources" of Special Agents and funds.

We all want our "Toys" right now, I do as well. I have/give no argument one way or the other as far as if the "tax" should exist or not.  I have a set of rules to go by at this time set by a law enforcement agency and will follow them (I'm to pretty to go to jail) lol!! 

References...
(Ref 1)  https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-staffing-and-budget
(Ref 2) https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-national-firearms-act-nfa-division
(Ref 3) https://www.atf.gov/news/press-releases

[OV-1D]

  I agree with you Rick 100% due to the fact I'm too old and tired to start any new relationships in jail or otherwise . Ha . Whatever it is it is and GOD bless they haven't put some moratorium temporally on buying any and all guns which they could at a moments notice and still be within their discretion to do so legally . If it wasn't a good part (gun sales) of an ongoing economic recovery things could be very different especially if a democrat was in power . So count our blessings .  

[Rick_Jorgenson]

  I agree with you Rick 100% due to the fact I'm too old and tired to start any new relationships in jail or otherwise . Ha . Whatever it is it is and GOD bless they haven't put some moratorium temporally on buying any and all guns which they could at a moments notice and still be within their discretion to do so legally . If it wasn't a good part (gun sales) of an ongoing economic recovery things could be very different especially if a democrat was in power . So count our blessings .

[autofull]

im sorry dude, im old, things really really were better back then. kevin in pa. oh, at least cans cost more than the tax now.

[RogueTS1]

I do not know how/what they are doing for these background checks but there is a way to do it much the same way a NICS check is done when one goes to buy a new firearm. If they have your file on file they should be able to run a quick everyday background check to make sure you have not committed any felonies since your last NFA item and send your tax stamp a few days later.

It does not take weeks or months to do a background check; no matter how many hundreds of thousands applications they have. 

[autofull]

i agree, now, can we get them to also.

[OV-1D]

I do not know how/what they are doing for these background checks but there is a way to do it much the same way a NICS check is done when one goes to buy a new firearm. If they have your file on file they should be able to run a quick everyday background check to make sure you have not committed any felonies since your last NFA item and send your tax stamp a few days later.

It does not take weeks or months to do a background check; no matter how many hundreds of thousands applications they have. 

  Rogue that makes entirely too much sense for the Federal government . Why do it the smart way when there are so many stupid ways to do it . I suppose its job security keeping it complicated to justify their miserable low I.Q. jobs .

[Uncle_Lee]

If it was easy and fast, everyone would be in on it.

[heyjoe]

If it was easy and fast, everyone would be in on it.

i have no interest in one but it should be easy and fast for those that do.

[Bjt140]

Congrats!

I am hoping to add one asap as well. Hoping there isn't a flood of applications now, hate the idea of buying something I can have for a year!

[RogueTS1]

Prepare to wait long enough to forget you bought something when it comes to a Form 4. Form 1 and it can be as little as a few weeks to maybe a  month and a half. 

[Bjt140]

RogueTS1- Can you buy from a shop and do a form 1? I'd be more than happy to go that route if possible! Thanks

[linux_author]

tks, folks - yes, i'm the patient type of person, but i don't like being gouged by the federal government... there is no reason a $150 piece of machined aluminum and steel should have a tax of 133% - that's absurd...

btw, i used one of those automated kiosks... it did the photo, fingerprints, and forms, very convenient, and i just 'docu-signed' through my web browser last night... so now the wait begins...

off to the range this morning after breakfast

willie
on the Gulf of Mexico

[autofull]

guy, you are so correct. the 1934 law was used to keep just a few dirt bags from buying stuff and we all still suffer from that decision.

[heyjoe]

tks, folks - yes, i'm the patient type of person, but i don't like being gouged by the federal government... there is no reason a $150 piece of machined aluminum and steel should have a tax of 133% - that's absurd...

btw, i used one of those automated kiosks... it did the photo, fingerprints, and forms, very convenient, and i just 'docu-signed' through my web browser last night... so now the wait begins...

off to the range this morning after breakfast

willie
on the Gulf of Mexico

that $200 dollars goes back to 1934. the purpose of the tax at that time was to prevent the ordinary person from being able to afford buying a covered item. it 2019 dollars that would be thousands.  ($3,800)

[RogueTS1]

RogueTS1- Can you buy from a shop and do a form 1? I'd be more than happy to go that route if possible! Thanks

Sorry but no. A Form 1 is for when is constructing the device themselves. A Form 4 is when one is buying an already constructed and serialized device. If you want to build the can yourself you could do a Form 1. (It is fairly easy to do so with outsourced supplies these days and then a minimum of finishing work at the home workshop.)

[linux_author]

well, just got word that the paperwork is complete and off to Club Fed...

i think i'll take some of the sage advice here and just forget about the can... then it will be like Christmas when it gets out of jail...

next @#%%! year!

:-)

willie
on the Gulf of Mexico

[OV-1D]

  Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha, I'm sorry Linux . its a cruel world when it comes to government actions . If you start seeing brand new black SUV's sitting around or following you its your's and mine tax dollars at work . Heck they have permanent campsites close to Rogue and Autofull . Yeah and they thought it was a pizza guy lurking around , RIGHHTTT .   

[riadat]

if everyone moves they will finally have the state they want.

[grayelky]

if everyone moves they will finally have the state they want.

But, I am there, now. Do I have to move?