Just Got New Break Top !!!!

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BT00072

[grayelky]

Congrats on locating one!!

[flyinbiker2001]

Sandy Make a LR- if you make it they will buy ,LR is the most pop round in the world hell talked myself into it Im your first sale

[grayelky]

I suspect making a LR cylinder would be a little more expensive than for the regular Minis. If you really want Sandy's attention, start a thread to see how much folks would really pay to get a LR cylinder for their Break Top. I suspect it will be closer to $100 than $50. Look at one closely. There is more machine work involved. Once the BT goes into full production (I personally think it will), THEN you may stand a better chance of seeing a LR cylinder.

[jaydeeman]

Woops!  Forgot to post earlier. The BT and I say BT is performing OK but is a little tight but time and shooting will take care of that.  By the way, I've got BT00132 and thinking about getting #2.  

   

   Jaydeeman

[flyinbiker2001]

I cant see how a Long rifle chamber would take more work I would think less you would drill less same gun different hole

[cedarview kid]

So, I'm curious, now that the lower serials are making it to dealers, did the ones we Early-Bird buyers get have more fine-tuning, because they were closer to the end of the first 200 produced? Interesting.

[grayelky]

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   I cant see how a Long rifle chamber would take more work I would think less you would drill less same gun different hole

I may be wrong, and it won't be the first time, but a different ejector will also have to be built, and possibly a different chamber reamer because of the ejector.

[45flint]

Naa Collector, I was wondering the same thing. It is curious to me what they changed. Sandy says dimensions?  If it was a internal safety issue they would probably have to recall ours.  Did they correct it before ours and that is why we got the later ones.  Hard for me to believe they needed 70 guns as a test.  Is the demensional issue just for looks?  Hard to believe as well.  Sure makes you wonder.  I certainly can't see any thing that I would change on my gun but can't look inside.  

   Steve

[grayelky]

It is curious folks like us - and I do include me - that keeps manufactures from disclosing stuff like Sandy did. You can bet just about every model gets a handful- or 2, put together and then the engineers don't like this or that and change it. It may take a micrometer or a caliper to find the changes. It also would not surprise me to find the guy on the assembly line found something the engineer(s) missed, brought it to their attention, thus generating a delay we all bitched.

   

   If it were a safety issue, they would not have released them. Or, if released, a recall would have already been issued. Any company willing to retrofit all the works of a product 20+ years old will not hesitate to recall any product for a safety issue. Maybe that is why we got higher numbers than expected. They had to retrofit some of the earlier guns to the newer specs. Perhaps we did get the best of the best!!

[flyinbiker2001]

I was of the impression that the only differance was the legnth of the chamber, is the dia different or the rim ? as a kid I had a 22 mag Colt SS rifle and after firing LR's for a bit it would not chamber mag's till cleaned  Rob

[grayelky]

Flyinbiker2001-

   Look closely at a .22 LR cartridge and a .22 Mag Cartridge. The LR case is the same diameter of the the .22 bullet. The bullet itself is referred to as a "heeled" bullet, in that the portion inside the case is smaller than the portion you can see. The .22 Mag bullet is like the majority of other bullets we shoot: It is the same size from the base to the point where it starts to form the nose, thus the base of the bullet sits inside the .22 mag case. Look carefully and you will notice the .22 mag case comes up and over the bullet, and is rolled crimped into it The .22 LR case comes up to a point on the bullet and stops. Also, place the 2 cartridges base to base, and the .22 mag is ever so slightly larger in diameter. You can verify this by removing the mag cylinder from the gun and dropping the LR cartridge into a chamber, and in the one next to it, drop in a .22 mag cartridge. You can see how the LR case head is a little smaller. This is why you should not fire a LR round in a mag chamber. Since the case is not supported properly, and, it cannot expand enough to fit the steel cylinder walls, sometimes it will rupture and let gas escape back into areas you do not want hot gas and brass particles escaping to. The reason you got away with it was a nicely made firearm. I suspect you saw some accuracy issues - or should have. The reason you had to clean the chamber to change to the Mag is the length of the LR case, being shorter than the mag case, let powder residue build up in the chamber and the then the mag case could not seat. Similar to shooting a .38 sp in a .357 MAG chamber. Of course, there is no danger in interchanging those rounds.

[rjtravel]

I wouldn't recommend this, but others habitually use .22 lr in their mag chambers by dremelling off the head of a mag case and inserting the lr in the mag case.  There is approx .016 diff in diameter and it is a tight fit, but can be done.  I have experimented and know that one should cut the head off only on the mag and leave the tapered full length case intact.  If you cut off the mag case to match the lr you run the risk of blowing the underlying case into the barrel and creating a .016 thou obstruction - not good.  I myself will use the ammo for which it is designed, but many others do this and it is a good thing to know if the need were to arise.

   Richard

[Dinadan]

Grayelky,

       Regarding LRs in the mag chamber, you mention the possibility  

   of the LR case rupturing and having a gas and brass blowback.

   I have seen many warning about that, but have you or anyone  

   else reading this actually known of it happening? I also used  

   to occasionally shoot 22 shorts out of a mag chamber: a  

   HI Standard Derringer, and I never had a problem. As everyone

   else says, I do not recommend it. Besides, the hammer on my pug

   does not strike deep enough to fire a short in the mag chamber ... oh

   yeah, I was not going to mention that! Actually, my LR cylinder arrived today,  

   so I will try it out this weekend.

[grayelky]

Rjtravel-

   I have heard of that, but never tried it. It is good to know to keep in the back of my mind, should the need arise. Like you, I would not recommend it.

   

   Dinadin-

   I have not had the gas/brass blow back happen, but I have had LR cases rupture length wise in my Ruger Single Six. No harm was done, but even my 20 something year old mind realized something was not right, and I should find out what and why. That is when I learned the info I posted. Yes, you can get away with it, but I would reserve it for only emergencies, such as I was stranded in the wilderness with the wrong ammo/cylinder. When I tried it, I was just curious. I could not see what the problem was. I even shot a couple of cylinders full before I saw the problem. I have not done it since.

[rjtravel]

A long time ago I did try various .22s in a mag rifle.  Good thing I was wearing eye protection - many of the rounds emitted surprisingly powerful gas blowback.  Back then I didn't realize how potent .22 blowback really is - even from a CB cap.  It could hurt you badly.  In respect to case rupture I did have a split case lodged mid-barrel.  It took an hour or more to dislodge it.  Don't know what would have happened if I had not noticed it.  A couple or 3 thousandths means little, but this was the full .016 obstruction.  A .22 is much more potent than what you might think...I suspect it would split the barrel - or worse.  The introduction of the .22 mag seems to me to have been very, very foolish given that you can shoot regular .22s and risk serious injury.  Even the CB and BB cap gas can cause real injury.  

   Richard

[flyinbiker2001]

and now I know the rest of the story thanx elk

[flyinbiker2001]

Sandy if you build it they will come    LR is the most Popular round in the world and would be a plinkers dream  all in favor say aye

[lohman446]

Skip the "aye" - I would put money down.