NAAs starting to multiply

[Talldog]

I bought my first ever NAA, a Black Widow conversion, last month. During my first range trip, my wife shot a few cylinders and really liked it, and I'm thinking hmmm... She (sometimes) purse carries a Ruger LCRx 3" .22WMR, but I wish she'd carry more often.

Anyway, last week I had to be out while we had strangers coming to the house to pick up some junk furniture and I was uncomfortable about leaving her alone. I didn't want her trying to hide that Ruger on her body because she's small and she's not used to carrying like that. Since I was carrying my G26 I gave her the BW in the little NAA leather holster, and she stuck it inside her waistband and said "Wow, this is really comfortable."

So I'm out going about my business and I get a text, " Those guys have come and gone. BTW, thanks for my new carry gun."

Ruh roh!

I asked her if she would actually carry a BW regularly and she said she would, so today we came home from our LGS with a second BW conversion. She needs to clean it and practice loading/unloading it under my supervision, then we'll head out to the range.

Ahh...good times, good times.

[billmeek]

Don't let your wife see the "cute little NAA Pug" or the multiplication may continue shortly. <grin>

[grayelky]

I urge you to use extreme caution! I had a single NAA from 1976 or 1977, until the Wasp came out in about 2010. I now have closer to 25 or 30. You have been cautioned!

[smokeless joe]

Yes they are as bad as rabbits 

[Honky Tonk Man]

That's great Talldog.  I find my wife's a lot more willing to go along with a plan when she thinks it's her idea.  This could turn into a good hobby for both of you.  My daughter who lives in FL is showing interest in carrying.  Now my wife is thinking she might take a class with her when we visit this Winter.  Good shooting!

[bearcatter]

Yes they are as bad as rabbits 

Don't you wish you could put a couple in a drawer, wait a while, and then have ten?

[OV-1D]

  Make sure its dark and a bottle of Viagra in there with them . Oh and don't forget the checkbook .

[smokeless joe]

Yes they are as bad as rabbits 

Don't you wish you could put a couple in a drawer, wait a while, and then have ten?

I did I put my Black Widow in a drawer with a mini mag that's where my Pug came from 

[top dog]

TallDog,
See?  Didn't I tell you they would "multiply"??

Glad to see that all is working out well.

Let us know how the wife does on the range.

                                                  Wayne

[Talldog]

TallDog,
See?  Didn't I tell you they would "multiply"??

Glad to see that all is working out well.

Let us know how the wife does on the range.

                                                  Wayne

She's already cleaned it, and now I have her practicing removing and reinserting the cylinder. I'm not comfortable with inserting the cylinder with the hammer half cocked, then having to pull the trigger while dropping the hammer. The way I do it is to insert the cylinder with the hammer down with a safety notch lined up with the hammer, then put a smidge of pressure on the hammer while rolling the cylinder in, then insert the pin. It works very well and seems much safer to me, but for a girly-girl like my wife, it takes practice and repetition. She's getting pretty good, but there won't be any live ammo in that gun until it's second nature.

[RogueTS1]

TallDog,
See?  Didn't I tell you they would "multiply"??

Glad to see that all is working out well.

Let us know how the wife does on the range.

                                                  Wayne

She's already cleaned it, and now I have her practicing removing and reinserting the cylinder. I'm not comfortable with inserting the cylinder with the hammer half cocked, then having to pull the trigger while dropping the hammer. The way I do it is to insert the cylinder with the hammer down with a safety notch lined up with the hammer, then put a smidge of pressure on the hammer while rolling the cylinder in, then insert the pin. It works very well and seems much safer to me, but for a girly-girl like my wife, it takes practice and repetition. She's getting pretty good, but there won't be any live ammo in that gun until it's second nature.

Talldog; placing/removing the cylinder in this fashion is a quick and easy way to damage the bolt and hand of the pistol.    It was designed to be done at half cock where both these parts are not locked in place and exposed. Most SA revolvers are designed so.

[Canoeal]

Yeah doing it that way, I see a gun going back to NAA for repair...

[Texron]

Talldog, mine is a similar story. Now, I have bought 3 Black Widows. My wife and my daughter each have their own now. By the way, they do have their carry license.

[top dog]

TallDog,
Glad to see you got the wife into the act.

To repeat the above,the only way to remove the cylinder is with the hammer in the half cock notch.  The factory recommend no other way.

                                                                                Top Dog

[Talldog]

TallDog,
Glad to see you got the wife into the act.

To repeat the above,the only way to remove the cylinder is with the hammer in the half cock notch.  The factory recommend no other way.

                                                                                Top Dog

There is quite a bit of stuff online about rolling the cylinder in, and in fact, Hickok45 has a YouTube video of his 20 year old mini revolver, and that's how he does it (actually, his just goes right in without rolling), apparently without any undue wear. I'm going to call NAA on Monday to get their perspective. I would appreciate if someone could explain exactly what stress or wear is being caused by this method. When I do it with mine, it slides right in like a hot knife through butter, and I'm not feeling any stress or pressure.

In any event, there's no way I'm letting my 105lb girly-girl wife drop the hammer anywhere except at the range with the gun pointed safely downrange. That just strikes me as an accident waiting to happen.

[Canoeal]

Yes they are as bad as rabbits 

Don't you wish you could put a couple in a drawer, wait a while, and then have ten?

I do...

[RogueTS1]

I have seen the video of Hickock45 doing so and cringed every time he did it. I am not saying one cannot do it. I was saying that it is not proper and that it places strain on the main components that move, hold and time the cylinder. If this is to get warped/broken one may end up blowing up the cylinder on their gun.

In most single action revolvers when one cocks the hammer the hand comes out of the back of the frame underneath the firing pin area on the left of the gun and pushes up on the cylinder causing it to rotate. As it does this it locks in place to hold the cylinder in place for firing and remains there holding the cylinder in place after firing until the hammer is once again cocked.

At the same time this is happening the bolt, located on the floor of the frame unlocks and lowers into the frame allowing the groove on the cylinder to be freed and allowed to rotate. At full cock the bolt locks in place to hold the cylinder, in yet another location, so as to be safely fired and remains so until the hammer is once again cocked and thus releasing it.

The last thing would be for those SA revolvers with the firing pin located on the hammer. When the hammer drops the firing pin protrudes from the frame so as to strike the rim or primer of the cartridge while it sits in the cylinder and locks into place until the hammer is once again drawn back. Hence the reason a SA revolver should not be carried on a loaded chamber. If something hits the hammer it will drive it forward and fire the round in the chamber.

When one leaves the hammer forward or fully cocked on a SA revolver and pulls the cylinder from the gun one puts force on small parts in manners they were not designed to take force in. They may be ok but they are metal and sooner or later will wear or bend back and forth leading to fracture much in the same way a paper clip is easily broken by bending it back and forth.

SA revolvers are not for those faint of heart or faint of experience. They require more than a little bit of training and concentration when it comes to loading and unloading.

I think that is about as well as I can explain it without photos. I hope this has been helpful.

[LHB]

If you load, or shoot a full sized single action revolver, you are going to have to hold the hammer while pulling the trigger and lowering the hammer, the same as any hammer single shot shotgun, or and of the traditional (pre lawyer influence) lever or pump action hammer rifles that don't have safeties.

Hickok may have had that NAA for "20" years, but just how much has he shot it?  Remember one of his videos, where he had one heck of a time trying to load an NAA.   He, like many you tubers, is not infallible.

[Uncle_Lee]

In 1976 I bought a pair of short minis.
Then the Earl came out (I don't remember the year) and I bought a pair of those.
I totally fell in love.
Now I have many, many pairs.

[bearcatter]

In 1976 I bought a pair.....
and I bought a pair of those......I totally fell in love.
Now I have many, many pairs.

I guess with the same reasoning that I have in owning two identical Bearcats. When you have a gun you really really like, a second one makes sense, just in case.....

[top dog]

Uncle Lee,
Seems you buy things in pairs.  You don't happen to have an ark do you???

Like I have said many times before,these good gadgets seem to "multiply"

                                                                       Top Dog

[Uncle_Lee]

No ark. Just shoe boxes.

If you want them to multiply, don't load them with rubber bullets...

[top dog]

Uncle Lee,
I have heard about those bullets.

You must have several large shoeboxes now filled with those NAA minis.

Like I have said before,I don't ever remember a person just having one mini.  They get their first one and then another..................


                                                                                         Top Dog

[Canoeal]

I still only have one......But it is a good one.

[smokeless joe]

I still only have one......But it is a good one.

It is a good one Al. Do you have plans to expand your collection in the future? I know you have more important things that need attention first of course.

[Canoeal]

If I ever get caught up...

[smokeless joe]

If I ever get caught up...

I hope you do.