Are you oneof the lucky ones? Only 31%still alive. I am.

OLD and GRUMPY · October-13-22 06:10

Found this on the Ruger forum. It's long.

SOBERING STATISTICS FOR THE VIETNAM WAR*

In case you haven't been paying attention these past few decades after you returned from Vietnam, the clock has been ticking. The following are some statistics that are at once depressing yet in a larger sense should give you a HUGE SENSE OF PRIDE.

"Of the 2,709,918 Americans who served in Vietnam, Less than 850,000 are estimated to be alive today, with the youngest American Vietnam veteran's age approximated to be 60 years old."
So, if you're alive and reading this, how does it feel to be among the last 1/3rd of all the U.S. Vets who served in VietNam? I don't know about you guys, but it kinda gives me the chills, Considering this is the kind of information I'm used to reading about WWII and Korean War vets...
So the last 14 years we are dying too fast, only the few will survive by 2025...if any. If true, 390 VN vets die a day. So in 2190 days...from today, lucky to be a Vietnam veteran alive... in only 6-10 years.

These statistics were taken from a variety of sources to include: The VFW Magazine, the Public Information Office, and the HQ CP Forward Observer - 1st Recon April 12, 1997.

*STATISTICS FOR INDIVIDUALS IN UNIFORM AND IN COUNTRY VIETNAM VETERANS: *

9,087,000 military personnel served on active duty during the Vietnam Era (August 5, 1964 - May 7, 1975).

8,744,000 GIs were on active duty during the war (Aug 5, 1964-March 28, 1973).

2,709,918 Americans served in Vietnam, this number represents 9.7% of their generation.

3,403,100 (Including 514,300 offshore) personnel served in the broader Southeast Asia Theater (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, flight crews based in Thailand, and sailors in adjacent South China Sea waters).

2,594,000 personnel served within the borders of South Vietnam (Jan. 1, 1965 - March 28, 1973). Another 50,000 men served in Vietnam between 1960 and 1964.

Of the 2.6 million, between 1-1.6 million (40-60%) either fought in combat, provided close support or were at least fairly regularly exposed to enemy attack.

7,484 women (6,250 or 83.5% were nurses) served in Vietnam.

Peak troop strength in Vietnam: 543,482 (April 30, 1968).

Agent Orange is taking a huge toll on Vietnam Veterans with most deaths somehow related to Agent Orange exposure. No one officially dies of Agent Orange, they die from the exposure which causes ischemic Heart Disease and failure, Lung Cancer, Kidney failure or COPD related disorders.

CASUALTIES:

The first man to die in Vietnam was James Davis, in 1958. He was with the 509th Radio Research Station. Davis Station in Saigon was named for him.

Hostile deaths: 47,378

Non-hostile deaths: 10,800

Total: 58,202 (Includes men formerly classified as MIA and Mayaguez casualties). Men who have subsequently died of wounds account for the changing total.

8 nurses died -- 1 was KIA.

61% of the men killed were 21 or younger.

11,465 of those killed were younger than 20 years old.

Of those killed, 17,539 were married.

Average age of men killed: 23.1 years

Total Deaths: 23.11 years

Enlisted: 50,274; 22.37 years

Officers: 6,598; 28.43 years

Warrants: 1,276; 24.73 years

E1: 525; 20.34 years

Five men killed in Vietnam were only 16 years old.

The oldest man killed was 62 years old.

Highest state death rate: West Virginia - 84.1% (national average 58.9% for every 100,000 males in 1970).

Wounded: 303,704 -- 153,329 hospitalized + 150,375 injured requiring no hospital care.

Severely disabled: 75,000, -- 23,214: 100% disabled; 5,283 lost limbs; 1,081 sustained multiple amputations.

Amputation or crippling wounds to the lower extremities were 300% higher than in WWII and 70% higher than Korea.

Multiple amputations occurred at the rate of 18.4% compared to 5.7% in WWII.

Missing in Action: 2,338

POWs: 766 (114 died in captivity)

As of January 15, 2014, there are 1,875 Americans still unaccounted for, from the Vietnam War.

DRAFTEES VS. VOLUNTEERS:

25% (648,500) of total forces in country were draftees. (66% of U.S. armed forces members were drafted during WWII).

Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam.

Reservists killed: 5,977

National Guard: 6,140 served: 101 died.

Total draftees (1965 - 73): 1,728,344.

Actually served in Vietnam: 38% Marine Corps Draft: 42,633.

Last man drafted: June 30, 1973.

RACE AND ETHNIC BACKGROUND:

88.4% of the men who actually served in Vietnam were Caucasian; 10.6% (275,000) were black; 1% belonged to other races.

86.3% of the men who died in Vietnam were Caucasian (includes Hispanics);

12.5% (7,241) were black;

1.2% belonged to other races.

170,000 Hispanics served in Vietnam; 3,070 (5.2% of total) died there.

70% of enlisted men killed were of North-west European descent.

86.8% of the men who were killed as a result of hostile action were Caucasian; 12.1% (5,711) were black; 1.1% belonged to other races.

14.6% (1,530) of non-combat deaths were among blacks.

34% of blacks who enlisted volunteered for the combat arms.

Overall, blacks suffered 12.5% of the deaths in Vietnam at a time when the percentage of blacks of military age was 13.5% of the total population.

Religion of Dead: Protestant -- 64.4%; Catholic -- 28.9%; other/none -- 6.7%

SOCIO-ECONOMIC STATUS:

Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than the same non-vet age groups.

Vietnam veterans' personal income exceeds that of our non-veteran age group by more than 18 percent.

76% of the men sent to Vietnam were from lower middle/working class backgrounds.

Three-fourths had family incomes above the poverty level; 50% were from middle income backgrounds.

Some 23% of Vietnam vets had fathers with professional, managerial or technical occupations.

79% of the men who served in Vietnam had a high school education or better when they entered the military service.

63% of Korean War vets and only 45% of WWII vets had completed high school upon separation.

Deaths by region per 100,000 of population: South -- 31%, West --29.9%; Midwest -- 28.4%; Northeast -- 23.5%.

DRUG USAGE & CRIME

There is no difference in drug usage between Vietnam Veterans and non-Vietnam Veterans of the same age group.

(Source: Veterans Administration Study)

Vietnam Veterans are less likely to be in prison - only one-half of one percent of Vietnam Veterans have been jailed for crimes.
85% of Vietnam Veterans made successful transitions to civilian life.

WINNING & LOSING:

82% of veterans who saw heavy combat strongly believe the war was lost because of lack of political will.

Nearly 75% of the public agrees it was a failure of political will, not of arms.

HONORABLE SERVICE:

97% of Vietnam-era veterans were honorably discharged.

91% of actual Vietnam War veterans and 90% of those who saw heavy combat are proud to have served their country.

74% say they would serve again, even knowing the outcome.

87% of the public now holds Vietnam veterans in high esteem. https://www.rugerforum.com/threads/are-you-oneof-the-lucky-ones-only-31-still-alive.238182/

top dog · October-13-22 06:10

O&G,
I guess I am one of the lucky ones. Was there during the early years. My cousin was a POW/MIA (1966) and managed to escape.

They made a movie about him Rescue Dawn and the movie was about 99% true and was not "hollywoodized" He also wrote a book Escape From Laos

Top Dog

pietro · October-13-22 06:10

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That was one heck of a Southeast Asian vacation that our Uncle Sam gave us...........

bearcatter · October-13-22 09:10

I just missed it. I got my card right before we pulled out of Saigon.I've known a lot that went a full hitch or more. Too many of them with medical, physical, or mental issues. The worst one had been in a recon unit, I think they were the first to go into an area? Not the best odds for sure. Any loud noise or a plane going over, he had to hide, shaking and sweating. He couldn't leave the house that way, had to live with his sister. I heard later that he had killed himself.

theysayimnotme · October-13-22 12:10

I was too old to be a Vietnam Era vet. Out for the second time in 1962. I find it strange that Davis was in the Army Security Agency & we never heard anything about it. This site lists his death in 1958 but I looked him up & it says 22 Dec 1961.

top dog · October-14-22 09:10

Theysay,
In all honesty,dates and such do get mixed up.

We have been in Vietnam since WW2 but it wasn't until Aug 5th,1964 that it was an "official conflict"

Top Dog

OLD and GRUMPY · October-14-22 12:10

Turns out this was first posted in 2016-------- Get out your pen and start subtracting.

OLD and GRUMPY · October-14-22 12:10

Quote from: pietro on October-13-22 06:10
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That was one heck of a Southeast Asian vacation that our Uncle Sam gave us...........

Vacation. I am sort of a cave man. I did love Subic bay and Olongapo. https://garlanddavis.net/2018/05/05/olongapo-in-the-60s-and-70s/ Ever ride with a water buffalo? We were late. Going to miss movement. 4 of us jump in a jeepy. Under our feet was a baby Buffalo. Covered in s***. We made it on time.

Uncle_Lee · October-15-22 05:10

I was separated from the Navy in July of 64 after 4 years of active duty. But in January 65 I saw the war coming up and wanted to go back in but had a good life started up so I joined the Reserves and trained them getting them ready for active duty. I stayed in the Reserves until July of 74 and then got out because the war was over and I didn't think they needed me any more.

RogueTS1 · October-17-22 07:10

Believe we were in Kindergarten during the end of Vietnam War.

top dog · October-17-22 09:10

Rogue,
No sweat,you missed one "conflict" but there are always more waiting just around the corner.

A little trivia here........since 1775,how many conflicts,wars,police actions has the US been involved in?

??

230 and counting.

Top Dog

heyjoe · October-17-22 09:10

Quote from: RogueTS1 on October-17-22 07:10
Believe we were in Kindergarten during the end of Vietnam War.

you are still wet behind the ears.

theysayimnotme · October-18-22 01:10

Quote from: top dog on October-17-22 09:10
Rogue,
No sweat,you missed one "conflict" but there are always more waiting just around the corner.

A little trivia here........since 1775,how many conflicts,wars,police actions has the US been involved in???

230 and counting.
Top Dog

Thank you John Kennedy. Before his policy of limited war we had MAD> Mutual assured distruction & were deprived of any more wars. As soon as he made them possible again strangly we started having them.

Canoeal · October-18-22 12:10

As you can see in the present (Ukraine) conflict, it only takes an aggressor to start a war...Hmm...

top dog · October-18-22 14:10

Canoeal,
Put a few politicians into the mess..............you have a real "situation" about to "occur"

Top Dog

Canoeal · October-18-22 16:10

Yep, but if our Pres had the cajones, that war could have been stopped before it started...Now it is a total mess.

top dog · October-22-22 15:10

Canoeal,
I tend to agree with you on that!!!

Top Dog

Rimfire · November-05-22 16:11

By the grace of God my Army service ended just before the VietNam era - I was discharged in April 1963. Instead of that tropical paradise I was forced to spend two whole years in France! Well, somebody had to do it.

theysayimnotme · November-05-22 23:11

You got there just as I was leaving Germany. April 1961. Recalled about 6 months later.

Armybrat · November-06-22 19:11

A couple of months after this photo was taken, my college friend was KIA at Khe Sanh in 1968.
My oldest son is named after him.
RIP Steve.