Who made it?

OLD and GRUMPY · April-19-22 06:04

Do any of you know what Italian company made cap and ball revolvers for Richland Arms in the 1950s? Looking for parts so need the maker. This will be for a 58 Remington. Thanks.

OV-1D · April-19-22 06:04

Its a blank to me ,sorry .

Surculus · April-20-22 18:04

Quote from: OLD and GRUMPY on April-19-22 06:04
Do any of you know what Italian company made cap and ball revolvers for Richland Arms in the 1950s? Looking for parts so need the maker. This will be for a 58 Remington. Thanks.

Uberti or Armi San Marco I should think. Pietta doesn't seem to have gotten into business until the early '60s, from their website.

What part(s), specifically? I'd try contacting Dixie Gun Works & see if they have any idea what might fit...

Best o' luck.

bearcatter · April-20-22 19:04

I Googled a little. Richard Hoagland was a furrier in Blissfield, Michigan. He started Richland in 1960 and they closed in 1983. The Richland name came from the ends of his own name. He imported Spanish made BP shotguns and Italian made cap and ball revolvers. Many of those were kits.

One poster said Pietta and Armi San Marco were the main Richland pistol makers. That narrows it down a little. Did either company make kits? If so and your gun doesn't appear to be a kit, I'd maybe go with the other brand.

OLD and GRUMPY · April-21-22 04:04

Thanks. The guy read the date code wrong. I have not held the gun.He sent better pics. Turns out it's 1976. Pietta. Part ordered.

bearcatter · April-21-22 07:04

Let us know how it shoots! Uncle Lee will want pix!

Midway shows new Pietta for $380. You can see how Ruger used Remington design for the Bearcat, but the small 5 shot 1863 police model.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1002264016/?msclkid=beb25b99c18211ecb9daa7d961ea5cf2

Uncle_Lee · April-21-22 07:04

Yep, so happens that I am having some coffee and needed a good picture.
AHHHHH, much better.
Thanks a bunch.

bearcatter · April-21-22 08:04

Geez, you almost missed it. I was resizing it when you posted. It's a little smaller now. The pic was for your benefit, since nobody had posted one yet.

How about a Bearcat with its great granddaddy?

Uncle_Lee · April-21-22 08:04

Family pictures are so grand.

OLD and GRUMPY · April-21-22 08:04

Thanks. This guy is in another state and posted on GBO black powder page looking for help.Didn't know what they are or why no go bang. He was given 2. Other is a colt of some sort. Cylinder would not turn. Being old with NOTHING to do but play Barbies with the 7 year old and jack my jaw with you guys I jumped in. Trigger/bolt spring broke. Call Taylors. Solved. Now for my mess.

bearcatter · April-21-22 08:04

I know many considered Remington a better design than Colt. Fewer moving parts, better barrel attachment, and better grips.

OLD and GRUMPY · April-21-22 09:04

Quote from: bearcatter on April-21-22 08:04
Geez, you almost missed it. I was resizing it when you posted. It's a little smaller now. The pic was for your benefit, since nobody had posted one yet.

How about a Bearcat with its great granddaddy?

Can you give us some info on Great Grandpa ? Pics of any marks? She (sorry he) is NOT PIetta or Uberti unless Grandma beat him around the head. (every scratch/mark/dent is a story) Don't know what that story is BUT we can dream.

OLD and GRUMPY · April-21-22 09:04

Remington worked for Colt. 1857 the patent ran out. 1858- Remington now on his own put out the New Army. I think?

bearcatter · April-21-22 10:04

Quote from: OLD and GRUMPY on April-21-22 09:04
Can you give us some info on Great Grandpa ? Pics of any marks? She (sorry he) is NOT PIetta or Uberti unless Grandma beat him around the head. (every scratch/mark/dent is a story) Don't know what that story is BUT we can dream.

I bummed the photo from Gunblast. The old gun is a real 1863 Remington Police. There used to be a great article on them, I can't find it. I had saved some of the info. They were 5 shot, .36 percussion caliber. Came in four barrel lengths from 3.5 to 6.5 inches. Remington made 18,000 of them between 1863 and 1888. From 1873 on, most were made with a factory conversion to .38 rimfire.
I've seen a lot of them for sale, some in nice shape, but in the $1000 up range. No modern copies.
Pietta makes the similar Pocket model. Smaller .31 caliber, with a spur trigger. Option of steel or brass frame. http://piettausa.com/1863-Pocket_c_21.html

LHB · April-21-22 23:04

Remember an article in "Gun Digest" the year the Bearcat came out, and Ruger said he copied the Remington, with a dash of Colt thrown in.

Surculus · April-22-22 15:04

Quote from: OLD and GRUMPY on April-21-22 04:04
Thanks. The guy read the date code wrong. I have not held the gun.He sent better pics. Turns out it's 1976. Pietta. Part ordered.

It will almost certainly require hand fitting for that era Pietta. In the '00s the son? grandson? took over and made a lot of equipment upgrades to CNC machinery; I forget when exactly, but old inventory was essentially cleared out by 2010 and the difference between old & new Piettas from around that time is marked; the old ones basically were a "kit" that you needed to give a final finish to the internals if you wanted reliable operation, while the newer ones ran right out of the box. External cosmetics were about equal btw the two eras. Still, they can all use some minor fettling, since the place they save the mo$t money in manufacture is by eliminating as much human manipulation as possible [robots work cheeeap!] Any parts you order these days are going to be from the CNC era production, while the '76 product would have required hand fitment for any/all lockwork. But who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and the CNC part will turn out to be a great fit out of the box? That would be sweet...